Bullet lists and paras STYLES

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Hi Suzanne or some other expert.

Word 2000

I am well able to modify Normal.dot to do one of these BUT

Trying to set up normal.dot to give me 12pts between paras and before and
after bullet lists BUT 6 points between bullet list items. I am having
trouble setting both. Is it possible in Word 2000?
 
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Hi Stefan

Thanks but the problem is that after the last bullet point I want a
different spacing to that between bullet pounts
 
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

This is something Word doesn't handle well. You can opt for "Don't add space
between paragraphs of the same style," but you can't opt for "Add only this
much space between paragraphs of the same style. Other than modifying
specific list members, the only real option is to give the style used for
the bullet points 6 points Spacing Before or After (or 3 points Before *and*
After) and then combine that with Spacing After in the introductory
paragraph and Before in the following paragraph.

I actually prefer to have less space between the introductory paragraph and
the list than between the list and the following paragraph (often
unrelated), so I'd use 6 points After on the preceding paragraph and the
list paragraphs and then use a style with 6 or 12 points Before for the
following paragraph. You could actually achieve this by using 6 points
Before *and* After for your ordinary text paragraphs and just 6 points After
for the bulleted list. This would give you 12 points between paragraphs (by
adding 6 + 6), 6 points between the introductory paragraph and the bullets,
6 points after each bullet, and 12 points between bullets and following
paragraph. This assumes, however, that you have checked the Compatibility
Option "Don't use HTML paragraph auto spacing," since the auto spacing uses
the larger of combined Before and After amounts instead of adding them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
 
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Stefan Blom

Set up the style you are using for non-numbered paragraphs, say Body
Text, with 12 points of Spacing Before and define a bullet style with 6
points of Spacing Before; that should do the trick.
 
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

That gives only 6 points between text paragraph and bullet point, which
would suit me (and of course is a lot simpler than the convoluted solution I
muddle-headedly proposed) but does not meet the OP's requirements.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
 
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Stefan Blom

True. Of course, it would be possible to manually adjust the spacing for
the first list item--or use your convoluted solution. :)
 
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Our ISP feed to Newsgroups was cut for the last few days. Now back up again.
If anyone kindly answered my query further, please repeat your post.

Cheers
 
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

If you haven't visited the NGs since you posted your question, you should be
seeing all the answers as new posts.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
 
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Hi Suzanne

I saw all the earlier posts and I replied that the solutions did not work
for me. Then my ISP stopped its news feed until a number of us complained.
Now it's back up but there were no further answers visible (except this
one). We have lost some continuity at this end. If you replied to my most
recent ongoing query, please do so again as somehow the link was broken.
It's happend to other ngs too.
 
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

I see only one reply from you dismissing previous answers. I see no replies
to Stefan's and my posts on February 1 and 2, and we haven't replied since
then until yesterday. The consensus (stated by Stefan) was:

"Set up the style you are using for non-numbered paragraphs, say Body
Text, with 12 points of Spacing Before and define a bullet style with 6
points of Spacing Before; that should do the trick."

This gives you just 6 points between an introductory paragraph and the
following bulleted list, but I actually prefer less space above the bulleted
list than below. If you actually want 12 points between that introductory
paragraph and the bulleted list, you'd have to press Ctrl+0 on the first
bullet point to get that spacing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
 
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Thanks

In fact I got that but my attempt to do it failed (I don't 'dismiss' it; I
just can't make it work!). Has someone actually tried it on Word 2000?
 
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Stefan Blom

In what way doesn't the spacing work? If you don't get any spacing
between the numbered items, look for the "Don't add space between
paragraphs of the same style" in the Modify Style dialog box. I don't
remember if that option was available in Word 2000, but if you see it,
just deselect it.
 
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What is happening is that the para and the bullet pounts are 6 pts spaced,
when I asked for 6 before and 6 after.

What I would like is someone to actually *try* it with Word 2000, rather
than telling me what *should* happen (which I accept!)!
 
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Stefan Blom

By default, Word uses the larger of Spacing After and Spacing Before
when these two values "meet." To turn off that setting, and force Word
to use the sum of the values instead, clear the "Don't use HTML
paragraph auto spacing" compatibility option in Tools | Options,
Compatibility tab.

As for testing, that isn't possible for me, as I haven't been running
Office 2000 for years.
 
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

Well, in the post where I suggested 6 points Before AND After, I mentioned
that the "Don't use HTML paragraph auto spacing" compatibility option must
be enabled. I didn't bother mentioning it again because your proposal was
only for Spacing Before. I'm out of this thread.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
 
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Sorry I've apparently exhausted even your patience Suzanne! To you and
Stefan, I did deal with the 'Don't use HTML para auto spacing' as suggested
and unfortunately it did not make any difference!

I feel it needs one of you experts to actually try it on Word 2000 to see
what happens (rather than what should happen...)
 
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Stefan Blom

Of course I meant to say that one should *select* the option. And I did
suspect that you mentioned it before, but I didn't bother to read
through old messages to check.
 
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Stefan Blom

Word's behavior with regards to spacing hasn't changed since Word 2000
(the version when the HTML settings were introduced).

Which are the exact settings you have for your styles (line spacing,
spacing after, spacing before)?
 

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