Buying New Windows XP Professional

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Rainy

Hi, I need some information. A friend would like to buy windows xp
professional.. and was searching on Ebay and this is a statement I read
about the product they are selling..and I would like to know if this is
true, the part about having to include an integral piece of hardware.. If
it is new and unopened, I would think not.. but would rather check it out
first.. thanks Rainy

This is an unused Genuine OEM copy of Microsoft Windows XP Professional with
service pack 2. It is sealed and has not been activated with Microsoft.
Packaged with it will be a working, but sold-as-is, "integral piece of
hardware" such as a motherboard, processor, or hard drive in keeping with
Ebay and Microsoft's OEM policies.
 
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Doug Knox MS-MVP

No, MS dropped that requirement for OEM versions. The OEM (whoever sold it to you) was obligated under the old licensing to provide support for the product. Good luck with most online stores and e-bay auctions. Now, if you're building your own system, you are considered the system builder (OEM) and are responsible for your own support.
 
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Bruce Chambers

Rainy said:
Hi, I need some information. A friend would like to buy windows xp
professional.. and was searching on Ebay and this is a statement I read
about the product they are selling..and I would like to know if this is
true, the part about having to include an integral piece of hardware.. If
it is new and unopened, I would think not.. but would rather check it out
first.. thanks Rainy

This is an unused Genuine OEM copy of Microsoft Windows XP Professional with
service pack 2. It is sealed and has not been activated with Microsoft.
Packaged with it will be a working, but sold-as-is, "integral piece of
hardware" such as a motherboard, processor, or hard drive in keeping with
Ebay and Microsoft's OEM policies.


There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so
much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:

1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of non-peripheral
hardware (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC,
although Microsoft has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP)
and are _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed.
An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people
avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even
stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only
legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
transfer ownership of the entire PC.

2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you
have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is
to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM
license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email support
for problems with the OS.

3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard drive.
It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an
in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.

4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature. Further,
such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum of device
drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer feels
necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was designed. To
be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the open market; but,
if you're shopping someplace on-line like eBay (One should be very
careful buying any software on eBay, as eBay makes no prior effort to
ensure that such sales are legitimate; they react only when someone
files a complaint. And then all that really happens is the seller of the
pirated software returns using a different alias, to continue selling
illegitimate licenses.), swap meets, or computer fairs, there's often no
telling what you're buying until it's too late. The "generic" OEM CDs,
such as are manufactured by Microsoft and sold to small systems
builders, don't have this particular problem, though, and are pretty
much the same as their retail counterparts, apart from the licensing,
support, and upgrading restrictions.


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Rainy

thank you so much!! appreciate the response... Rainy
No, MS dropped that requirement for OEM versions. The OEM (whoever sold it
to you) was obligated under the old licensing to provide support for the
product. Good luck with most online stores and e-bay auctions. Now, if
you're building your own system, you are considered the system builder (OEM)
and are responsible for your own support.
 
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Rainy

Hi.. I see a lot of OEM style XP home OS's at Ebay, and they fall within her
price range. Do You mean she can only use it once on her older PC, but
not if she changes PC's? She doesn't have to have a new pc to use this,
right? thanks Rainy
 
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Rainy

also, can she reinstall it or repair her operating system if something goes
wrong.. thanks Rainy
 
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Bruce Chambers

Rainy said:
Hi.. I see a lot of OEM style XP home OS's at Ebay, and they fall within her
price range.


Getting a legitimate license of any kind from eBay is something of a
crap shoot. One should be very careful buying any software on eBay, as
eBay makes no prior effort to ensure that such sales are legitimate;
they react only when someone files a complaint. (And then all that
really happens is the seller of the pirated software returns using a
different alias, to continue selling illegitimate licenses.)

Especially if it's an OEM license, be sure to get a guarantee, in
writing, from the seller that it's an unbranded, generic OEM CD, and
that it has never been installed on any other computer. Get this
guarantee *before* parting with any money.

Do You mean she can only use it once on her older PC, but
not if she changes PC's? She doesn't have to have a new pc to use this,
right? thanks Rainy

That about sums it up. An OEM license, once installed, is not legally
transferable to another computer under any circumstances. This is the
main reason some people avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is
otherwise disposed of (even stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license
on a new PC. The only legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an
OEM license is to transfer ownership of the entire PC.


