Best drive image software?

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Joe Starin

What software would you recommend for cloning the hard drives of 4 different
Windows computers in my family, located in three different states? I'd like
to purchase one program, install it on all four PC/laptop units, and have
the software periodically clone the hard drive (and update changed files) of
these four machines onto an external hard drive. I could install the
software when the children bring their laptops home from college, then send
them on their way with the installed SW and an external hard drive each.
Some are FAT-32; some are NTFS.

I know this topic has been covered before. But I've read all the Acronis,
Symantec, etc. reviews and simply get more confused. My WD external hard
drive came with Memeo software, but I find it difficult to use and will not
purchase it now that the 30-day free trial has expired. Any solid opinions
welcome. Thanks. Joe
 
B

Big_Al

Joe said:
What software would you recommend for cloning the hard drives of 4 different
Windows computers in my family, located in three different states? I'd like
to purchase one program, install it on all four PC/laptop units, and have
the software periodically clone the hard drive (and update changed files) of
these four machines onto an external hard drive. I could install the
software when the children bring their laptops home from college, then send
them on their way with the installed SW and an external hard drive each.
Some are FAT-32; some are NTFS.

I know this topic has been covered before. But I've read all the Acronis,
Symantec, etc. reviews and simply get more confused. My WD external hard
drive came with Memeo software, but I find it difficult to use and will not
purchase it now that the 30-day free trial has expired. Any solid opinions
welcome. Thanks. Joe
I like Acronis. However its the only imaging program I've use, yet it
does everything I want. Backup, clone, image, repartition on restore,
restore files, restore image. Before this I used 'Backup My PC', and
older copy that was just file copies. I've always just re-installed
software/apps. I like ATI now, its so simple.

I also use robocopy (a robust command line copy) for a daily backup of
mail and a few minor settings to a flash drive, then weekly or bi-weekly
the ATI backup to external HD.

You know, ATI has a 15 day free trial and I've heard the newer version
12 is a bit nicer looking, I still use version 9 (got it for 9.95). I'm
not sure about the multi-system licensing however.
 
X

Xandros

Joe Starin said:
What software would you recommend for cloning the hard drives of 4
different Windows computers in my family, located in three different
states? I'd like to purchase one program, install it on all four PC/laptop
units, and have the software periodically clone the hard drive (and update
changed files) of these four machines onto an external hard drive. I could
install the software when the children bring their laptops home from
college, then send them on their way with the installed SW and an external
hard drive each. Some are FAT-32; some are NTFS.

I know this topic has been covered before. But I've read all the Acronis,
Symantec, etc. reviews and simply get more confused. My WD external hard
drive came with Memeo software, but I find it difficult to use and will
not purchase it now that the 30-day free trial has expired. Any solid
opinions welcome. Thanks. Joe



I have been creating system images for well over 10 years and in that time
have tried most of the popular apps. Acronis TrueImage is my choice.
 
J

Joe Starin

Okay, so the score so far is TrueImage "3" and everything else "0." And at
least one of you says ATI is simple to use. I'm somewhat PC savvy, but my
college kids need fast and simple. Thanks very much for the quick and
detailed replies. (Boy, that ATI version 9 for $9.95 sure look sweet
<grin>). Joe
 
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Dave Cohen

Joe said:
What software would you recommend for cloning the hard drives of 4 different
Windows computers in my family, located in three different states? I'd like
to purchase one program, install it on all four PC/laptop units, and have
the software periodically clone the hard drive (and update changed files) of
these four machines onto an external hard drive. I could install the
software when the children bring their laptops home from college, then send
them on their way with the installed SW and an external hard drive each.
Some are FAT-32; some are NTFS.

I know this topic has been covered before. But I've read all the Acronis,
Symantec, etc. reviews and simply get more confused. My WD external hard
drive came with Memeo software, but I find it difficult to use and will not
purchase it now that the 30-day free trial has expired. Any solid opinions
welcome. Thanks. Joe

Some of the external hd's come with backup software, my daughter's
Maxtor drive did, both image and file backup. Sufficient for normal use,
the file backup will schedule updates.
For stand alone imaging, Acronis is popular.
Dave Cohen

Dave Cohen
 
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JS

Joe,

I'm using Norton's Ghost (an older version) without any problems.
So I'm at this point the only vote for Ghost.

