Can a CRT monitor handle HD-DVD?

[OhioGuy]

Before you go off and try to convince me that I should go with Blu-ray, I
should say up front that it's not going to happen. HD-DVD is the official
successor to DVD, and I've been burned by Sony's proprietary formats in the
past. I also don't appreciate what seems to me to be their very consumer
unfriendly stance when they do something stupid like installing malware on
people's computers with their audio CD's. So, I will not buy anything
promoted or sold by Sony.


That said, after seeing some LCD widescreen monitors up close, and reading
about them, I've decided that I'm just not ready to upgrade at this point.
Maybe in another year or so.

With a 19" CRT monitor, if I bought an HD-DVD drive for my PC, would I be
able to watch the movie in High Definition? I currently have an HDTV tuner
card, which works fine, but I was wondering if the CRT monitor would only
let me watch it in DVD quality, but no better than that?

 

[peter]

No.......the CRT monitor will not display HD DVD........it will display
regular DVD quality
Do a search for HDCP................and you will understand the problem
better.
Even most LCD's will not be able to display a HD DVD played on a HD
player..........
In order to play HD-DVD you need a Video Card and Monitor that conforms to
the HDCP specs.
peter

 

[DaveW]

Well, HD-DVD runs at 1080 x 768 resolution. What's your CRT capable of?

 

[ftran999]

Well, HD-DVD runs at 1080 x 768 resolution. What's your CRT capable of? No, it's 1920x1080

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[OhioGuy]

Do a search for HDCP................and you will >understand the problem

better.

Oh my goodness - they seriously think I'm going to replace my RCA cables
with something that has build in digital "rights" management? In other
words, takes away my control over my video entertainment, and gives it to
someone else?

 

[Frank McCoy]

Oh my goodness - they seriously think I'm going to replace my RCA cables
with something that has build in digital "rights" management? In other
words, takes away my control over my video entertainment, and gives it to
someone else?

<Snork!>
A digital cable has no more "rights management" built in than an analog
cable does. I've heard of being paranoid; but this is ridiculous!

Think of the difference as that between a serial I/O port and a parallel
port; the parallel port being "digital".

Any digital rights management is done under software control somewhere
on the computer or the drive with the digital media on it; NOT on any
cables between devices.

Geesh.

 

[biggerdigger]

Doesn't "CP" in HDCP stand for Content Protection?

OhioGuy, the issue of limited (DRM) access to HD-DVDs is being
discussed at sites like
http://forum.doom9.org/ and http://www.afterdawn.com/

 

[Frank McCoy]

In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt biggerdigger

Doesn't "CP" in HDCP stand for Content Protection?

Well, yes it does.
But we're talking about DVI *cables*.

Cables have nothing to do with Content Protection; nor does Content
Protection have anything to do with whether or not an LCD panel will be
able to display HDTV quality pictures. The cable does.

OhioGuy, the issue of limited (DRM) access to HD-DVDs is being
discussed at sites like
http://forum.doom9.org/ and http://www.afterdawn.com/

That's a separate, usually drive related issue.
NOT related to DVI, cables, or LCD resolution or ability.

 

[biggerdigger]

We are not talking about DVI cables. OhioGuy is interested in HD-DVD.
That means, at least for Micriosoft customers, that they have to use
HDMI with HDCP. Otherwise the software will simply not play in "High-
Definition" mode. That has everything to do with DRM. There is now a
chain of encryption, from the movie on the medium, via the software
with possible check for the right to play the contents, the graphics
adapter, the CABLE and of course the monitor. As DaveW already pointed
out, the number of pixels is actually not that impressible. But that
does not mean that everybody can really play an HD-DVD on a regular
CRT. If you replace one component, like the cable, with an "untrusted"
one, then it is over with "High-Definition" access (unless you fix the
system yourself). Now, if we are talking about alternative solutions,
like a Linux solution plus some decryption tools etc., that is a
different story. But for 99% of the people, HD-DVD means buying into
the whole DRM/encryption mess, even replacing cables (!) and the good
old monitor.

 

[Frank McCoy]

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We are not talking about DVI cables. OhioGuy is interested in HD-DVD.
That means, at least for Micriosoft customers, that they have to use
HDMI with HDCP. Otherwise the software will simply not play in "High-
Definition" mode. That has everything to do with DRM. There is now a
chain of encryption, from the movie on the medium, via the software
with possible check for the right to play the contents, the graphics
adapter, the CABLE and of course the monitor.

Pardon my French, but BULLSHIT!

As DaveW already pointed
out, the number of pixels is actually not that impressible. But that
does not mean that everybody can really play an HD-DVD on a regular
CRT. If you replace one component, like the cable, with an "untrusted"
one, then it is over with "High-Definition" access (unless you fix the
system yourself). Now, if we are talking about alternative solutions,
like a Linux solution plus some decryption tools etc., that is a
different story. But for 99% of the people, HD-DVD means buying into
the whole DRM/encryption mess, even replacing cables (!) and the good
old monitor.

