Can't open attachments in Windows Mail after message is sent

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PA Bear [MS MVP]

My personal recommendations include:

=> Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!! =>
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx

NB: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it. When you're prepared
to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.

NB: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it. When you're prepared
to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and select "Run as
Administator.

=> Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows Live)
and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.

=> Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon) before
installing or uninstalling IE8.

=> I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application and any
anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than Defender's)
before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're running a
third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then enabling the
Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade.

=> Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT use
System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore Point prior to
reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will need to see
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]

=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8, then check-in at
Windows Update and install any critical security updates offered.

=> For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your anti-virus
application version, any anti-spyware applications (other than Defender),
and your third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 before you
decide install it.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
Hi PA

Done that. Uninstalled McAfee completely and got the message "Clean Up
Successful".

So, basically I have done everything that you advised: Disbled scanning of
outgoing and incoming mails from Trend Micro, disabled the Anti-Spam
filter
from TMIS, and removed McAfee completely.

Is IE8 worth reinstalling now from the Update icon? Having said that, will
viewing DOC attachments from the Sent folder be possible now AFTER sending
the email?

Dave



PA Bear said:
My apologies: I neglected to include a link to the McAfee tool in my
previous post.

1. Download the McAfee Consumer Products Removal too, saving it to your
desktop: http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=TS100507 (ignore
Steps #1 and #3)

2. Close all open applications (i.e., anything with an icon on the
taskbar).

3. Right-click on the file you saved in #1 above (i.e., MCPR.EXE) &
select
Run as Administrator. Don't touch your keyboard until the run completes,
then reboot twice.
--
~PA Bear

Hi PA

Thanks.

Yeah, I have disabled both email scanning (outgoing and incoming) and
also
the Anti-Spam filter from Trend Micro.

However, I am not sure whether McAfee has been fully uninstalled from my
system. I typed in McAfee Products Consumer Removal Tool in the address
bar
and that opened a whole lot of options but what I gathered from there is
that I have to first activate my McAfee subscription before uninstalling
it. How do I do that? McAfee came preinstalled in my Dell computer and
if
I
reinstall the original CD that will put the computer back to the
original
factory settings and I will lose all the updates for everything that is
there for over one year now.

Dave

...I was a bit apprehensive about turning off the
scanning for both outgoing and incoming mails

Nonsense. Even Symantec says email scanning's not necessary:

<QP>
Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses
that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
Auto-Protect
scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
email
and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum
protection,
keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
you
have the most recent virus definitions.
</QP>
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106

Why you don't need your anti-virus to scan your email
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm

=> I still would strongly recommend disabling email scanning and TM
Anti-Spam, as well as downloading/running the McAfee removal tool!

...Do you think Microsoft has now
addressed the issue and come out with a more recent update of IE8?

No, but I believe MS is taking a new tack with the release of IE8: The
version of IE8 made available on & after 23 Jun-09 includes the fixes
in
MS09-019/KB969897 (released earlier in June). The version you
installed
in
April included the fixes in MS09-014/KB963027 (released earlier in
April).

[In case you're wondering, MS09-019/KB969897 supersedes
MS09-014/KB963027.]

When you upgrade WinXP to IE7, you install one (1) version of it, then
Windows Update offers the most-recent Cumulative Security Update for IE
upon reboot.



Dave wrote:
Hi PA

Thanks for all the help. I was a bit apprehensive about turning off
the
scanning for both outgoing and incoming mails (particularly the
incoming
mails), as my kids also use my computer. They are small and might
forget
the
security procedure of first transferring the file to the desktop and
then
scanning it there with the antivirus program. In such a case my
computer
would be at a grave risk.

I therefore took Gary VanderMolen's advice, uninstalled IE8 and have
now
reverted back to IE7. All the problems have disappeared now and things
are
fine as before. I sent myself a test email with a DOC attachment and I
can
now open the attachment both in the Sent folder and also in my Inbox -
something that I was unable to do when I followed your instructions
yesterday when I had IE8.

I would like to share an interesting piece of information: As soon as
I
uninstalled IE8 and went back to IE7 I received an update message
saying
IE8
was available for download. The date of publication of the update is
given
as 23 June 2009. I had previously installed IE8 on 24 April. The
publication
date of the IE8 update NOW is 23 JUNE 2009. Do you think Microsoft has
now
addressed the issue and come out with a more recent update of IE8?

:

4) My anti-virus program is configured to scan both outgoing and
incoming
mail.

Disable this feature, please. It may be causing the problem and it's
a
redundant function:

Why you don't need your anti-virus to scan your email
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm

OT Tip: Also disable the Anti-Spam component of TMIS (Trend Micro
Internet
Security). Windows Mail does NOT play nice with such anti-spam
applications.


7) I have Trend Micro Internet Security Pro 2009 antivirus program
installed
in my computer. It is current and the licence is going to expire in
May
next
year. I am not sure whether it is supported in Internet Explorer 8.

When IE8 was released on 19 March 2009, no version of TMIS or any
other
Trend Micro application was supported in IE8. IIRC, a recent TMIS
update
(or possibly a v2009 engine upgrade) addressed this. Independent of
your
very specific attachment problem, contant TM Support and make sure
you're
running the most-recent version of TMIS 2009 Pro.

8) I am NOT SURE if Trend Micro was active when I installed IE8 (I
do
not
remember).

Although all TMIS components should have been disabled prior to
installing
IE8, your answers suggest that this has nothing to do with your very
specific attachment problem.

9) Yes, a McAfee trial version was on this computer when I bought it
last
year. The trial version was for 30 days but I uninstalled it before
the
30
day trial period ran out before installing Trend Micro Internet
Security
Pro
2008.

