CANON PREVIEW BLUER THAN PS IMAGE

[Colin D]

I'm having a bit of trouble with my printer software, and don't quite
know where to look for the solution. The printer is a Canon i9950 -
same as the i9900 but with the CD printing option.

The image was shot with a 300D, RAW, set for Adobe 1998 color space,
imported into PS as Adobe 1998 and color-balanced etc, then printed on
the i9950. However, print preview shows the image as bluer than the PS
image, and it prints bluer on paper. The print is a good match for the
preview image, but not the PS image.

Any ideas welcome.

Colin D.

 

[Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)]

I'm having a bit of trouble with my printer software, and don't quite
know where to look for the solution. The printer is a Canon i9950 -
same as the i9900 but with the CD printing option.

The image was shot with a 300D, RAW, set for Adobe 1998 color space,
imported into PS as Adobe 1998 and color-balanced etc, then printed on
the i9950. However, print preview shows the image as bluer than the PS
image, and it prints bluer on paper. The print is a good match for the
preview image, but not the PS image.

How have you calibrated your monitor?

 

[Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)]

I'm having a bit of trouble with my printer software, and don't quite
know where to look for the solution. The printer is a Canon i9950 -
same as the i9900 but with the CD printing option.

The image was shot with a 300D, RAW, set for Adobe 1998 color space,
imported into PS as Adobe 1998 and color-balanced etc, then printed on
the i9950. However, print preview shows the image as bluer than the PS
image, and it prints bluer on paper. The print is a good match for the
preview image, but not the PS image.

How have you calibrated your monitor? How is color management set in PS and
or the printer driver and are you using the proper profile for the
ink/paper combination you are printing to?

 

[Jon O'Brien]

I'm having a bit of trouble with my printer software...

When you say that the image is:

...imported into PS as Adobe 1998 and color-balanced etc...

what do you mean? If you are altering any of the colours, this may be the
source of the problem, especially if your monitor hasn't been calibrated.

Also, you don't mention whether or not you are using a colour profile for
your printer/paper combination or, if you are, how you are applying it.
This may help track down the problem.

Jon.

 

[measekite]

I'm having a bit of trouble with my printer software, and don't quite
know where to look for the solution. The printer is a Canon i9950 -
same as the i9900 but with the CD printing option.

THE BEST PLACE TO START IS CANON TECH SUPPORT. THEY KNOW THE SOFTWARE
BETTER THAN ANYONE HERE.

The image was shot with a 300D, RAW, set for Adobe 1998 color space,
imported into PS as Adobe 1998 and color-balanced etc, then printed on
the i9950. However, print preview shows the image as bluer than the PS
image, and it prints bluer on paper.

I HOPE YOU ARE USING CANON OEM INK

 

[Colin D]

How have you calibrated your monitor?

The monitor self-calibrates for sRGB, and it's not too far from aRGB,
given the gamut of crt monitors. But I don't think the monitor is the
problem, since the print preview obviously is displayed on the same
monitor, but the color difference is visible between the PS image and
the preview image. I would have thought that the preview would look the
same as the PS image.

Aah, perhaps the PS image is wrong, and maybe the preview image doesn't
use the PS settings. I gotta do some more reading. Thanks for the
reply.

Colin D.

 

[Colin D]

THE BEST PLACE TO START IS CANON TECH SUPPORT. THEY KNOW THE SOFTWARE
BETTER THAN ANYONE HERE.

I HOPE YOU ARE USING CANON OEM INK

Yep, bci-6 inks only here.

 

[Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)]

The monitor self-calibrates for sRGB, and it's not too far from aRGB,
given the gamut of crt monitors. But I don't think the monitor is the
problem, since the print preview obviously is displayed on the same
monitor, but the color difference is visible between the PS image and
the preview image. I would have thought that the preview would look the
same as the PS image.

Aah, perhaps the PS image is wrong, and maybe the preview image doesn't
use the PS settings. I gotta do some more reading. Thanks for the
reply.

First you have to look at how color management is set in PS. Sounds like
you have set the working color space to AdobeRGB. So when PS displays the
image it is using the embedded profile to show the image. I don't use PS,
does it have soft-proofing option to show how the print should look
including the chosen paper profile? How about the Canon driver? You want to
be careful NOT to set up both to use color management during the printing
process.

FWIW, setting the camera to this has no bearing when you shoot raw, only
jpeg.

 

[measekite]

IF YOU ARE USING GENERIC INK THAT MIGHT BE THE PROBLEM. OEM INK IS
DESIGNED FOR THE PRINTER BY THE PRINTER MFG.

 

[measekite]

measekite wrote:



Yep, bci-6 inks only here.

THATS GREAT. LIKE I SAID CANON TECH SUPPORT IS VERY GOOD. IF LEVEL ONE
DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM THEN ASK FOR LEVEL TWO

 

[Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)]

I'm having a bit of trouble with my printer software, and don't quite
know where to look for the solution. The printer is a Canon i9950 -
same as the i9900 but with the CD printing option.

