Bring back XP

U

Unsatisfied

I'm sure there are other users out there who share the same feeling as I do
about Vista compared to XP. In my opinion XP is far more stable!

I recently borrowed my friend's laptop to fix it. It was 2 months old, with
Vista on it.
He was fed up with it so he decided to downgrade to XP. I couldn't believe
how hard it would be to do that. I had to call Microsoft for support, waited
40 min on the line and finally the customer service rep told me the version
my friend has was not able to do that using the same liscence key. They
wouldn't explain how to do it. Instead he recommended that I buy a liscence
for Windows XP and try installing it again and if I had trouble, call back
for support.

I refuse to upgrade to Vista myself since all I hear is problems from my
friends.
But when Microsoft stops making updates for XP and I start getting problems,
I think I will be switching to Mac. So unless Microsoft improves their
customer service and OS, I'm sure more and more users will be switching over.
 
R

Richard in AZ

Do you feel better now that you have vented your anger?
If you feel qualified to install, or down grade to, XP, you should have known that you would need an
XP license key.
You should have also checked with the laptop manufacturer's site to see if they even made hardware
supported by XP.
Most Vista problems are user induced. If you have a specific problem, describe it and you will get
help on these newsgroups.
If you have the money for a MAC, go there and stop bothering us.
 
S

smlunatick

I'm sure there are other users out there who share the same feeling as I do
about Vista compared to XP. In my opinion XP is far more stable!

I recently borrowed my friend's laptop to fix it. It was 2 months old, with
Vista on it.
He was fed up with it so he decided to downgrade to XP. I couldn't believe
how hard it would be to do that. I had to call Microsoft for support, waited
40 min on the line and finally the customer service rep told me the version
my friend has was not able to do that using the same liscence key. They
wouldn't explain how to do it. Instead he recommended that I buy a liscence
for Windows XP and try installing it again and if I had trouble, call back
for support.

I refuse to upgrade to Vista myself since all I hear is problems from my
friends.
But when Microsoft stops making updates for XP and I start getting problems,
I think I will be switching to Mac. So unless Microsoft improves their
customer service and OS, I'm sure more and more users will be switching over.

With the release of Windows 7 on October 22, Vista is "supposed" to
"disappear." Windows 7 will have a "Windows XP" emulator and both
Business / Ultimate will have downgrade rights to Windows XP Pro.
 
T

Tom Willett

Don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out. Let us know how happy you are
with MAC when you start to install the many programs that only work with
Windows ;-)

: I think I will be switching to Mac. So unless Microsoft improves their
: customer service and OS, I'm sure more and more users will be switching
over.
 
B

BillW50

In Unsatisfied typed on Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:50:01 -0700:
I'm sure there are other users out there who share the same feeling
as I do about Vista compared to XP. In my opinion XP is far more
stable!

I recently borrowed my friend's laptop to fix it. It was 2 months
old, with Vista on it.
He was fed up with it so he decided to downgrade to XP. I couldn't
believe how hard it would be to do that. I had to call Microsoft for
support, waited 40 min on the line and finally the customer service
rep told me the version my friend has was not able to do that using
the same liscence key. They wouldn't explain how to do it. Instead he
recommended that I buy a liscence for Windows XP and try installing
it again and if I had trouble, call back for support.

I refuse to upgrade to Vista myself since all I hear is problems from
my friends.
But when Microsoft stops making updates for XP and I start getting
problems, I think I will be switching to Mac. So unless Microsoft
improves their customer service and OS, I'm sure more and more users
will be switching over.

Actually Microsoft promised XP support till 2014. And that might get
extended too. Since 70% plus of all Internet users are running XP.

And once Microsoft ends support, it won't bother me anyway. As I will
keep on using it. And security updates don't mean much to me, since I
have third party security software for that anyway and EWF. This netbook
for example, hasn't had an update since June 2009. As they take up too
much room on this 4G SSD. And they are not worth the space they take up.
 
