Buying new Windows XP Professional

[Rainy]

Hi, I need some information. A friend would like to buy windows xp
professional.. and was searching on Ebay and this is a statement I read
about the product they are selling..and I would like to know if this is
true, the part about having to include an integral piece of hardware.. If
it is new and unopened, I would think not.. but would rather check it out
first.. thanks Rainy

This is an unused Genuine OEM copy of Microsoft Windows XP Professional with
service pack 2. It is sealed and has not been activated with Microsoft.
Packaged with it will be a working, but sold-as-is, "integral piece of
hardware" such as a motherboard, processor, or hard drive in keeping with
Ebay and Microsoft's OEM policies.

 

[Gordon]

Hi, I need some information. A friend would like to buy windows xp
professional.. and was searching on Ebay and this is a statement I
read about the product they are selling..and I would like to know if
this is true, the part about having to include an integral piece of
hardware.. If it is new and unopened, I would think not.. but would
rather check it out first.. thanks Rainy

This is an unused Genuine OEM copy of Microsoft Windows XP
Professional with service pack 2. It is sealed and has not been
activated with Microsoft. Packaged with it will be a working, but
sold-as-is, "integral piece of hardware" such as a motherboard,
processor, or hard drive in keeping with Ebay and Microsoft's OEM
policies.

Please look at the responses to your earlier post.

 

[orthocross]

Hi, I need some information. A friend would like to buy windows xp
professional.. and was searching on Ebay and this is a statement I read
about the product they are selling..and I would like to know if this is
true, the part about having to include an integral piece of hardware.. If
it is new and unopened, I would think not.. but would rather check it out
first.. thanks Rainy

This is an unused Genuine OEM copy of Microsoft Windows XP Professional with
service pack 2. It is sealed and has not been activated with Microsoft.
Packaged with it will be a working, but sold-as-is, "integral piece of
hardware" such as a motherboard, processor, or hard drive in keeping with
Ebay and Microsoft's OEM policies.

1) NEVER, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, purchase XP via eBay.
2) Your friend may purchase an AUTHENTIC (guaranteed by Amazon) from
Amazon's website. It would be exactly what the eBay ad claims: that
is, "a Genuine FULL OEM copy of Microsoft Windows Professional w/Sp2."

I recently purchased one via Amazon for $146 (including shipping and
handling). And it arrived earlier than the projected delivery date.

This disc is indeed a GENUINE Microsoft product, including
edge-to-edge holograms (reddish), and a GENUINE Microsoft COA
(Certificate of Authenticity) containing GENUINE Microsoft holograms
and other security features.


Please reply to the original newsgroup and thread,
so that the conversation may continue undisturbed.
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[Rainy]

it's too late, it's a done deal.. and she purchased (actually it turned out
to be xp home which was OEM for $70 not everyone can afford to buy from
other places.. so far it's not been installed, but I will keep the group
updated What do you have against EBAY?.. she chose after I advised her to
be sure that she bought from a power seller, one with between 99 and 100%
feedback.. The one she chose had sold over 7000 items and had a great
feedback score.. if the item turns out to be less than advertised, there is
recourse with Paypal.. and or Ebay.. (same difference) I had another friend
who suggested she buy from somewhere else online.. and she looked but Ebay
had the best deal.. and the other online store was unheard of, so she
didn't want to do business with them.. Thanks for the input, Rainy

 

[Larry Samuels]

Hi Rainy,
It's nothing against eBay. It is the fact that a lot of the software sold
there is either bootlegged, illegally re-imported to the US, home burned
copies, or replacement disks with no COAs.

eBay does their best at trying to keep the illegal software auctions to a
minimum, but there is no way they can monitor every auction.

--
Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone-

 

[Rainy]

Hi Larry, if I can determine that the OS that she bought is bootlegged, or
illegal without the COA.. I will help my friend deal with Ebay. But the
product was guaranteed to be unopened.. and legal! We will just have to
see! thanks.. Rainy

 

[Gordon]

1) NEVER, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, purchase XP via eBay.

Why ever not? I purchased a GENUINE, generic OEM copy of Windows 2000 that
was PERFECTLY legit!
You just have to be very careful in reading the description.

 

[Rainy]

generic?

Why ever not? I purchased a GENUINE, generic OEM copy of Windows 2000 that
was PERFECTLY legit!
You just have to be very careful in reading the description.

 

[Gordon]

generic?

means it's not tied to any particular vendor like Dell for example.

 

[Rainy]

thought it meant "non microsoft" I knew that couldn't be right..thanks
for clearing it up.. Rainy

 

[Leythos]

Why ever not? I purchased a GENUINE, generic OEM copy of Windows 2000 that
was PERFECTLY legit!
You just have to be very careful in reading the description.

If it was opened, if it was already installed (the COA), if it was from
any vendors branded system (like a Dell or HP), then it was not legit.

There are FULL OEM media that can be purchased, but if you read the OEM
Licensing agreement, which has changed again, I would be willing to bet
that you didn't purchase a fully legit OEM copy.

 

[Gordon]

If it was opened, if it was already installed (the COA), if it was from
any vendors branded system (like a Dell or HP), then it was not legit.

There are FULL OEM media that can be purchased, but if you read the OEM
Licensing agreement, which has changed again, I would be willing to bet
that you didn't purchase a fully legit OEM copy.

Well you'd bet wrong then!
It was unopened and had a genuine MS hologram on it.....

 

[Leythos]

Well you'd bet wrong then!
It was unopened and had a genuine MS hologram on it.....

