CANON ip5200 prints wrong colors

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tachyon

hey there. Just bought a PIXMA 5200 and although it's quite impressive
in terms of speed and image res, it gives me trouble with the photo colors.

Photos taken with either a NIKON D70s or a CANON Powershot A80 with
proper white balance settings appear yellowish when printed, either
through canon's photo app, or through photoshop. (The photos appear fine
on my laptop monitor.)

That happens when I use canon's photo paper pro, that came with the
printer. When I use generic glossy paper the photos have a magenta hue...

Any ideas? Anyone else has come across this problem?
 
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Tesco News

hey there. Just bought a PIXMA 5200 and although it's quite impressive
in terms of speed and image res, it gives me trouble with the photo
colors.

Photos taken with either a NIKON D70s or a CANON Powershot A80 with
proper white balance settings appear yellowish when printed, either
through canon's photo app, or through photoshop. (The photos appear fine
on my laptop monitor.)

That happens when I use canon's photo paper pro, that came with the
printer. When I use generic glossy paper the photos have a magenta hue...

Any ideas? Anyone else has come across this problem?


Sounds very like you need to get your screen Calibrated, so that it shows
the correct colours. The bad news is that needs to be done commercially for
Flat Panels, or you need to buy a Hardware device like an "Eye One"

It could also be that you are Double Profiling, once in Photoshop and again
in the Printer.

Have a read about Colour Management, in Ps Help Files, or at
www.digital-darkroom.com

Roy G
 
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CR Optiker

hey there. Just bought a PIXMA 5200 and although it's quite impressive
in terms of speed and image res, it gives me trouble with the photo colors.

Photos taken with either a NIKON D70s or a CANON Powershot A80 with
proper white balance settings appear yellowish when printed, either
through canon's photo app, or through photoshop. (The photos appear fine
on my laptop monitor.)

That happens when I use canon's photo paper pro, that came with the
printer. When I use generic glossy paper the photos have a magenta hue...

Any ideas? Anyone else has come across this problem?

I also had that kind of problem, except my camera is a Minolta DiMage A-1,
and I did most of my printing fom IrfanView on Staples matter paper, after
perocessing using The Gimp. What I found was that I didn't really
understand the printer's print application, and was inadvertently reverting
back to the default profile when I was expecting the custom profile I had
set up. This resulted in a plain paper profile instead of the photo paper
profile. There were other issues, but that seemed to solve my problem.

I assume you're a lot smarter than I am and didn'tmake the same dumb
mistake! Actually, I'm learning. After years of low-end HP printers, this
is my first Canon, and my first photo printer, so I am having to learn a
lot. In general, I'm pleased.

The other post is quite correct in that fidelity between what you see on
the screen and what comes out the printer is a highly technical calibration
process. There are several transfer functions involved, to say nothing of
any tweaks you might have introduced yourself. There's hardly any
substitute for test prints - even at $1+/sheet paper when you want a
quality print - and tweaking the settings.

Optiker
 
M

measekite

CR said:
I also had that kind of problem, except my camera is a Minolta DiMage A-1,
and I did most of my printing fom IrfanView on Staples matter paper, after
perocessing using The Gimp. What I found was that I didn't really
understand the printer's print application, and was inadvertently reverting
back to the default profile when I was expecting the custom profile I had
set up. This resulted in a plain paper profile instead of the photo paper
profile. There were other issues, but that seemed to solve my problem.

I assume you're a lot smarter than I am
MAYBE

and didn'tmake the same dumb
mistake! Actually, I'm learning. After years of low-end HP printers, this
is my first Canon, and my first photo printer, so I am having to learn a
lot. In general, I'm pleased.

The other post is quite correct in that fidelity between what you see on
the screen and what comes out the printer is a highly technical calibration
process. There are several transfer functions involved, to say nothing of
any tweaks you might have introduced yourself. There's hardly any
substitute for test prints - even at $1+/sheet paper when you want a
quality print - and tweaking the settings.

Optiker
 
B

bmoag

Oy.
Please read about color management and buy a calibrating device.This will
run around $100 minimum.
Although a laptop is the absolute worst choice you could make for color
managed printing you can calibrate the screen with a Spyder or Monaco
device. If you learn to use color management in Photoshop your results can
improve tremendously.
Your other problem is that you are using a Canon printer.
Canon has significant problems with color management in their drivers but
with patience you can learn to live with them. However you will have to
E-mail Canon for instructions on how to use Photoshop based color management
with their printers, unless they are finally posting these instructions on
the Canon web site.
With Canon printers you are limited to the three paper surfaces they
manufacture and provide profiles for, and they are none too wonderful.
Hence you can go even further and buy something like the Monaco Optix system
to create usable custom paper printer profiles.
However by that point you may be better off tossing the Canon and buying an
Epson printer.
 