A

Anteaus

This newsgroup isn't frequently read by MS staff, so no point in making a
complaint here.

That said, Vista is slow, but not as diabolical as some would make out.
(From a clean install it runs OK on a 1GHz P3 with 750MB RAM, a spec which
most XP users wouldn't accept these days) A great number of troubles with
Vista computers are down-to crappy preinstalled antivirus or 'Internet
security suites.' I suspect that when Windows 7 hits the shelves the
sparkling perfomance us beta-testers have seen will likewise vanish once all
the OEM junk gets loaded onto it.

It might also be surmised that the apparent superiority of MacOS and Linux
to Windows may in part be due to the freedom from preinstalled crap which
these platforms enjoy.

IMHO the best thing MS could do to improve their own image would be to ban
preinstalled sofware other than essential drivers. Now that they have an AV
offering of their own, there is no reason NOT to do so.
 
H

HeyBub

Unsatisfied said:
I'm sure there are other users out there who share the same feeling
as I do about Vista compared to XP. In my opinion XP is far more
stable!

I recently borrowed my friend's laptop to fix it. It was 2 months
old, with Vista on it.
He was fed up with it so he decided to downgrade to XP. I couldn't
believe how hard it would be to do that. I had to call Microsoft for
support, waited 40 min on the line and finally the customer service
rep told me the version my friend has was not able to do that using
the same liscence key. They wouldn't explain how to do it. Instead he
recommended that I buy a liscence for Windows XP and try installing
it again and if I had trouble, call back for support.

I refuse to upgrade to Vista myself since all I hear is problems from
my friends.
But when Microsoft stops making updates for XP and I start getting
problems, I think I will be switching to Mac. So unless Microsoft
improves their customer service and OS, I'm sure more and more users
will be switching over.

You should have known:

* Microsoft does NOT support OEM versions of its operating system.
* That it may NOT be possible to downgrade a laptop to XP inasmuch as
hardware-specific drivers may not exist.
* License keys are version-specific. A license key for Vista will not work
for XP, and indeed, the license key you have will not work on a retail
version of Vista.

Had you known any of these three items of common knowledge, you could have
saved yourself a forty-minute 'phone call - and a forty-minute rant.
 
M

milt

Unsatisfied said:
But when Microsoft stops making updates for XP and I start getting problems,
I think I will be switching to Mac. So unless Microsoft improves their
customer service and OS, I'm sure more and more users will be switching over.

Oh yeah, good luck with that. Be prepared to spend about 1500+ for the
computer. I don't see people leaving Windows in droves because Microsoft
refuses to support a 6 year old OS. Apple won't even support their
MACHINES that are 6 years old! All they will tell you to do is buy a new
computer.
 
T

The Seabat

Try this for getting rid of all that crap that comes pre-installed or
just cluttering up new computers. I've used it on older systems, also.
Especially helpful if you re-install the OS from the hidden partition
and it puts all that demo/time limited/money seeking back onto your
hard drive. It's no install and it's FREE!

http://pcdecrapifier.com/home
 
D

db

what you were trying to do is
downgrade the operating system
which can't be done automatically
and as easy as upgrading an o.s.

in order for you to install xp you
would have to format the hard drive
to remove all files of the newer o.s.

that way the older o.s. (well not that
old) won't have any issues with setup.



--
db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
- @Hotmail.com
- nntp Postologist
~ "share the nirvana" - dbZen

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
V

VanguardLH

Unsatisfied goes on a venting binge:
He was fed up with [Vista] so he decided to downgrade to XP. I couldn't believe
how hard it would be to do that. I had to call Microsoft for support, waited
40 min on the line and finally the customer service rep told me the version
my friend has was not able to do that using the same liscence key. They
wouldn't explain how to do it. Instead he recommended that I buy a liscence
for Windows XP and try installing it again and if I had trouble, call back
for support.

