Bye Bye Microsoft Passport!

[asj]

It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had
been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye,
passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!!

http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/10/17/wither_passport

"Microsoft hasn't talked much about Passport lately, but Monster.com
sent out an email last week saying that they were discontinuing the
option to sign in using Passport. And I noticed today that eBay isn't
offering the option to sign in with Passport anymore either. Although
the creepy Passport for Kids site is still up and running, and the
notice from last March about the Express Purchase service getting
killed is still up, but I think the definitive bad sign is that the
directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press
release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?"

 

[Brad Shook]

I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a
passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could
afford it.

Brad Shook

 

[Steve McLellan]

As has been said before, please don't post this stuff to a technical
newsgroup with the pure intention of riling people - I don't really care
what you post in the advocacy groups but I can't imagine it's on-topic there
either.

Steve

 

[Tim Tyler]

http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/10/17/wither_passport

"Microsoft hasn't talked much about Passport lately, but Monster.com
sent out an email last week saying that they were discontinuing the
option to sign in using Passport. And I noticed today that eBay isn't
offering the option to sign in with Passport anymore either. [...]"

That is not accurate - as a quick visit to:

http://www.ebay.com/

....rapidly shows.

 

[Craig Kelley]

I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a
passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could
afford it.

Not to mention the sheer stupidity in giving all your CRM information away
to another company, and paying them to take it. Especially Microsoft.

It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[thundercleets]

I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a
passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could
afford it.

Brad Shook

..NET died when the banks refused to pay Microsoft for a service they
already had for the promise of increased business which Microsoft
could not make.

 

[David]

It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had
been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye,
passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!!

Hmm... My MSDN account still uses it.. And eBay still uses it.
Perhaps Monster.com is just cutting costs because they're not making
the money they thought they would.

Rumor has it that Monster's current TV ad campaign is a make-or-break
effort. If it doesn't drum them up new business (remember hiring
companies *pay* to use Monster) they're done for.

 

[asj]

While Microsoft's passport goes down:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118229,00.asp

Sun's LIberty Alliance gains a VERY big member (IBM):
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5420814.html

"With the failure of Passport and the interoperability pact struck in
April of this year with former archrival Sun, Microsoft may elect to
join the Liberty Alliance or support the group's specification.
Microsoft and Sun have said that identity management is one of the
first areas in which they hope to achieve interoperability."

 

[Tom Shelton]

.NET died when the banks refused to pay Microsoft for a service they
already had for the promise of increased business which Microsoft
could not make.

..NET != Passport

 

[Hamilcar Barca]

Sun's LIberty Alliance gains a VERY big member (IBM):
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5420814.html

"With the failure of Passport and the interoperability pact struck in
April of this year with former archrival Sun, Microsoft may elect to
join the Liberty Alliance or support the group's specification.

Given its past history, Microsoft is sure to ignore the Liberty
Alliance or subvert the group's specification.

Microsoft and Sun have said that identity management is one of the
first areas in which they hope to achieve interoperability."

Microsoft and Sun are very high on the list of companies who
have demonstrated they cannot be trusted with any form of "identity
management".

 

[Randall Shimizu]

Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When
Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business
rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even
their own employees disdain the use of passport.

I think IBM had been thinking of joining Liberty. On the otherhand
they were holding off to gain a strategic advantage over Sun. A lot of
this had to do with IBM's involvement with the Internet2 Shibboleth
project. Shibboleth was a opensource federated authentication
mechnanism, which used SAML. Now since Liberty is SAML based it makes
a lot of sense. IBM's decision is rather ironic since they have
invested more resources than any other company. But IBM as a company
has not actively pushed directory services. There is of course a much
larger ramifications such as IBM directory and the services that
accompany it. Thankfully the customer pushed IBM in the right
direction. In the long run it will be good for both the customer and
IBM. More importantly it gives them more leverage to prevent Active
Directory and passport from extending and embracing the IT world.

Given its past history, Microsoft is sure to ignore the Liberty
Alliance or subvert the group's specification.

Well currently Microsoft is pushing the WS-I standard, but it merge
with Liberty over the next year.

