Boot Up time question

[L. Peter Stacey]

What is a reasonable time for Win 2000 to boot up?
I have moved from 98SE recently to a Intel 333 PC with RAID (three HD's) and
the system takes about 5 min. to boot up. I originaly thought that must be
normal but now wonder if that is so and what/ how can I speed this up.

Thanks for any assistance, Peter Stacey

 

[John John]

What service pack are you running on? There is an issue with drive or
partition enumeration that can cause slow boot that was fixed with sp4.
Roxio software can also cause slow boots. Any errors showing in the
Event Viewer? Paste them here maybe someone can help, without that info
it's a bit like poking around in the dark.

John

 

[L. Peter Stacey]

Thanks for your response John.
I am running Win 2K with patch 4 build 2195. The system also has SCSI as
well as RAID is PII 333.

The Application Log info for today is as follows:
Type Date Time Source Category
Event User Computer
Information 25/11/2004 7:07:51 AM SceCli None 1704
N/A LPS-W2K
Information 25/11/2004 7:07:43 AM EvntAgnt None 2018 N/A
LPS-W2K
Information 25/11/2004 7:07:40 AM WMDM PMSP Service None 105 N/A
LPS-W2K
Information 25/11/2004 7:07:20 AM Avg7UpdSvc None 1 N/A
LPS-W2K

The System Log info for today is:
Type Date Time Source
Category Event User Computer
Information 25/11/2004 7:50:28 AM Automatic Updates Installation 17
N/A LPS-W2K
Information 25/11/2004 7:10:40 AM RemoteAccess None 20158
N/A LPS-W2K
Warning 25/11/2004 7:08:33 AM Dhcp None
1007 N/A LPS-W2K
Information 25/11/2004 7:07:45 AM SNMP None 1001
N/A LPS-W2K
Information 25/11/2004 7:07:14 AM eventlog None
6005 N/A LPS-W2K
Information 25/11/2004 7:07:14 AM eventlog None
6009 N/A LPS-W2K

Unfortunately it all means little to me :-(
Thank you for your interest and help.
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What service pack are you running on? There is an issue with drive or

partition enumeration that can cause slow boot that was fixed with sp4.
Roxio software can also cause slow boots. Any errors showing in the

Event Viewer? Paste them here maybe someone can help, without that info

it's a bit like poking around in the dark.

John

and the system takes about 5 min. to boot up. I originaly thought that must
be normal but now wonder if that is so and what/ how can I speed this up.

 

[John John]

Ok... Let's start by cleaning that up a bit to see what we have here, it
will help others help us.

AppLog:
Type Time Source Category Event
Information 7:07:51 SceCli None 1704
Information 7:07:43 EvntAgnt None 2018
Information 7:07:40 WMDM PMSP Service None 105
Information 7:07:20 Avg7UpdSvc None 1

Not too much out of the usual there. SceCli can cause slow logons but
for the time being we'll leave that aside, it's a bit of a "non event"
in most cases and is quite normal to see in the log.

Not for me to tell you how to run your pc but you should consider
whether or not you really want WMDM PMSP Service to start automatically.
It's a Windows Media Player thing that in my opinion does next to
nothing other than opening security holes on your pc and consume
resources for nothing. You could set it to "manual" start. Make sure
you have the security patches for Media Player. I'm also not a big fan
of "AutoUpdates" of any kind starting when I boot my pc, I AM NOT
recommending that you turnoff your AVG Auto Update feature but you could
temporarilly turn it off to troubleshoot the slow boot, eliminate it as
a possible cause for now. Now for the System log...

Syslog:
Type Time Source Category Event
Information 7:50:28 Automatic Updates Installation 17
Information 7:10:40 RemoteAccess None 20158
Warning 7:08:33 Dhcp None 1007
Information 7:07:45 SNMP None 1001
Information 7:07:14 eventlog None 6005
Information 7:07:14 eventlog None 6009

A few questions here. Is this box on a network? What does the
"Warning" say on Dhcp event 17? (Right click on it the click on
"Properties" and paste the contents of the Description box).

I'm also not sure that I understand your "move from 98SE". What do you
mean? Same box? OS Upgrade? Or OS clean install?

John

 

[L. Peter Stacey]

John.

I don't need the automatic updates feature, am happy to do this manualy.

The PC is a former server from an office enviroment but I have re-installed
W2K from scratch. My referece to "have moved from 98SE recently to a Intel
333 PC" is just that Win 2K is a new envioroment and I am totaly unfamiliar
with it. e.g. in Win 98SE I would have used BLA.exe (Boot Log Analiser) to
analise my start up system.

At the moment the W2K PC is cable (Lan) connected to my other PC which runs
Win 98SE. That PC (Celeron 400) was/is? My main machine but have HD problems
so am trying to recover data from it, that is why the two PC's are connected
at present.

Thanks for your assistance. Peter Stacey

Ok... Let's start by cleaning that up a bit to see what we have here, it
will help others help us.

AppLog:
Type Time Source Category Event
Information 7:07:51 SceCli None 1704
Information 7:07:43 EvntAgnt None 2018
Information 7:07:40 WMDM PMSP Service None 105
Information 7:07:20 Avg7UpdSvc None 1

Not too much out of the usual there. SceCli can cause slow logons but
for the time being we'll leave that aside, it's a bit of a "non event"
in most cases and is quite normal to see in the log.