The image was shot with a 300D, RAW, set for Adobe 1998 color space,
imported into PS as Adobe 1998 and color-balanced etc, then printed on
the i9950. However, print preview shows the image as bluer than the PS
image, and it prints bluer on paper. The print is a good match for the
preview image, but not the PS image.

What application are you printing from?

 

[Jon O'Brien]

(e-mail address removed) (measekite the one-trick pony) suggested something
inane (again):

A new form of madness from the madness-meister himself. Now third-party
inks can affect your print *previews* as well as mess up your printer!

You couldn't make this stuff up.

Jon.

 

[Frank]

(e-mail address removed) (measekite the one-trick pony) suggested something
inane (again):

A new form of madness from the madness-meister himself. Now third-party
inks can affect your print *previews* as well as mess up your printer!

You couldn't make this stuff up.

Jon.

hehehehe...he does!
Frank

 

[Colin D]

What application are you printing from?

PS = Photoshop 6.

Colin D.

 

[Frank]

I'm having a bit of trouble with my printer software, and don't quite
know where to look for the solution. The printer is a Canon i9950 -
same as the i9900 but with the CD printing option.

The image was shot with a 300D, RAW, set for Adobe 1998 color space,
imported into PS as Adobe 1998 and color-balanced etc, then printed on
the i9950. However, print preview shows the image as bluer than the PS
image, and it prints bluer on paper. The print is a good match for the
preview image, but not the PS image.

Any ideas welcome.

Colin D.

It almost sounds as if you're trying to print using two different icc
profiles. One from the software, PS 6 and the other from the printer,
the i9900.
Check and see and if you are turn off one of them.
Frank

 

[Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)]

PS = Photoshop 6.

OK, so how is color management setup in PS? Additionally are you choosing
to use ICC profiles in the driver? You should use ICC profiles for the
paper/ink combo in one or the other, but not both.

 

[Colin D]

OK, so how is color management setup in PS? Additionally are you choosing
to use ICC profiles in the driver? You should use ICC profiles for the
paper/ink combo in one or the other, but not both.

This is getting close to my knowledge limits (hence the original query),
but as I understand it, when you load the image into PS, it gives you
the choice of what color space you want to use, of if the image has an
embedded color space PS uses that. Then, when you select the paper type
within the i9950 print setup, that action supplies the icc profile for
that paper/printer combo. Then in the printer dialog box, I set the
printer to 'use printer management', although there is a plethora of
options there. I tried setting the printer to aRGB as the image is
recognised by the printer dialog as aRGB, then I tried setting it to
'same as source' with no improvement. Here I'm out of my depth. Why,
if the paper choice sets the profile, are there numerous options in the
printer dialog? Beats me. Searching the web hasn't found a lot of
information about this topic either.

Colin D.

 

[me]

This is getting close to my knowledge limits (hence the original query),
but as I understand it, when you load the image into PS, it gives you
the choice of what color space you want to use, of if the image has an
embedded color space PS uses that. Then, when you select the paper type
within the i9950 print setup, that action supplies the icc profile for
that paper/printer combo. Then in the printer dialog box, I set the
printer to 'use printer management', although there is a plethora of
options there. I tried setting the printer to aRGB as the image is
recognised by the printer dialog as aRGB, then I tried setting it to
'same as source' with no improvement. Here I'm out of my depth. Why,
if the paper choice sets the profile, are there numerous options in the
printer dialog? Beats me. Searching the web hasn't found a lot of
information about this topic either.

You are doing something with PS to control the colour setup, and then
you are telling the printer to do something with the colour setup, what
happens if tell the printer to do nothing, or tell PS to do nothing?

 

[Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)]

This is getting close to my knowledge limits (hence the original query),
but as I understand it, when you load the image into PS, it gives you
the choice of what color space you want to use, of if the image has an
embedded color space PS uses that. Then, when you select the paper type
within the i9950 print setup, that action supplies the icc profile for
that paper/printer combo. Then in the printer dialog box, I set the
printer to 'use printer management', although there is a plethora of
options there. I tried setting the printer to aRGB as the image is
recognised by the printer dialog as aRGB, then I tried setting it to
'same as source' with no improvement. Here I'm out of my depth. Why,
if the paper choice sets the profile, are there numerous options in the
printer dialog? Beats me. Searching the web hasn't found a lot of
information about this topic either.

If pS is all ready applying the icc you do NOT want to set the printer
itself to use color management in the driver dialog box. This will have two
programs (PS and the driver) applying the profile.
Other than this as I'm not a PS user and use PSelements only to edit, I
print through Qimage, I'm not sure I follow you well enough to help. I
would suggest you post to rec.photo.digital as there are numerous PS users
over they knowable in color management.