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Tesco News

I also had that kind of problem, except my camera is a Minolta DiMage A-1,
and I did most of my printing fom IrfanView on Staples matter paper, after
perocessing using The Gimp. What I found was that I didn't really
understand the printer's print application, and was inadvertently
reverting
back to the default profile when I was expecting the custom profile I had
set up. This resulted in a plain paper profile instead of the photo paper
profile. There were other issues, but that seemed to solve my problem.

I assume you're a lot smarter than I am and didn'tmake the same dumb
mistake! Actually, I'm learning. After years of low-end HP printers, this
is my first Canon, and my first photo printer, so I am having to learn a
lot. In general, I'm pleased.

The other post is quite correct in that fidelity between what you see on
the screen and what comes out the printer is a highly technical
calibration
process. There are several transfer functions involved, to say nothing of
any tweaks you might have introduced yourself. There's hardly any
substitute for test prints - even at $1+/sheet paper when you want a
quality print - and tweaking the settings.

Optiker


Hi. I really don't understand your reply to "tachyon".

Irfan View does not Colour Manage, and does not make any use of ICC
Profiles.
There is no mention anywhere in its Print Dialogue of anything that even
remotely looks like CM.
Indeed I have found that any images processed in I.V. have their tagged
profiles removed.

Properly set up Colour Management and a Calibrated Monitor, will remove the
need for Test Prints, and will very largely provide
W.Y.S.I.W.Y.G. Test Prints are a very expensive route to getting correct
Colour Prints.

Roy G
 
M

measekite

bmoag said:
Oy.
Please read about color management and buy a calibrating device.This will
run around $100 minimum.
Although a laptop is the absolute worst choice you could make for color
managed printing you can calibrate the screen with a Spyder or Monaco
device. If you learn to use color management in Photoshop your results can
improve tremendously.
Your other problem is that you are using a Canon printer.
Canon has significant problems with color management in their drivers but
with patience you can learn to live with them. However you will have to
E-mail Canon for instructions on how to use Photoshop based color management
with their printers, unless they are finally posting these instructions on
the Canon web site.
With Canon printers you are limited to the three paper surfaces they
manufacture
DOES FINE WITH EPSON PAPERS AS PER CANON TECH SUPPORT AND IT SEAMS THEY
WERE CORRECT.
and provide profiles for, and they are none too wonderful.
Hence you can go even further and buy something like the Monaco Optix system
to create usable custom paper printer profiles.
However by that point you may be better off tossing the Canon and buying an
Epson printer.
NEVER CHOOSE EPSON OVER CANON. THE RESULTS ARE NOT AS GOOD.
 
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CR Optiker

Hi. I really don't understand your reply to "tachyon".

Not surprising...you're obviously a professional, or an advanced amateur,
or very meticulous and dedicated to precise color management. Perhaps the
disconnect is in the difference between a casual user who occasionally
prints photos and somebody who is dedicated to optimum quality. For
purposwes of this thread, I guess I'm just a casual user.

I thought the original post sounded a lot like my own experience and
desired level of concern over color fidelity. I tried to answer from my own
experience at a level consistent with what I thought was needed. Perhaps I
shot too low.

Your answer was at the opposite end of the spectrum, so perhaps between us
we bracketed the problem reasonably well, not knowing the exact level of
expectations of the original poster.

Incidentally, professionally, I'm a digital imaging scientist. I choose to
not impose the same level of precision in my casual, personal digital
imaging activities at home as I do at work.
Irfan View does not Colour Manage, and does not make any use of ICC
Profiles.
There is no mention anywhere in its Print Dialogue of anything that even
remotely looks like CM.
Indeed I have found that any images processed in I.V. have their tagged
profiles removed.

Correct - I don't believe I said IV provides any color management. It is,
however, for my purposes, an adequate printing partner to The Gimp, whose
printing functions are pretty universally agreed to be inadequate.
Properly set up Colour Management and a Calibrated Monitor, will remove the
need for Test Prints, and will very largely provide
W.Y.S.I.W.Y.G.

Undoubtedly true, but probably overkill for the casual user for whom photo
printing represents a relatively small pecentage fo printer usage, and for
which those prints need not be at a professional level.
Test Prints are a very expensive route to getting correct
Colour Prints.

In comparison to the cost and effort needed to maintain a color management
system based on color calibration throughout, that certainly depends on the
volume of photo printing requiring precise color management. There are apps
that provide "test strip" - like arrays with two parameter variation that
might be more useful. I do understand that selecting color balance by
looking at a small printed image does not give the same visual result as
looking at the same full-size print. Nevertheless, for all but very
critical prints, it is adequate to my needs.

Personally, my experience so far is that - with a few exceptions - my
prints have met my expectations using mostly the default settings with
little or no image color balance tweaking.

I'd love to have a calibrated system that would guarantee my prints would
match what I see on the display, but I can't justify the cost and effort
needed to achieve the level of convenience and precision that I'd expect.

More power to you if you do it the right way and achieve the
correspondingly opimum prints. It's not for me, for my home system.

Optiker
 

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