Bug in XP TweakUI

[Steven K]

I was wondering why the applied tweak for "forgetting folder views" did not work even I increased the value to 5000! Looking up the information on the Net I realise a difference between the key written by TweakUI and the working one - damn space!

The working key is called:
BagMRU Size

TweakUI writes:
Bag MRU Size and this key fails of course!

Damn Microsoft buggers again!

 

[Rock]

I was wondering why the applied tweak for "forgetting folder views" did not work even I increased the value to 5000! Looking up the information on the Net I realise a difference between the key written by TweakUI and the working one - damn space!

The working key is called:
BagMRU Size

TweakUI writes:
Bag MRU Size and this key fails of course!

Damn Microsoft buggers again!

It's a known bug. See http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
line 2 for a reg tweak to increase it to 8000.

 

[Steven K]

It's a known bug. See http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
line 2 for a reg tweak to increase it to 8000.

It does not excuse why this Powertoy bug hasn't been fixed by now - same
with the slideshow bug making this toy simply unusable! MS wrote this buggy
code but to lazy to fix it!? Yeah, oright...I know what ur going to say...

 

[Jason Tsang]

Powertoys are not supported.
They are employee creations on their own time.

MSFT has no obligation to update/bugfix them.

 

[Rock]

It does not excuse why this Powertoy bug hasn't been fixed by now - same
with the slideshow bug making this toy simply unusable! MS wrote this buggy
code but to lazy to fix it!? Yeah, oright...I know what ur going to say...

and what is that?

 

[Steven K]

and what is that?

Look, Jason Tsang, said what I expected(same thread here) - I think he means
MS is not responsible for what their employees do, nor is MS responsible for
whatever they release. The MS policy is astonishing simple like that of a
kindergarten...

 

[Steven K]

Powertoys are not supported.
They are employee creations on their own time.

MSFT has no obligation to update/bugfix them.

Cooool attitude, Jason, I would fire such employees since it would be an irresponsible attitude for my business! If this is fine for Bill Gates...

 

[Jason Tsang]

If you choose not to read the disclaimers on the powertoy download page,
then that's your own problem.

from the Windows XP Powertoys site
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

<Quote>
PowerToys are additional programs that developers work on after a product
has been released to manufacturing. ...
Note We've taken great care to ensure that PowerToys operate as they should,
but they are not part of Windows and are not supported by Microsoft. For
this reason, Microsoft Technical Support is unable to answer questions about
PowerToys.
</Quote>

MSFT clearly states that Powertoy components are not supported. You, for
some reason, think that Microsoft has some obligation to update it. Perhaps
MSFT should just muzzle their employees and not allow them to make any
PowerToys and only release software that they were 100% obligated to
support? Would that satisfy you?

If you really feel strongly about this, complain to the developer who made
TweakUI. Here is his blog page announcing the release of TweakUI for
Windows XP 2.1. You can then contact him from there and hope he response
to you.
http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/07/21/54549.aspx

 

[Steven K]

If you choose not to read the disclaimers on the powertoy download page,
then that's your own problem.

from the Windows XP Powertoys site
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

c'mon, Jason, switch your brain on for just a minute and realise what u
write here..When I would write faulty code I would feel embarrassed and fix
it, No? - not for you or MSFT? What's goin' on in your brains, guys? NO,
self esteem?
Nada? All flat liners?

 

[Rock]

Look, Jason Tsang, said what I expected(same thread here) - I think he means
MS is not responsible for what their employees do, nor is MS responsible for
whatever they release. The MS policy is astonishing simple like that of a
kindergarten...

My only comment would be it's not that big a deal. Irfanview has a
slide show capability if I needed that. Kelly's tweak works fine. I
don't get bothered by little niggles, at least not these, and stay out
of the MS debate for the most part.

 

[Steven K]

.....

My only comment would be it's not that big a deal. Irfanview has a
slide show capability if I needed that. Kelly's tweak works fine. I
don't get bothered by little niggles, at least not these, and stay out
of the MS debate for the most part.

Little niggles? -No, we're talking here about a massive attitude problem of
the world's richest company and their employees! It's not about Irfan or a
simple reg. tweak that is available all over the Internet. But perhaps once
u have to wipe your system cause due to a failing service pack, or such, and
MS just shrugs bored its shoulders..you might start realising where the mess
is going

greetings from Brisbane

Steve

 

[Kelly]

Simple truth being Raymond has not gotten to getting it corrected. Get over
it. In the meantime.....