I tried to contact Acronis for information about their product but they
are extremely slow to reply and not very helpful, so check out their
Tech support before you buy.

JS
http://www.pagestart.com
 
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Thee Chicago Wolf

Okay, so the score so far is TrueImage "3" and everything else "0." And at
least one of you says ATI is simple to use. I'm somewhat PC savvy, but my
college kids need fast and simple. Thanks very much for the quick and
detailed replies. (Boy, that ATI version 9 for $9.95 sure look sweet
<grin>). Joe

It's simple and does the job. The price can't be beat for commercial
software.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
 
J

Joe Starin

True, Dave. My Western Digital extermal hard drive came with Memeo software
that I must now buy since the 30-day trial ran out. I'm not crazy about
it -- would rather put the money into something else. Joe

iiout it, so l;m not crazy that I dodnt much care for, so I, searching for
soomething betterMy
 
A

Anna

Joe Starin said:
Okay, so the score so far is TrueImage "3" and everything else "0." And at
least one of you says ATI is simple to use. I'm somewhat PC savvy, but my
college kids need fast and simple. Thanks very much for the quick and
detailed replies. (Boy, that ATI version 9 for $9.95 sure look sweet
<grin>). Joe


Joe:
Well, not exactly...

Make that 3 to 1, at least for now...

The disk-cloning program we strongly recommend is the Casper 5 program. We
too have worked with a large variety of disk-to-disk cloning programs over
the years and we find the Casper program significantly superior to the
others, including the Acronis True Image program. Please understand I am not
demeaning the ATI program - many users (and you've heard from a few) find it
entirely suitable as a disk-cloning & disk-imaging program and by all means
you should try it out using Acronis's trial version. But we feel the Casper
program is superior for most PC users.

You say your "college kids need fast and simple". That's perfectly
understandable and surely desirable features for a disk-cloning program. And
those features are hallmarks of the Casper 5 program. Learning & using the
program is extraordinarily easy with this program - we've taught
10-year-olds how to use the program in less time in minutes than their age
in years. There's virtually no "learning curve" of any consequence and the
program goes about its business, i.e., cloning the contents of one HDD to
another HDD, quickly & flawlessly based upon our experience with hundreds of
PC systems and disk-cloning operations over the past three years or so that
we've been working with the Casper program.

But the truly supreme advantage of the Casper program as compared with other
disk-cloning programs that we're familiar with, e.g., Acronis True Image or
Symantec's Norton Ghost, among others, is its ability to create
*incremental* disk clones following the creation of the original (first)
disk clone. Employing what Casper calls its "SmartClone" technology the
program can create subsequent disk clones of the source HDD usually at a
fraction of the time it takes to create a "full" disk clone. This results in
a decided incentive for the user to undertake frequent complete backups of
his or her system knowing that they can create "incremental" disk clones in
a relatively short period of time. Understand that these "incremental" disk
clones that are created are *complete* disk clones - a true copy of the
"source" HDD that was cloned at that point in time. No "restoration" process
is necessary; the clone is a clone is a clone.

I cannot emphasize the usefulness of the preceding feature enough. Too many
users balk at using their disk-cloning program with any degree of frequency
because of the time it takes for the program to complete its disk-cloning
operations. Consequently they do not maintain as up-to-date backup system as
they should since they'll let days or weeks pass before undertaking the next
disk-cloning operation. Casper overcomes this disadvantage through its
"SmartClone" technology noted above. To give you a concrete example of how
this works...

Three days ago I cloned the contents of a HDD that contained about 25 GB of
data. During the past three days changes of course were made affecting the
data - the more-or-less usual kinds of data changes we PC users invariably
make involving file & program additions, changes, deletions, etc. I just
cloned that HDD again. It took three (3) minutes to complete the
disk-cloning operation. Three minutes. With any other disk-cloning program
(at least those I'm familiar with) it would have taken just about the same
time in minutes as it took for the original disk-cloning operation, maybe 30
to 45 minutes, perhaps even longer.

But there may be one or more downsides to the Casper program as it relates
to your particular situation. First, you've indicated a requirement that the
program be able to "update changed files". If you mean you need this
capability on a "real-time" basis, i.e., there would be a need for the
program to *automatically* (without user intervention) copy any file to
another HDD when the file contents have been changed, Casper does not have
this capability. I'm not aware of any disk-cloning program that does.
Incidentally, I should add at this point that Casper is capable of
scheduling the disk-cloning operation on a daily, weekly, or other time
period selected by the user.

