Canon Ink Level Chips

[Ron in NY]

Hi All,

I have 2 new Canon printers---the MP-600 and the MP-830. If I refill the
carts before they actually get low enough to give me the "low ink or out of ink"
message, will the chips be reset to full, or is the only way to reset the ink
level, to install a new OEM Canon cart ???


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[measekite]

Hi All,

I have 2 new Canon printers---the MP-600 and the MP-830. If I refill the
carts before they actually get low enough to give me the "low ink or out of ink"
message, will the chips be reset to full, or is the only way to reset the ink
level, to install a new OEM Canon cart ???

The only to achieve true
Canon performance is to use quality Canon ink

 

[Anon bozo]

The only to achieve true

Canon performance is to use quality Canon ink

True as that statement may be, it's not an answer to his question.

 

[Frank]

True as that statement may be, it's not an answer to his question.

He NEVER answers anyone cause he knows nothing about anything.
He is our resident idiot who also just happens to be a complete MORON!
Frank

 

[tigerwan]

Ron


Atlantic Inkjet will be getting recycled CLI8 and PG5 cartridges in
stock this week. The chips are reset, and all functions of the OEM are
intact. Unfortunately there is no reset for the end user available as
of yet, and Atlantic Inkjet is the first to offer this fix. I'm sure a
chip resetter isn't far behind for the end user to puchase, to do it
themselves.

 

[measekite]

Nobody has been able to duplicate the new Canon CLI8 patented inks. So
now the find used carts, reset them and then put what ever ink they are
selling. I am sure they will not tell you they have duplicated Canon
ink. Canon would not like that.

 

[Taliesyn]

Nobody has been able to duplicate the new Canon CLI8 patented inks.

The inks are NOT patented; only the chip is patented, thus it cannot
be reproduced. Atlanticinkjet has already been selling the CLI8 inks for
home refilling for about 2 years now, I believe.

So
now the find used carts, reset them and then put what ever ink they are
selling. I am sure they will not tell you they have duplicated Canon
ink. Canon would not like that.

No, Measekite would not like that. Canon doesn't give a . . .

Canon, and every other printer maker, knows that workarounds, for just
about anything, are the norm in the electronic/software business.

Good for atlanticinkjet.com! I think I'll consider donating some of my
older printers and buying an iP4300 or iP5300 since they come with
CD/DVD printing trays now - in Canada. Apparently those of you in the US
will have to suffer without or simply buy the trays online, like I did
with my iP4000 and 5000.

-Taliesyn

 

[measekite]

The inks are NOT patented; only the chip is patented, thus it cannot
be reproduced. Atlanticinkjet has already been selling the CLI8 inks
for home refilling for about 2 years now, I believe.

Thats what you think. Canon patented the formulae. Anybody can make
claims but nobody can duplicated the ink. See if anybody says that they
duplicated the CL8 ink in writing. You will not find it.

No, Measekite would not like that. Canon doesn't give a . . .

Canon, and every other printer maker, knows that workarounds, for just
about anything, are the norm in the electronic/software business.

Good for atlanticinkjet.com! I think I'll consider donating some of my
older printers and buying an iP4300 or iP5300 since they come with
CD/DVD printing trays now - in Canada. Apparently those of you in the US
will have to suffer without or simply buy the trays online, like I did
with my iP4000 and 5000.

There are many who do not give a crap about CD printing. Many are
interested in photos. You are interested in term papers for your high
school.

 

[Taliesyn]

Thats what you think. Canon patented the formulae. Anybody can make
claims but nobody can duplicated the ink. See if anybody says that they
duplicated the CL8 ink in writing. You will not find it.

The ink is not patented and no one has claimed to be making it to
Canon's formula.

There are many who do not give a crap about CD printing.

Obviously, you're only speaking of your narrow minded needs and point of
view. Note there are also many who don't give a crap about photo printing.