If it was Unopened, and has the COA, that doesn't make it legit - in the
case of Dell OEM CD's, they are a full OEM version, but, since they are
pre-installed on the Dell computer they shipped with, they are not
resellable as a legit install.

Actually, open/unopened doesn't make any difference, if it was purchased
with a hardware component, then it's tied to that hardware for life and
can't be resold to anyone.

 

[Gordon]

Leythos wrote:

If it was Unopened, and has the COA, that doesn't make it legit - in the
case of Dell OEM CD's, they are a full OEM version, but, since they are
pre-installed on the Dell computer they shipped with, they are not
resellable as a legit install.

If you read my original post I used the word GENERIC......

 

[Leythos]

Leythos wrote:



If you read my original post I used the word GENERIC......

And if it was Generic, meaning a standard OEM purchase like a Partner or
Small Business vendor would purchase, unless they charged you the same
as almost every other vendor would charge, then it's a 99% bet that it's
not legit - sure, it may work, sure it may validate, but, they are not
going to sell it below their costs, and that means most are not legit.

 

[Gordon]

And if it was Generic, meaning a standard OEM purchase like a Partner or
Small Business vendor would purchase, unless they charged you the same
as almost every other vendor would charge, then it's a 99% bet that it's
not legit - sure, it may work, sure it may validate, but, they are not
going to sell it below their costs, and that means most are not legit.

You don't give up do you? Sometimes companies OVERBUY! They then sell their
surplus stock!

 

[Leythos]

You don't give up do you? Sometimes companies OVERBUY! They then sell their
surplus stock!

You don't understand OEM rules do you?

At this time, you can not sell new OEM XP software to end users if I
read the OEM site correctly, it can only be transferred to another OEM
or must be installed on a computer being sold to an end-user.

While those strict rules were not in place for Windows 2000, the OEM
rules that many of us worked under where, and you could not resell OEM
Windows 2000 without a qualifying computer part....

If you bought Windows 2000 for under $140 on ebay, it was not a legit
sale. Check the licensing / OEM site for yourself before you reply
again.

 

[Gordon]

You don't understand OEM rules do you?

At this time, you can not sell new OEM XP software to end users if I
read the OEM site correctly, it can only be transferred to another OEM
or must be installed on a computer being sold to an end-user.

While those strict rules were not in place for Windows 2000, the OEM
rules that many of us worked under where, and you could not resell OEM
Windows 2000 without a qualifying computer part....

If you bought Windows 2000 for under $140 on ebay, it was not a legit
sale. Check the licensing / OEM site for yourself before you reply
again.

Quote from OEM Builders FAQ (which I can't see because it's password
protected):

"Q. The current System Builder license states that I may distribute an
operating system license with a "non-peripheral hardware component". What
hardware components are considered "non-peripheral"?

A. A non-peripheral hardware component is a hardware component that is
considered to be essential to running a computer system, and includes
components such as memory, internal devices and drives, mice, keyboards,
and power supplies. Examples of components that are not considered
essential are external modems, networking devices, cameras, printers, and
scanners. "

 

[Phil Weldon]

'Gordon' wrote, in part:
| Quote from OEM Builders FAQ (which I can't see because it's password
| protected):
_____

A dead giveaway is the inversion of the meaning, in context, of
'peripheral'.
And pretty good trick, quoting from a 'password protected' FAQ, eh?
eBay is a great place to find something if you ARE familiar with the
product.
eBay is also a place to pay more than the going price.
Or being surprised by what you got; instead of what you thought you should
get if you are NOT familiar with the product.

Or maybe you are trying to avoid VAT?

"Microsoft routinely monitors auction sites to identify counterfeit software
offerings to protect consumers from buying illegal software. Microsoft asks
auction sites such as eBay to shut down offerings of counterfeit software.
In 2005, the company requested takedowns of almost 50,000 auctions sites
offering pirated software." (from
<http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/mar06/03-15LawsuitsPR.mspx>)

Phil Weldon


| Quote from OEM Builders FAQ (which I can't see because it's password
| protected):
|
| "Q. The current System Builder license states that I may distribute an
| operating system license with a "non-peripheral hardware component". What
| hardware components are considered "non-peripheral"?
|
| A. A non-peripheral hardware component is a hardware component that is
| considered to be essential to running a computer system, and includes
| components such as memory, internal devices and drives, mice, keyboards,
| and power supplies. Examples of components that are not considered
| essential are external modems, networking devices, cameras, printers, and
| scanners. "
|
| --
| Gordon Burgess-Parker
| Interim Systems and Management Accounting
| www.gbpcomputing.co.uk

 

[Bruce Chambers]

it's too late, it's a done deal.. and she purchased (actually it turned out
to be xp home which was OEM for $70 not everyone can afford to buy from
other places.. so far it's not been installed, but I will keep the group
updated What do you have against EBAY?..

Getting a legitimate license of any kind from eBay is something of
a crap shoot. One should be very careful buying any software on eBay,
as eBay makes no prior effort to ensure that such sales are legitimate;
they react only when someone files a complaint. (And then all that
really happens is the seller of the pirated software returns using a
different alias, to continue selling illegitimate licenses.)

she chose after I advised her to
be sure that she bought from a power seller, one with between 99 and 100%
feedback.. The one she chose had sold over 7000 items and had a great
feedback score..

All of which is easily faked by the seller himself posting fake
feedback reports using throw-away email accounts....

if the item turns out to be less than advertised, there is
recourse with Paypal.. and or Ebay.. (same difference)

Be prepared for a great deal of frustration....


--

Bruce Chambers

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