So you don't know how to downgrade from Vista to XP yet you complain
that it's Microsoft fault that you don't know. YOU chose to be the
admin of your OS installation. If you don't have the qualifications
then bribe or pay someone who is qualified. Do you dismantle your car's
engine without the knowledge to do so. Having the tools doesn't make
you a wizard. Being able to run setup.exe doesn't make you a wizard.

Only certain editions of Vista have downgrade rights to XP. See:

http://download.microsoft.com/downl...cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf

You don't get 2 licenses of Windows, one to use for Vista and another to
use with XP, when downgrading. You still get just 1 license. You use
whatever XP install media you can find (Microsoft doesn't supply it),
complete the install of XP, but to activate it means having to do the
phone-in to tech support to validate the product. It is when you call
in that you announce you are performing an downgrade. You give them
your product key from a qualifying Vista edition and they give you a
product key to complete the validation of the XP install.

They told you that your "friend" doesn't have the necessary edition of
Vista that includes downgrade rights to XP. How did your friend or you
even know Vista had downgrade rights? When you heard about it, you
didn't investigate how to do it and what editions of Vista qualified for
a downgrade? Just the Business and Ultimate editions of Vista will
qualify for downgrades to XP.

The above assumes that you have a retail version of Vista (and XP). If
not, you didn't pay for support from Microsoft. OEM versions don't
include Microsoft support. That's why they are cheaper (and why OEMs
try to sell you service contracts). You'll have to contact the OEM'er
who is supposed to provide their own mechanisms for downgrades from
Vista to XP.
I refuse to upgrade to Vista myself since all I hear is problems from my
friends.

Are these friends also equivalent "wizards" like you? Vista can be very
stable. Depends on the user using it and how they screw it up after
getting it (along with any crapware the OEM'ers put on it). Are these
friends the types that don't bother to research if their existing
applications - and especially the hardware drivers - are compatible with
the next newer version of Windows? Or are they like most users that
just slap on the new OS and hope for the best? You know, the type that
think they can be Windows admins simply because they can start and
possibly complete the install but haven't even bothered to read a
Dummies book about Windows.
But when Microsoft stops making updates for XP and I start getting problems,
I think I will be switching to Mac.

Are there equivalent MAC applications for all your PC applications? Why
consider just Apple's offerings. Since they moved to a Linux-based OS,
why not look at all possible Linux alternatives? You could even use
VirtualPC or VMWare Server to experiment and train on those Linux
alternatives while still using Windows.

Please, the claimed threat of moving away from Windows is so obviously
vacuous that it makes you look foolish. Rare few that have made the
claim actually honor it. As soon as they realize that they have to
learn a wholly different OS, lose any expertise they had before with a
prior OS, and find that they lose apps that they really want to use, so
they don't switch. There is a lot of inertia to overcome for typical
(i.e., non-wizard) users to move to a different OS and then a lot of
resistance encountered after moving to get back to an equivalent
software configuration. Games alone is often a factor that prevents
users from moving away from Windows.

There are more Linux users that also use Windows. They don't drop Linux
to move to Windows. They merely add Windows to their portfolio of
operating systems that accomplish the tasks they need to perform.
So unless Microsoft improves their customer service and OS, I'm sure
more and more users will be switching over.

Well, do you actually pay for support from Microsoft? You don't if you
buy OEM versions. You only get 2 incident reports included in the
purchase of retail versions. Thereafter you pay for more support from
Microsoft. So what has been you actual experience when you PAID for
support from Microsoft?

Many users already use multiple different operating systems. You decide
what tasks you need to perform and then what applications can perform
those tasks and lastly choose the OS that supports those applications.
Picking an OS and then finding out if it supports the apps that can
perform your tasks is ass-backwards logic. You're backing up through
the door to only then discover what you can find after entering.
Instead look forward knowing what you want to do and look at the doors
that offer a means to do what you want.