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Bruce Chambers

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Bruce Chambers

Rainy said:
also, can she reinstall it or repair her operating system if something goes
wrong.. thanks Rainy

Yes, certainly. A generic, unbranded OEM CD can still be used to
perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an in-place upgrade) of an
existing WinXP installation.


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Rainy

thanks so much.. I have all the information I need now.. to give her the
best advice.. thanks again Rainy
 
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Bruce Chambers

Rainy said:
thanks so much.. I have all the information I need now.. to give her the
best advice.. thanks again Rainy


You're welcome.


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Ken

That about sums it up. An OEM license, once installed, is not legally
transferable to another computer under any circumstances. This is the
main reason some people avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise
disposed of (even stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC.
The only legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
transfer ownership of the entire PC.
After reading the previous posts I have a slight concern - Can I ask what is
defined as a new PC. Looking back since I purchased my PC with XP it bears
no relation to the original configuration when you consider I have replaced
the Motherboard, upgraded the drives to SATA, the graphics card, memory,
replaced the power supply, removed the old dial up modem. The case is
still the same.

Regards

Ken
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Ken said:
After reading the previous posts I have a slight concern - Can I ask
what is defined as a new PC. Looking back since I purchased my PC
with XP it bears no relation to the original configuration when you
consider I have replaced the Motherboard, upgraded the drives to
SATA, the graphics card, memory, replaced the power supply, removed
the old dial up modem. The case is still the same.



An excellent question, but one that has no real answer. There are those who
will tell you that changing the motherboard makes it a new computer, and
even point to a Microsoft website that states that, but the EULA is the
agreement between you and Microsoft which states what you can or can not do.
The EULA does *not* define what constitutes a new computer, and any external
documentation is irrelevant, in my view.

Silly as it sounds, since the case is the place where the COA is required to
be affixed on an OEM computer, I think one might be able to argue
successfully in court that if the case remains the same, it's the same
computer (if it were ever to get to court--so far, it never has).
 
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Ken

Ken Blake said:
An excellent question, but one that has no real answer. There are those
who will tell you that changing the motherboard makes it a new computer,
and even point to a Microsoft website that states that, but the EULA is
the agreement between you and Microsoft which states what you can or can
not do. The EULA does *not* define what constitutes a new computer, and
any external documentation is irrelevant, in my view.

Silly as it sounds, since the case is the place where the COA is required
to be affixed on an OEM computer, I think one might be able to argue
successfully in court that if the case remains the same, it's the same
computer (if it were ever to get to court--so far, it never has).

Many thanks for the reply. As you say there isn't any real answer. I have
always
been of the opinion that considering that the COA is affixed to the side of
the case
then as long as I use the same case then I am not breaking any laws. If
this was not
so then one would not be able to upgrade. The interesting one is the
motherboard -
mine went down on me after a power surge - surely no one would argue that
when
I replaced the it I should have bought a new licence - or would they!.
Thanks again

Regards

Ken
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Ken said:
Many thanks for the reply. As you say there isn't any real answer. I have
always
been of the opinion that considering that the COA is affixed to the
side of the case
then as long as I use the same case then I am not breaking any laws. If
this was not
so then one would not be able to upgrade. The interesting one is the
motherboard -
mine went down on me after a power surge - surely no one would argue
that when
I replaced the it I should have bought a new licence - or would they!.
Thanks again


You're welcome. Glad to help.
 
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Gordon

Ken said:
The interesting one is the
motherboard -
mine went down on me after a power surge - surely no one would argue
that when
I replaced the it I should have bought a new licence - or would they!.

there is a certain MVP who posts here who vehemently argues that a new
motherboard contravenes the OEM licence.....but then, his answer is to
purchase a full retail version for 99.999999999% of posts.......
 
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Rainy

Another question please.. I am seeing 64bit on some of the OS.. what is that
exactly.. some have it and some don't! thanks Rainy
 
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Gordon

Rainy said:
Another question please.. I am seeing 64bit on some of the OS.. what is
that
exactly.. some have it and some don't! thanks Rainy

64 bit Windows XP runs on a 64 Bit processor. If you don't know what you
have, then it's 99.99% probable you have a *32* bit processor. Do not buy
the 64 bit version......
 
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Rainy

thanks I will ask her.. I can suggest she uses belarc advisor to check what
her processor is.. thanks Rainy
 

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