Myself, I am very creative, I do it all. I need a printer that can also
do it all - including CD/DVD printing. Cost of ink is never a factor as
it costs me only about $5 to fill a set of 5 cartridges with inks from
HobbiColors and Atlanticinkjet. I have total freedom to print anything
of any size. The cost of inks should be no more than about 1/20th the
printer price. If they're not, you're paying too much for your inks. At
last check OEM inks were about 3/4 the basic printer price. Good grief!
You might as well just buy a new printer each time and get a free set of
carts!!!!

-Taliesyn

 

[measekite]

The ink is not patented and no one has claimed to be making it to
Canon's formula.

That is because they do not know how. So anything else you put in a
modern CLI8 Canon printer makes it no longer a Canon result.

Obviously, you're only speaking of your narrow minded needs and point
of view. Note there are also many who don't give a crap about photo
printing.

I know that it takes brains to realize that Canon sold millions of
printers in the USA that do not have CD capability. Those people do not
place much emphasis on CD printing otherwise they would have bought an
Epson for that feature. Thererfore there are many who do not give a
crap about CD printing.

Myself, I am very creative,

If you were creative you would want to make sure you get the longest
lasting highest quality photo results that can only be obtained by using
OEM ink. If you goal is quality then you do not talk about cost. What
you are doing is making a compromise but do not want to admit it. You
are will to spend less (kids cannot afford that much) and accept the
results that you get.

 

[Taliesyn]

That is because they do not know how. So anything else you put in a
modern CLI8 Canon printer makes it no longer a Canon result.

Don't change your story. The ink is not patented. Period.

-Taliesyn

 

[TJ]

Don't change your story. The ink is not patented. Period.

-Taliesyn

You may be wrong about that one, T. Well, in the US, anyway. I fell
across this thread this morning and curious, I googled "Canon ink
patent." Among numerous other things, I came across the text of a recent
ink patent application at this url:
http://www.latestpatents.com/2007/05/17/canon-patent-applications-published-on-17-may-2007/


No doubt patents have been granted for ink formulas before, or Canon
wouldn't be applying for new ones. Further searching would turn up
granted patents, I"m sure.

And Measekite, it's not that aftermarket ink manufacturers don't know
how to make Canon ink. Patent applications are by necessity public
knowledge and there are detailed specifications for the ink included in
the patent application, so that it's worthiness can be analyzed, and so
other manufacturers can avoid infringement should the patent be granted.
It wouldn't be difficult for a good ink chemist to deduce the process,
even if the information isn't quite complete. At the same time, it also
gives a good chemist clues into Canon's ink formula, so he might be able
to invent an ink which would have performance comparable to Canon ink
without violating the patent. Before you say it, yes, it's possible.
Difficult, but possible. You don't have to work for a printer
manufacturer to invent an ink formula.

TJ

 

[measekite]

You may be wrong about that one, T. Well, in the US, anyway. I fell
across this thread this morning and curious, I googled "Canon ink
patent." Among numerous other things, I came across the text of a
recent ink patent application at this url:
http://www.latestpatents.com/2007/05/17/canon-patent-applications-published-on-17-may-2007/


No doubt patents have been granted for ink formulas before, or Canon
wouldn't be applying for new ones. Further searching would turn up
granted patents, I"m sure.

Like all High School kids who do not even have a diploma they think they
know everything. Someday they make get some judgment to go along with
some knowledge.

And Measekite, it's not that aftermarket ink manufacturers don't know
how to make Canon ink. Patent applications are by necessity public
knowledge and there are detailed specifications for the ink included
in the patent application, so that it's worthiness can be analyzed,
and so other manufacturers can avoid infringement should the patent be
granted.

I am sure they also have trade secrets.

It wouldn't be difficult for a good ink chemist to deduce the process,
even if the information isn't quite complete. At the same time, it
also gives a good chemist clues into Canon's ink formula, so he might
be able to invent an ink which would have performance comparable to
Canon ink without violating the patent. Before you say it, yes, it's
possible. Difficult, but possible. You don't have to work for a
printer manufacturer to invent an ink formula.

It is not likely.