Perhaps a more important potential negative in your case would be the cost
of the program. You've indicated a need to install the program on four PCs.
Casper does have a "Value Pack" pricing ($69.95) for the program but it
covers only three PCs. Single licenses cost $49.95 + $9.95 for the "Startup
Disk" (program to create a bootable CD containing the program). The Startup
Disk is a necessary adjunct to the program.

Anyway, a trial version of the program is available so give it a try. It's
slightly crippled but should give you an idea of whether it meets your
needs.

BTW, one other suggestion...

Regardless of what program you eventually settle on, consider purchasing USB
external enclosures that are designed for 2 1/2" (laptop) hard drives and,
of course, 2 1/2" drives for those enclosures. By so doing should your
children's internal laptop HDD become defective and need replacement they
will have such at hand that includes the cloned contents of their internal
HDD. While you could purchase a commercial "one-piece" USBEHD containing a 2
1/2" drive, it frequently becomes difficult, if not near-impossible to
remove the disk from the enclosure without damage to one or the other
component. And of course there would be warranty issues. Anyway, something
to consider.
Anna
 
L

Louis Rost

I've used Acronis TrueImage version 10 and 11 on XP systems, version
11 on Vista system. Also used Norton Ghost version 10 on XP systems
and version 12 on Vista and XP systems. Both products do a reasonable
job of backing up and restoring full system images which is what I
prefer to do.

I prefer Norton Ghost over TrueImage. I have encountered a few
problems with every version of TrueImage(automatic scheduling, backing
up to a network drive, validating after a backup) and no problems
with either version of Norton Ghost. Both versions of Norton Ghost
does a better job of validating after a backup assuming you keep
multiple backups on the same directory.

Lou
 
J

Joe Starin

Thanks for the replies, everyone. One final question on terminology: My goal
is to clone/image/copy/back up everything on a Windows XP laptop to a larger
external hard drive. (1) If the original (source) hard drive becomes
corrupt, I want to be able to wipe it clean and restore that drive to the
way it was using the external drive. (2) If the original hard drive fails, I
want to be able to transfer/restore my backed up info (everything) from the
external drive onto the new laptop hard drive. "Backing up" every week or so
is fine -- no need for "real time" backups. I hope my terminology (whether
correct or incorrect) didn't mislead anyone as they posted replies. Joe
 
L

Louis Rost

You can accomplish your goals using either Norton Ghost or Acronis
TrueImage.

For the reasons previously stated, my personal choice would be Norton
Ghost.

Lou
 
B

Big_Al

Joe said:
Thanks for the replies, everyone. One final question on terminology: My goal
is to clone/image/copy/back up everything on a Windows XP laptop to a larger
external hard drive. (1) If the original (source) hard drive becomes
corrupt, I want to be able to wipe it clean and restore that drive to the
way it was using the external drive. (2) If the original hard drive fails, I
want to be able to transfer/restore my backed up info (everything) from the
external drive onto the new laptop hard drive. "Backing up" every week or so
is fine -- no need for "real time" backups. I hope my terminology (whether
correct or incorrect) didn't mislead anyone as they posted replies. Joe
In my opinion, this might be simplifying things a bit, but I want to say
clone is for duplicating a drive onto another so you can replace it.
The clone operation copies the entire drive to another and makes it
bootable etc.
An image is for backup, it makes a file that contains all the data
needed to rebuild a drive. But its just a file. And many of them can
be put on another drive. Thus making it great for backup.

Why you use an image to rebuild or repair a drive is the same. You
reload an image you replace whatever was there with all the data that
was in the image. You can restore just single files too, but restoring
the whole image rebuilds the drive either because of defective software
or hardware.
 
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JS

You would do an "Image Backup" (Not a Clone) of your laptop's hard drive to
the external drive.
I would not delete the last image backup, but instead would keep at least
the last 3 or 4 image backup files on the external drive.