Not for me to tell you how to run your pc but you should consider whether

or not you really want WMDM PMSP Service to start automatically. It's a
Windows Media Player thing that in my opinion does next to

nothing other than opening security holes on your pc and consume resources

for nothing. You could set it to "manual" start. Make sure you have the
security patches for Media Player. I'm also not a big fan

of "AutoUpdates" of any kind starting when I boot my pc, I AM NOT

recommending that you turnoff your AVG Auto Update feature but you could
temporarilly turn it off to troubleshoot the slow boot, eliminate it as

a possible cause for now. Now for the System log...

Syslog:
Type Time Source Category Event
Information 7:50:28 Automatic Updates Installation 17
Information 7:10:40 RemoteAccess None 20158
Warning 7:08:33 Dhcp None 1007
Information 7:07:45 SNMP None 1001
Information 7:07:14 eventlog None 6005
Information 7:07:14 eventlog None 6009

A few questions here. Is this box on a network? What does the "Warning"

say on Dhcp event 17? (Right click on it the click on "Properties" and
paste the contents of the Description box).

I'm also not sure that I understand your "move from 98SE". What do you

mean? Same box? OS Upgrade? Or OS clean install?

 

[L. Peter Stacey]

John.

I don't need the automatic updates during startup am happy to do this
manualy.

The PC is a former server from an office enviroment but I have installed W2K
from scratch. My reference to "I have moved from 98SE recently to a Intel
333 PC with RAID" was just to say that I am not familiar with W2K's
operation. With Win 98SE I would have used BLA.EXE (Boot Log Analiser) to
see what was holding things up during startUp.

However at the moment it is cable (Lan) connected to another PC which runs
Win 98SE. That PC (Celeron 400) was/is? My main machine but have HD problems
so am trying to recover data from it that is why the two PC's are connected
at present.

Thanks for your help, Cheers from "Down Under" Peter Stacey.

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[John John]

Ok, but you didn't tell me what the "Warning" on Dhcp event 1007 says.
My suspicion is that its a NIC configuration or network protocol issue
that causes the long boot. Why the SNMP? Did you set that to start at
boot to trap network errors or to monitor the network?

Also, paste a list of the running processes (from Task Manager) when you
boot the pc, there might be something to remove in there. I take it
that the POST boot is relatively fast but that the Windows one is slow,
right?

John

PS: You can enable boot logging if you want by pressing F8 when Windows
starts to load and selecting the option.

 

[JM]

quoting:

What is a reasonable time for Win 2000 to boot up?
I have moved from 98SE recently to a Intel 333 PC with RAID (three HD's) and
the system takes about 5 min. to boot up. I originaly thought that must be
normal but now wonder if that is so and what/ how can I speed this up.

Thanks for any assistance, Peter Stacey

On a AMD K62 550mhz, which is like a Pentium 2 at 233mhz - about 2 1/2
minutes from when I press the power button, to the desktop displaying and
hard drive activity settles down.

 

[L. Peter Stacey]

John
The Dhcp message is as follows:
Your computer has automatically configured the IP address for the Network
Card with network address 0000212562A6. The IP address being used is
169.254.97.242.

No idea why the SNMP item is listed, not done by me deliberately.

How can I copy/paste the Task manager list?
Thanks for your help John.
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Ok, but you didn't tell me what the "Warning" on Dhcp event 1007 says.
My suspicion is that its a NIC configuration or network protocol issue
that causes the long boot. Why the SNMP? Did you set that to start at

boot to trap network errors or to monitor the network?

Also, paste a list of the running processes (from Task Manager) when you

boot the pc, there might be something to remove in there. I take it that
the POST boot is relatively fast but that the Windows one is slow, right?

 

[John John]

When you boot the pc it's looking for a Dhcp server for IP assignment,
as it can't find a dhcp server it uses Automatic TCP/IP Addressing and
gives you the warning message (Dhcp event 1007) that it configured the
NIC to an address in the reserved range 169.254.0.0 - 169.254.255.255.
This might be a useful feature when setting up a network but it is
unnecessary overhead on such a small network. In my opinion you might
be better off manually assigning TCP/IP addresses, this would turn off
Automatic addressing. Use addresses that are not in the 169.254 range
something like 60.70.80.1 for one machine and 60.70.80.2 for the other
would be fine. Use as few protocols as absolutely necessary. I would
think that you would only need TCP/IP protocol. I can't understand why
SNMP would've stuck itself as an automatic start item. I've seen print
servers that sometimes ask if you want to use it for error reporting but
that is about it, even if you don't enable it the print server usually
runs just fine without SNMP. You could try setting SNMP to "Manual
Start". I'm no expert on these matters so I hope someone else can
provide more assistance for you on that subject. This article may help:

How to Use Automatic TCP/IP Addressing Without a DHCP Server
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q220874/

How to copy/paste the Task manager list? That's a darn good question.
I just don't know how to do it right from Task Manager but you can save
it to text via compmgmt.msc. The Computer Management Console is
accessible via the Control Panel "Administrative Tools" or by typing
compmgmt.msc in the Start>Run dialogue box. Expand >System
Information>Software Environment and click on "Running Tasks". Then
from the action menu you can export or save the list as a text file.

VERY IMPORTANT!!! Did you make an Emergency Repair Disk? If not make
one right now! If you're going to be turning services on and off to try
to get a faster boot time an ERD may come in handy if things get out of
hand.

John