Microsoft and Sun are very high on the list of companies who
have demonstrated they cannot be trusted with any form of "identity

Well Microsoft has proven this, but I think Sun is still a trusted
company

 

[asj]

Hmm... My MSDN account still uses it.. And eBay still uses it.
Perhaps Monster.com is just cutting costs because they're not making
the money they thought they would.

nope, microsoft is severely scaling back passport and may even join
the liberty alliance.

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118229,00.asp

 

[Fred]

Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business

rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even their
own employees disdain the use of passport.

I am a business major.

I think IBM had been thinking of joining Liberty. On the otherhand they
were holding off to gain a strategic advantage over Sun. A lot of this
had to do with IBM's involvement with the Internet2 Shibboleth project.
Shibboleth was a opensource federated authentication mechnanism, which
used SAML. Now since Liberty is SAML based it makes a lot of sense.
IBM's decision is rather ironic since they have invested more resources
than any other company. But IBM as a company has not actively pushed
directory services. There is of course a much larger ramifications such
as IBM directory and the services that accompany it. Thankfully the
customer pushed IBM in the right direction. In the long run it will be
good for both the customer and IBM. More importantly it gives them more
leverage to prevent Active Directory and passport from extending and
embracing the IT world. Hamilcar Barca <[email protected]
wrote in message news:<[email protected]...

You? Thinking? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Well currently Microsoft is pushing the WS-I standard, but it merge
with Liberty over the next year.

But what?

Well Microsoft has proven this, but I think Sun is still a trusted
company

Who told you to think?

 

[Erik Funkenbusch]

Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When
Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business
rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even
their own employees disdain the use of passport.

Hailstorm failed because there really wasn't a business case to justify it.
Passport, while not a resounding success, isn't a failure. It's used by
more than just MS sites, but that list is rather limited.

For example, ebay uses passport, as does InstallShield, USA Today, ESPN,
etc.. but even if it was only MS, that's still a *LOT* of sites.

Well currently Microsoft is pushing the WS-I standard, but it merge
with Liberty over the next year.

I think there's a bigger chance of Liberty merging with Passport than the
other way around.

 

[thundercleets]

.NET != Passport

No, Passport was inclusive but a critical part of the .NET vision.
Microsoft considered using a half assed freemail client as a lynchpin
universal authentication system for sensitive data.

 

[David]

nope, microsoft is severely scaling back passport and may even join
the liberty alliance.

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118229,00.asp

Yea it sure looks that way, huh?

Well, I never really got Passport anyway... And apparently neither
did anyone else..

 

[Bruce Lewis]

For example, ebay uses passport, as does InstallShield, USA Today, ESPN,
etc.. but even if it was only MS, that's still a *LOT* of sites.

Do any non-MSFT sites *require* passport for authentication? Sure,
sites with money to burn will add optional support for it, but they
can easily drop that support for lack of interest.

 

[Randall Shimizu]

Hailstorm failed because there really wasn't a business case to justify it.
Passport, while not a resounding success, isn't a failure.

Hailstorm failed because businesses and consumers rejected. The
financial community approached Sun asked them to develop more open
single-signon solution. Businesses were not comfortable that a single
entity or company would store information on a single platform.
It's used by

more than just MS sites, but that list is rather limited.

For example, ebay uses passport, as does InstallShield, USA Today, ESPN,
etc.. but even if it was only MS, that's still a *LOT* of sites.


I think there's a bigger chance of Liberty merging with Passport than the
other way around.

No, Microsoft is no longer pushing Passport as it's single sign-on
solution. What will proably happen is that Liberty and WS-I will
merge.

 

[Erik Funkenbusch]

Hailstorm failed because businesses and consumers rejected. The
financial community approached Sun asked them to develop more open
single-signon solution. Businesses were not comfortable that a single
entity or company would store information on a single platform.
It's used by

You seem to be confusing Hailstorm with Passport. They're not the same
thing. As such, how can one take your analysis when you don't even
understand this difference?

Hailstorm was simply a collection of "for pay" Web services, which have
nothing to do with single sign on.

No, Microsoft is no longer pushing Passport as it's single sign-on
solution. What will proably happen is that Liberty and WS-I will
merge.

I haven't seen MS offering any alternative to Passport, and they're still
using it everywhere.

 

[anoncoward]

.NET != Passport

I think the problem lies with MS - they weren't very clear with their nomenclature.
You're both right! =