JS
http://www.pagestart.com
 
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Dave Cohen

Joe said:
True, Dave. My Western Digital extermal hard drive came with Memeo software
that I must now buy since the 30-day trial ran out. I'm not crazy about
it -- would rather put the money into something else. Joe

iiout it, so l;m not crazy that I dodnt much care for, so I, searching for
soomething betterMy
I too have the WD, didn't try to use their software (I have my own). The
Maxtor software isn't a trial version although there maybe an upgrade.
Dave Cohen
 
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Guest

Joe said:
What software would you recommend for cloning the hard drives of 4 different
Windows computers in my family, located in three different states? I'd like
to purchase one program, install it on all four PC/laptop units, and have
the software periodically clone the hard drive (and update changed files) of
these four machines onto an external hard drive. I could install the
software when the children bring their laptops home from college, then send
them on their way with the installed SW and an external hard drive each.
Some are FAT-32; some are NTFS.

I know this topic has been covered before. But I've read all the Acronis,
Symantec, etc. reviews and simply get more confused. My WD external hard
drive came with Memeo software, but I find it difficult to use and will not
purchase it now that the 30-day free trial has expired. Any solid opinions
welcome. Thanks. Joe
A successful backup strategy goes WAY beyond the choice of program.
Saying, "backup a windows computer" is like saying, "I need a flashlight
battery". There are several kinds of flashlights, each with their own
battery types/issues.
Specifically, VISTA has issues. XP has issues.

WHY do you want to backup?
I backup to recover from malware, lost files, failed installs, M$
upgrade funnies.

I don't need to backup my audio/video collections every day. I don't
need to image anything that can be easily reinstalled. I don't need a
gigabyte
of Streets and Trips on every backup. I don't need a gigabyte of MSDN
on every backup. My objective is to have the "C" drive image fit on a
DVDRW...worked until Vista.

So...

Make a small "C" partition. I used 8GB. Plenty of room for apps.
(had to go to 16GB for VISTA when the bloat exceeded 8GB)
Plenty of space for working files. Disk image fits on a DVDRW if you
cleanup tempfiles, empty the trash, blow away old restore points before
you start.
Make a directory tree for personal files. I never put anything I want
to keep in the "documents and settings" tree. Put it in its own
tree so you can copy it to D: with one click...and to a flash drive.

Install BIG programs like MSDN, GAMES, music collections, Mapping
programs onto the "D" partition. The only things you want on "C"
are things that you can't recover...read things M$ roadblocked for THEIR
protection...sorry for any inconvenience.

The older FREE versions of Acronis7 and 8 can boot from a CD and create
a "C" disk image onto the "D" partition quite easily. Copy the image
to a DVD or backup directly to DVD periodically to safeguard against
complete
disk failure.
Also supports imaging directly to many USB drives. Problem I had was
that the driver didn't support USB2 for onboard ports. Makes it
painfully slow.
PCI NEC-chip USB2 ports worked fine at high speed.
So, I just backup to "D" and copy to DVD from windows, which does support
high speed usb2 for onboard ports.

Win2k works great. I've had issues with restoring XP because you may
have to boot the recovery console from the XP cd and run fixboot
to get the restore to boot. Vista always fails to boot, but will
automagically fix itself
from the recovery console...there's even a vista recovery console download
that fits on a CD for those systems without a DVD.
It's an extra restore step, but how often do you do it?

Copy all the other stuff on the D partition to alternative media as
frequently as you think necessary. You don't need stuff that can be
easily reinstalled. Most of it is already compressed anyway. An
"image" of the "D" partition is rarely a benefit.


The objective is to make it so EASY to backup that it gets done.
If you're backing up 100GB onto CD, it won't get done.

But that's not the whole story.
In a school environment, theft or damage to a laptop is a great concern.
They're gonna steal the backup drive too.
One of the "genuine advantages" of M$ software is that the image from
your stolen computer probably won't run on your replacement computer.
"sorry for any inconvenience..."

Independent backup of personal files in a second location is critical.

Are we having fun yet?
 
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Joe Starin

Great info, spamme0. I'll need to read this over a few times to digest it.
So, you're essentially saying forget creating a backup image and just back
up the stuff you need, right? Would that be easier or more difficult for (1)
me of decent, but not deep, PC knowledge and (2) my college children who
certainly won't put much time into making backups. (All four of us run clean
computers, though, with good protection against viruses, malware, etc.)

To answer your question, my overall goal is to have apps, files, etc. saved
somewhere in case of a computer HD malfunction, and be able to easily turn
the failed PC back to the state it was after installing/repairing a new HD
or other component.

Thanks for the reply. Joe
 

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