Browsers again

[Jonathan Wolgamuth]

In message on 02 Feb
2005, El Gee said to all at alt.comp.freeware

Webturbotax will not open in Firefox. The site will only open for IE
and Netscape. Moz nor Firefox will open it. I had to do my taxes this
year in... IE (Please do not pull my ACF membership!)

Opened for me--a bit of a delay, but it opened and rendered just fine.

http://www.turbotax.intuit.com/welcome/internalcobrand/live.htm?
source=turbotaxcom

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[Barney]

Fuzzy Logic <[email protected]> had
written

I'd take another look at Avant (Avast is an AV product). It will
take you at most 5 minutes to disable any features you are not
interested in. They have just released a new version. I love this
program and it's just over 1MB.

I downloaded Avant a hour ago. Not bad features untill it froze on
me. I did tell my Scotty dog (Win Patrol) that Avant (MIE) is not to
take possesion of my computer. Maybe this new Browser wants to be
king of the hill. Perhaps I have to better train Avant! It's almost
close to FF.

 

[elaich]

I am finding more and more sites which do not function correctly on
Firefox/Mozilla. Although I have been a fan of these from the start my
patience is wearing thin. The announcement that FF 1.1 is to be
delayed leads me to look for an IE shell, in the meantime. I have used
Maxthon and Avast and although they are good, they are full of stuff I
don't want or need AND I know that I can tweak them down to what I
want, but I 'don't want'.
What I _do_ want (even if temporarily) is an IE shell with tabs, ad
blocking and pop-up blocking - and nothing else!!
(NOT Opera please)

As long as you're willing to accept the inherent security risks of using
IE in any form. New exploits are found constantly. I'll keep my Firefox
even though a few pages don't function correctly. It's the fault of the
pages anyway, not Firefox.

Even if an exploit is found in Firefox, it's fixed immediately. Microsoft
has to be threatened with legal action before they'll do anything.

 

[Wald]

I had a bigger problem with Thunderbird. Is it a RAM hog?

In my experience, not more than Firefox.

When I opened
the Thunderbird, opening and closing other programs slowed to a crawl.
I uninstalled it the same day I downloaded it.

That's strange. I've been running TBird at home and at work for about a
year now, without problems like these. I must add that I'm running Win2K. I
can imagine that running it on Win98/Me would give more problems...

Still prefer Outlook/Hotmail over any POP mail.

TBird is not a replacement for Outlook, rather for Outlook Express. Now for
the Hotmail part: that I can't understand I've got some GMail invites
left, want one? ;-)

Regards,
Wald

 

[Jim Scott]

| Oops, I am using Avant just now (and Avast) and you are right it can be
| castrated, which I have done. I will have a look at Slimbrowser Lite as
| well.

Stick with Avant ;o) (tis my favourite too)

I think perhaps you are right )
Now I have to work out whether to stick with Thunderbird or go back to
Outlook with Spambayes?

 

[Steven Burn]

| I think perhaps you are right )
| Now I have to work out whether to stick with Thunderbird or go back to
| Outlook with Spambayes?

Prefer OE myself (but thats just me)

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Keeping it FREE!

 

[Jim Scott]

| I think perhaps you are right )
| Now I have to work out whether to stick with Thunderbird or go back to
| Outlook with Spambayes?

Prefer OE myself (but thats just me)

How do you control Spam?
I don't really like K9, Spampal and that family of things that work as
proxies in front of OE. Spambayes is not intrusive, but I have never tried
to see if it works with OE. I also need a calendar and am currently using
Sunbird as a stand-alone.
I sometimes think that having Outlook/Office and not using it is like
keeping a Rolls in the garage and running 3 different Skodas.

 

[Steven Burn]

| How do you control Spam?

I've just setup OE to auto-delete e-mails that contain certain words/phrases (much easier IMHO) such as "bank", "porn", "v1a", "viag" ec etc (takes a bit of time initially, but saves time in the long run), then just delete everything in the deleted items folder (there's probably one or two legit e-mails that have been filtered that shouldn't have, but thats a risk worth taking if it saves trawling through a ton of spam). I used to use K9 but stopped using it as it kept interfering with one of my other programs.

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www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

 

[El Gee]

In message on 02
Feb 2005, El Gee said to all at alt.comp.freeware


Opened for me--a bit of a delay, but it opened and rendered just fine.

http://www.turbotax.intuit.com/welcome/internalcobrand/live.htm?
source=turbotaxcom

Made a liar of me. I cannot open it at home with Mozilla, but it opened
fine with Firefox. Maybe it is the Multizilla extension. who knows ?




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[Cousin Stanley]

| I had a bigger problem with Thunderbird.
|
| Is it a RAM hog?

Using ....

o Debian GNU/Linux
o Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9

Reading this NewsGroup with Thunderbird open & at idle,
the Linux top command here shows %MEM for Thunderbird
at 26.7 % ....

I have 192 MB of memory ....

[ 192 MB ] x [ 0.267 ] ---> ( 51.26 MB )

That seems to be rather oink-ish, memory-wise ....

I'd be curious to know what others find ....

 

[REM]

Cousin Stanley <[email protected]> wrote:

Using ....

o Debian GNU/Linux
o Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9

Reading this NewsGroup with Thunderbird open & at idle,
the Linux top command here shows %MEM for Thunderbird
at 26.7 % ....

I have 192 MB of memory ....

[ 192 MB ] x [ 0.267 ] ---> ( 51.26 MB )

That seems to be rather oink-ish, memory-wise ....