You're on Windows because YOU chose to be. Based on your post, and
especially from the uneducated vacuous threat, you will CONTINUE using
Windows.
 
J

John John - MVP

Anteaus said:
IMHO the best thing MS could do to improve their own image would be to ban
preinstalled sofware other than essential drivers. Now that they have an AV
offering of their own, there is no reason NOT to do so.

No good reasons? How about the DOJ and the EU and the various antitrust
laws that prohibit anti-competitive behaviour? What's next, the
electric utility starting up an appliance company and then using their
clout to tell builders and contractors which appliances they can use to
furnish new houses with?

If people don't like pre-installed crapware they shouldn't be asking
Microsoft to (attempt to) wield a sledge hammer against it, they should
be complaining to the PC manufacturers, the manufacturers are
responsible for this, it has nothing to do with Microsoft.

This "ban" you propose wouldn't make it out of the starting gate and
rightly so! As much as I detest crapware and all these useless programs
that computer vendors preinstall I could never support what you propose.
Support these kinds of self serving initiatives and next someone will
ask us to ban free speech because they don't like some of the things
that they hear...

John
 
B

BillW50

In John John - MVP typed on Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:47:28 -0300:
No good reasons? How about the DOJ and the EU and the various
antitrust laws that prohibit anti-competitive behaviour? What's
next, the electric utility starting up an appliance company and then
using their clout to tell builders and contractors which appliances
they can use to furnish new houses with?

If people don't like pre-installed crapware they shouldn't be asking
Microsoft to (attempt to) wield a sledge hammer against it, they
should be complaining to the PC manufacturers, the manufacturers are
responsible for this, it has nothing to do with Microsoft.

This "ban" you propose wouldn't make it out of the starting gate and
rightly so! As much as I detest crapware and all these useless
programs that computer vendors preinstall I could never support what
you propose. Support these kinds of self serving initiatives and
next someone will ask us to ban free speech because they don't like
some of the things that they hear...

John

Hello John! I discovered by accident that the Recovery disc that came
with my two Gateway MX6124 laptops ('06 era) has another secret
installation. As I didn't like having that silly recovery partition on
the hard drive eating up about 6GB of space on those 60GB hard drives. I
upgraded them later, but that is something else. ;-)

So I deleted the recovery partition (your Windows now won't boot, which
is okay). Used a partition Manager to expand the partition to use the
whole drive. Now when you run the Recovery disc, two options pop up
instead of one. And the new one is to install Windows XP without the
crapware, nor recreates the recovery partition. Although it must see the
old Windows XP on the partition (even though it doesn't boot), or this
second option doesn't show up. Yes I tested it with a formatted drive.

And this second option installs the stock XP without any crapware,
drivers, etc. on this one single partition (totally non-branded). And
everything that was on this partition is gone. And you must install the
drivers all individually. This Recovery disc was made by PC Angel for
Gateway. And even the System Properties no longer states Gateway for
support, but lists it as Generic with no contact information.

I don't understand why this is kept as a big secret? I have never seen
any documentation on this at all. And I wonder if some other recovery
discs also includes such a hidden installation of Windows?

I haven't tested this idea, but maybe running \i386\winnt32.exe also
installs Windows in a non-branded form with most recovery discs. I know
it bypasses the can't install an older version of Windows problem when
you use Setup.exe.
 
D

DEFENDER01

I run Vista and XP
which one is best well i have no problem with either Vista was slow
until the service pack 1 came along but now its fine.
i guess its like comparing them to an old pair of boots so XP will feel
better as we have all got to know it we should it has been around long
enough.
 

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments. After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.

Ask a Question

Similar Threads

Upgrade 3
downgrade license 7 to XP 7
Now Java says this: 3
Downgrade from Vista to XP Procedure 4
Complaining does pay off. 6
Upgrading an OS, changing an OS, Downgrading an OS? 7
A new day :-) 4
xp in notebook 5

Top