Somebody sold you a bill of goods.
Want to buy a bridge?

The encryption and HDCP have to do with the drive and to some extent the
computer connected to the drive. The monitor and cables to the monitor
don't have shit to do with those. They DO have a lot to do with how
high a definition your computer will display; and if the combination
isn't enough, then you have the choice of not watching full HDTV or
seeing it in a windowed mode.

1650x1050 is more than enough for 720p, and almost enough for full 1080p
1900x1200 is more than enough for both.
A DVI cable is probably recommended; but not necessary.

Niether the software nor the drive even know which kind of cable you're
using.

 

[Juarez]

No.......the CRT monitor will not display HD DVD........it will display
regular DVD quality
Do a search for HDCP................and you will understand the problem
better.
Even most LCD's will not be able to display a HD DVD played on a HD
player..........
In order to play HD-DVD you need a Video Card and Monitor that conforms to
the HDCP specs.
peter

Yea, but when HD and Blu-Ray are common on the PC I wouldn't be surprised
if the author of VLC bypasses the DRM just as it does for macrovison now.
I was unable to play DVD's upscaled to 1280x720 on my projector from the
PC because of Macrovision DRM with any of the nomral DVD software players
so just used VLC to bypass that and had no problems playing DVD's at
1280x720 on my projector.

 

[OhioGuy]

so just used VLC to bypass that and had no problems playing DVD's at

1280x720 on my projector.

Is that why when I use VLC Media Player to play DVD's, I can get right to
the main menu? On the other DVD playing software, sometimes I have to sit
through things that won't let me fast forward, or jump to the main menu.

 

[biggerdigger]

In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt biggerdigger



Pardon my French, but BULLSHIT!


Somebody sold you a bill of goods.
Want to buy a bridge?

The encryption and HDCP have to do with the drive and to some extent the
computer connected to the drive. The monitor and cables to the monitor
don't have shit to do with those. They DO have a lot to do with how
high a definition your computer will display; and if the combination
isn't enough, then you have the choice of not watching full HDTV or
seeing it in a windowed mode.

1650x1050 is more than enough for 720p, and almost enough for full 1080p
1900x1200 is more than enough for both.
A DVI cable is probably recommended; but not necessary.

Niether the software nor the drive even know which kind of cable you're
using.

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I find your language offensive and obviously you do not understand
this matter. Somehow that fits.

Everybody else, in particular OhioGuy, please have a look at the
following three references.
First, the Intel HDCP specifications, a bit technical, but they
explain everything, even how HDCP detection works:
http://www.digital-cp.com/

Next, a summary with fewer technical details:
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?SCID=14&CIID=39170&p=1

Last, but not least, a real world example:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41635

The bottom line is, with HD-DVD comes DRM and the need for new
hardware (not because of the number of pixels, but because of DRM
requirements). Since the software is what makes everything work
together, it is also where we need to look first for alternative
solutions.

 

[JAD]

In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt biggerdigger



Pardon my French, but BULLSHIT!


Somebody sold you a bill of goods.
Want to buy a bridge?

The encryption and HDCP have to do with the drive and to some extent the
computer connected to the drive. The monitor and cables to the monitor
don't have shit to do with those. They DO have a lot to do with how
high a definition your computer will display; and if the combination
isn't enough, then you have the choice of not watching full HDTV or
seeing it in a windowed mode.

1650x1050 is more than enough for 720p, and almost enough for full 1080p
1900x1200 is more than enough for both.
A DVI cable is probably recommended; but not necessary.

Niether the software nor the drive even know which kind of cable you're
using.

--
_____
/ ' / T
,-/-, __ __. ____ /_
(_/ / (_(_/|_/ / <_/ <_

I find your language offensive and obviously you do not understand
this matter. Somehow that fits.

Everybody else, in particular OhioGuy, please have a look at the
following three references.
First, the Intel HDCP specifications, a bit technical, but they
explain everything, even how HDCP detection works:
http://www.digital-cp.com/

Next, a summary with fewer technical details:
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?SCID=14&CIID=39170&p=1

Last, but not least, a real world example:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41635

The bottom line is, with HD-DVD comes DRM and the need for new
hardware (not because of the number of pixels, but because of DRM
requirements). Since the software is what makes everything work
together, it is also where we need to look first for alternative
solutions.

"Thus we find in the DRM features of Vista the actualization of the darkening, dystopian
future that Richard Stallman warned us about several years ago when he renamed the Vole's
Trusted Computing as Treacherous Computing." µ



I have been preaching this stuff for 5 years, TCPA....the homebuilt computer will be in
the museum soon.