Either use my edit or install SP2 which changes the setting of BagMRU to
5000. And will modify the setting if you already have a higher value.






I was wondering why the applied tweak for "forgetting folder views" did not
work even I increased the value to 5000! Looking up the information on the
Net I realise a difference between the key written by TweakUI and the
working one - damn space!

The working key is called:
BagMRU Size

TweakUI writes:
Bag MRU Size and this key fails of course!

Damn Microsoft buggers again!

 

[Steven K]

Simple truth being Raymond has not gotten to getting it corrected. Get
over it. In the meantime.....

Either use my edit or install SP2 which changes the setting of BagMRU to
5000. And will modify the setting if you already have a higher value.

Kelly, thanks, it's already done since this morning!

 

[Alex Nichol]

Little niggles? -No, we're talking here about a massive attitude problem of
the world's richest company and their employees! It's not about Irfan or a
simple reg. tweak that is available all over the Internet.

If someone, entirely in his spare time, but out of the goodness of his
heart, decides to use his deep inner knowledge of the system to produce
a tool that has been invaluable to many it is *NOT* up to you to take
this attitude when one specific point does not work. It is not as if
the result causes anything to change: the value generated is simply
ignored.

 

[Steven K]

If someone, entirely in his spare time, but out of the goodness of his
heart, decides to use his deep inner knowledge of the system to produce
a tool that has been invaluable to many it is *NOT* up to you to take
this attitude when one specific point does not work. It is not as if
the result causes anything to change: the value generated is simply
ignored.

Alex, it *IS* up to me to complain about a lousy attitude not fixing (minor)
bugs - this particular bug is a 5 minutes job to fix - there is NO excuse
not to do it, or even better, stubbornly refusing to do it. Do you have a
problem seeing my overall point in this story? It's not just about
powertoys. If you guys at MS don't care about the software quality u release
to the public, just release your buggy source code and some people will be
able to fix it themself, NO?! Alex, don't make a fool of yourself by
defending an absolutely unacceptable "software service" attitude especially
when we're talking about the biggest software company on this planet. On a
side note, writing lines of code in your *spare time*, or even outside MS
business hours, does not entitle anyone to just not fix the bugs. Is it
really this complicated to understand the very basic fundamentals of
providing (decent) software services?! U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E!

Steve

 

[Kelly]

Most welcome and glad to hear it, Steve. )

As for Raymond making the change(s), the process is bit more than simply
changing a value.
The steps involved take great amounts of time.

Other than having to re-code, re-compile and regress test, the
testing process involved to insure that the change(s) works on all
applicable platforms can take weeks. Please note, that this process
depends on how many testers are willing and can find free time to give
up for this effort.

Once this is done the paperwork associated with having anything
(modified or not) available for download on microsoft.com can take weeks as
well. In
one recent case, the changes took up to six months (due to the lack of
devoted time being available).

That said and as Alex stated, it doesn't do any harm as is, it just doesn't
work as expected.
But hey, that is just one out of how many, for how many versions and for how
many years....??? <w>

 

[Steven K]

Most welcome and glad to hear it, Steve. )

As for Raymond making the change(s), the process is bit more than simply
changing a value.
The steps involved take great amounts of time.

Other than having to re-code, re-compile and regress test, the
testing process involved to insure that the change(s) works on all
applicable platforms can take weeks. Please note, that this process
depends on how many testers are willing and can find free time to give
up for this effort.

Once this is done the paperwork associated with having anything
(modified or not) available for download on microsoft.com can take weeks
as well. In
one recent case, the changes took up to six months (due to the lack of
devoted time being available).

That said and as Alex stated, it doesn't do any harm as is, it just
doesn't work as expected.
But hey, that is just one out of how many, for how many versions and for
how many years....??? <w>

Thx, Kelly, reading what's all involved I do wonder, but it gives me an idea
why everything takes so terribly long at Microsoft. )
Great to see, at least a few people still agree with my (admittedly)
old-fashioned attitude of providing software services. I don't want to feel
you r doing it just for me, no, that wasn't my mission - everyone here will
benefit from a little change of attitude in the Microsoft camp.
Hope it will last...

 

[Kelly]

You are most welcome, but in part this was just for you. )

However, if this will change the view point for other users, even better.
If you look at the big picture, why would this process seem any different
from any other business/organization?

On a more serious note, Raymond does this on his free time <just as many
others do>, and it does bother me when folks dump on those only trying to
help. Microsoft does host TweakUI, but does not support it. Power to
Raymond for getting that far!