I'd be curious to know what others find ....

Thunderbird version 0.7 (20040616), Win XP, 1 gig of ram:

18,000k

I use it for mail only. I don't think that matters, but it might. I
have plenty of e-mail messages stored that it must store into memory.

 

[Dewey Edwards]

As long as you're willing to accept the inherent security risks of using
IE in any form. New exploits are found constantly. I'll keep my Firefox
even though a few pages don't function correctly. It's the fault of the
pages anyway, not Firefox.

When I have to put up with this, I use the "ieview" extension.
Opens IE for that site only.

 

[wald]

Reading this NewsGroup with Thunderbird open & at idle,
the Linux top command here shows %MEM for Thunderbird
at 26.7 % ....

I have 192 MB of memory ....

[ 192 MB ] x [ 0.267 ] ---> ( 51.26 MB )

Thunderbird version 0.7 (20040616), Win XP, 1 gig of ram:

18,000k

I use it for mail only. I don't think that matters, but it
might. I have plenty of e-mail messages stored that it must
store into memory.

In my case, it tends to vary quite a lot. I've typically got TBird
running all day, using it for email only, checking 6 accounts, and
here's the situation right now:

Thunderbird version 1.0 (20041206), Windows 2000, 512 MB RAM:
43184 kb.

After restart: 26396 Kb.

Regards,
Wald

 

[Aaron]

I don't have a link, but I tried to order at Barnes and Noble and
there was no button to submit the order showing. Needless to say I had
to switch to IE to order it. Bummer. Netscape 7.2 is full of crap,
though it does have a built in popup stopper, but it seems to function
much better than FF/Moz based stuff.

Netscape 7.2 = Mozilla 1.7.2 + branding + plugins. There should not be any
difference at all, except for the plugins which you can install seperately.

In fact mozilla 1.7.2 and hence netscape 7.2 has a couple of known security
problems, that have being fixed in later versions of Mozilla, currently
1.7.5.

 

[Aaron]

Made a liar of me. I cannot open it at home with Mozilla, but it opened
fine with Firefox. Maybe it is the Multizilla extension. who knows ?

I'm pretty sure it is. I used to have all sort of problems with opening
different kinds of links depending on which version of TBE I was using. I
believe it's the same with any large extension that affects tab browsing.

Failure to render the page properly is another matter though

 

[El Gee]

I'm pretty sure it is. I used to have all sort of problems with
opening different kinds of links depending on which version of TBE I
was using. I believe it's the same with any large extension that
affects tab browsing.

Failure to render the page properly is another matter though

It was not a failure to render for me, it was a web page telling me I
had an unsupported browser and I had to upgrade to Netscape or IE.
First time I have had that happen...I am not going to give up my
Multizilla for one stinking site.


Thanx for you input.


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[elaich]

Failure to render the page properly is another matter though

Once again, "failure to render the page properly" is NOT the fault of
Firebird or Mozilla - it's the failure of page builders to use compliant
code. They've been getting away with it for years because IE was made too
"stupid" to recognize it. As the number of Firefox/Mozilla users increase,
they will come under more pressure to build pages correctly. As users, we
should harrass them constantly when we come across this problem. I should
not have to go back to an insecure, stone age browser because some
developer is too *&^%$# lazy to use HTML code properly. I also should not
have to use a page that demands IE - this is stupidity and arrogance by the
owner.

It's just another instance of Microsoft's monopoly and blind arrogance.
Thankfully, developers of browsers like Firefox and OSes like Linux are
beginning to rattle their tree a bit.

As far as tax software is concerned, I use Taxcut, NOT Turbo Tax and
Firefox works just fine with it.

 

[Jim Scott]

Once again, "failure to render the page properly" is NOT the fault of
Firebird or Mozilla - it's the failure of page builders to use compliant
code. They've been getting away with it for years because IE was made too
"stupid" to recognize it. As the number of Firefox/Mozilla users increase,
they will come under more pressure to build pages correctly. As users, we
should harrass them constantly when we come across this problem. I should
not have to go back to an insecure, stone age browser because some
developer is too *&^%$# lazy to use HTML code properly. I also should not
have to use a page that demands IE - this is stupidity and arrogance by the
owner.

OR alternatively IE is forgiving enough to allow some latitude in rendering
without 'sulking'.
It reminds me of the tale of the machine gun which was so good that all the
bullets went through the same hole. Perfect but not much use in practice.
I suspect that far fewer programmers worked on IE than are currently
producing nightlies of a browser that still does not work as well, and
barely works at all without numerous extensions and plug-ins.
I makes one wonder how single programmers can produce a shell like Avant
which makes IE work better than FFox, without extensions and smaller too.

 

[Haggard the Horrendous]

I am finding more and more sites which do not function correctly on
Firefox/Mozilla. Although I have been a fan of these from the start my
patience is wearing thin. The announcement that FF 1.1 is to be delayed
leads me to look for an IE shell, in the meantime. I have used Maxthon and
Avast and although they are good, they are full of stuff I don't want or
need AND I know that I can tweak them down to what I want, but I 'don't
want'.
What I _do_ want (even if temporarily) is an IE shell with tabs, ad
blocking and pop-up blocking - and nothing else!!
(NOT Opera please)

Dunno. Tried the tax site and PCUSA and both opened just fine (and
quickly) in Mozilla. W98SE.

 

[El Gee]

<snip>

Avant has a big flaw, unless I am missing a setting. The windows open
up funny when you open a new tab New windows only open inside the main
Avant window, making it not much fun to work with.

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