However, the above may have something to do with your problem: McAfee
(and
Norton) applications are notorious for not uninstalling "cleanly."
If
you've not done so already:

1. Download the McAfee Consumer Products Removal too, saving it to
your
desktop.

2. Close all open applications (i.e., anything with an icon on the
taskbar).

3. Right-click on the file you saved in #1 above (i.e., MCPR.EXE) &
select
Run as Administrator. Don't touch your keyboard until the run
completes,
then reboot twice.

SUMMARY: Disable TMIS email scanning (and anti-spam), download/run
the
McAfee removal tool, & see if the behavior persists afterward.

--
~PA Bear


Dave wrote:
Hi

Thanks for your response.

To answer your questions one by one:

1) This behaviour is occurring in Windows Mail Sent Items folder
(not
Outlook) since Windows Mail is my default mail client. (I do have
Outlook
in
my computer which automatically got installed when I installed
Office
2007
but I have not activated Outlook. It must be lurking somewhere in
the
background waiting to be activated).

2) I saved my CV (a Doc file) on my hard drive. Then I opened
Windows
Mail,
went to Create Mail, clicked on the Atachment icon, browsed for my
CV
in
my
hard drive, and clicked on the file. It automatically got attached
on
the
New Message that I was creating on Create Mail.

3) This problem has started after I had installed IE8.

4) My anti-virus program is configured to scan both outgoing and
incoming
mail.

5) Yes, I am able to open all attachments that others send me.

6) This is something I did not think about before but I tried it on
myself
just now. I sent myself an email with a DOC attachment, and then
another
email with a Plain Text attachment. Same result in both cases. I am
unable
to view the attachments in my Inbox after receiving the emails,
although
I
was able to view both the attachments before I sent them to myself.

7) I have Trend Micro Internet Security Pro 2009 antivirus program
installed
in my computer. It is current and the licence is going to expire in
May
next
year. I am not sure whether it is supported in Internet Explorer 8.
Windows
Defender is inactivated (Trend Micro has done that to avoid
conflicts).
I
do
not have any third-party firewall. (Trend Micro's firewall is the
only
one
that I am using).

8) I am NOT SURE if Trend Micro was active when I installed IE8 (I
do
not
remember).

9) Yes, a McAfee trial version was on this computer when I bought it
last
year. The trial version was for 30 days but I uninstalled it before
the
30
day trial period ran out before installing Trend Micro Internet
Security
Pro
2008.

I hope that answere all your questions.

PA Bear wrote:
Since you mention Office 2007 in your post(s), please confirm that
you're
seeing this behavior when opening your copy of the message in
Windows
Mail's (not Outlook's) Sent Items folder.

I made my CV on Office 2007 and attached it to the email on
Windows
Mail.

Did you use Word's "Send a copy to" or "Send to" function to send
the
email
or did you save the CV (a DOC file, I assume) to your hard-drive
and
then
attach it to a New Message?

When did you first encounter this behavior (e.g., immediately after
you
installed IE8)?

Is your anti-virus application (see below) configured to scan
outgoing
and
incoming mail?

Are you able to open any/all attachments someone else has sent to
you?

If you send yourself an email with a DOC attachment, can you open
it
after
it arrives in your inbox?

What anti-virus application or security suite is installed, is your
subscription current, and is it supported in IE8? What
anti-spyware
applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall (if
any)?
Were any of these applications running in the background when you
installed
 
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Rainald Taesler

Sam said:
I also have problems with attachments that people are having with
Windows Mail and IE 8.

I also installed IE 8 before it was released; that is, I installed a
beta version of IE 8. I had so many problems that I uninstalled it
but one problem continued to occur after I reverted back to IE 7.
Fortunately when IE was released the problems went away. Except
apparently I encountered the problem with attachments. I did not
notice it as a problem until I read many messages here reporting the
problem. I don't get enough attachments to be concerned but I am
interested in diagnosing the problem if it helps others. The point I
am getting to is that installation of an early version of IE 8 might
be the cause for those of us that have the problem. Probably not,
since there seem to be too many people that did not install IE 8
early but it might a partial explanation.

I can not say anything about an "early" version (beta or so).
I only installed IE8 when the final was offered for download.

And I have meanwhile made several new Vista installs from scratch (in my
test machine as well as my main working computer. And I installed the
latest version of IE available for download. In all cases without any
"security" software ever having been installed in the machines.

So I'm pretty sure that an "early" version is not a part of the game.

Rainald
 
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Rainald Taesler

Dave said:
Thanks once again. I will contact the Microsoft office tomorrow and
find out if they have been able to overcome the problem with IE8.

Pls keep us informed on the reaction of MS.

TIA
Rainald
 
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Dave

Hi Rainald

Spoke to Microsoft about issues relating to IE8. They feigned ignorance
about any problems with IE8 until I told them to go Microsoft Communities and
read all the posts that are there.

The Microsoft person then said that she would pass on my complaint to her
manager. Probably it might be their routine way of dismissing me off.

I will follow it up after a day or two.

Regards

Dave
 
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Rainald Taesler

Dave said:
Spoke to Microsoft about issues relating to IE8. They feigned
ignorance about any problems with IE8 until I told them to go
Microsoft Communities and read all the posts that are there.

The Microsoft person then said that she would pass on my complaint to
her manager. Probably it might be their routine way of dismissing me
off.

I will follow it up after a day or two.

Thank you so much for your efforts!

We can only hope that someday the issue if this bug may be escalated
high enough.

Maybe OneNote the end we will receive a reply if the sort Gary fears to
receive (MS won't care because WinMail has been deprecated).
But even that would at least be an answer!

Thanks again
Rainald
 

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