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[Greg Maxey]

Mr. Daniels,

I don't mind answering your questions while you avoid mine. However, I'll
answer with another question. Why would I suppose you did? Given your
propensity to offer your opinion in areas where you are only marginally
familiar with subject, your silence on this subject until after three other
people had posted gave the appearance that you are not an expert in this one
and that you didn't know. As for books on the subject, there are books on
the subject of VBA (nails and hammers as you call it) as well, even beginner
books. Still I feel safe in supposing that you don't know much of anything
about that either.

Back to my question that you avoided. If you didn't post to help, then why
did you post? You have left those who "may" wonder to suppose that you
where simply continuing a fight that you picked with me almost two years
ago. I have no interest in fighting with you. I do seek a change in your
arrogant manner and behavior and I encourage you to apologize to the Word
community for the offenses you have given past and present.

Enough of all of that though. Your diatribe is not wasted and perhaps we
can all learn something. Word MVP Tony Jollans in separate correspondence
has graciously explained that the internal measurement unit within Word is a
unit called a "twip" which equals 1/20th of a point. So the, presumably
accurate (it too is rounded), 85.0397 is further rounded to 85.05 (85 and
one twentieth) points. This rounding, partly at least, explains why some
fine adjustments cannot be made, or appear not to 'take'.

Break

Terry,

While 3 cm can be entered directly into the field or set programmatically,
the display remains in points and the precise actual space can either be
spot on or something very close that Word works out internally based on its
measurement unit called a twip. If your student were someone else's student
he or she should now be armed to impress ;-)


--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

Why would you suppose that I did not know that if you type a
measurement in a box, specifying a unit other than what the box is set
for, Word will substitute the value for which the box is set?

It seems a fairly basic bit of knowledge (found in the opening pages
of any basic Word book) that anyone who's dealt with any sort of
internationalization would be aware of.

 

[Peter T. Daniels]

Mr. Daniels,

I don't mind answering your questions while you avoid mine.  However, I'll
answer with another question. Why would I suppose you did? Given your
propensity to offer your opinion in areas where you are only marginally
familiar with subject, your silence on this subject until after three other
people had posted

You are _really_ desperate for something to get nasty about, aren't
you! Terry's question was posted at 7:54 am, and the three responses
were posted at 8:15 and 8:16. (They probably became available to me
about 8:30.) On Mondays and Thursdays I have to leave the house by
8:15 to move the car for street cleaning, so I stop looking at
newsgroups around 7:45; and since it's bad for the engine to just
drive around the block, I do errands on those mornings. When I return,
I check the newsgroups to see if anything had been posted in the
previous two hours or so. On this occasion I came across Terry's
thread, which contained two nearly identical postings of the familiar
solution and one that suggested a rather baroque way of achieving the
same result that imposed a number of unnecessary steps on the user.
Since I had just withstood a spate of your usual abuse, I took the
opportunity to return -- not the abuse, but a response suggesting that
you take a bit of your own medicine and refrain from posting about
things you don't understand. (Though it does seem rather strange that
a supposed power user of Word didn't know that Word automatically
converts measurements.)

gave the appearance that you are not an expert in this one
and that you didn't know.  As for books on the subject, there are bookson
the subject of VBA (nails and hammers as you call it) as well, even beginner
books.  Still I feel safe in supposing that you don't know much of anything
about that either.

Back to my question that you avoided.  If you didn't post to help, thenwhy
did you post?  You have left those who "may" wonder to suppose that you
where simply continuing a fight that you picked with me almost two years
ago.  I have no interest in fighting with you.  I do seek a change inyour
arrogant manner and behavior and I encourage you to apologize to the Word
community for the offenses you have given past and present.

When you say that you have no interest in fighting, you are simply
lying.

You stand poised over the newsgroup to pounce on any (usually
mistakenly) perceived error and reprint your boilerplate abuse.

Yet you do not post abuse against anyone else who makes a (perceived)
error.

Once again, you harp on what you perceived as "picking a fight" two
years ago. All that happened two years ago was that you posted a rude
remark in response to an innocent query, and I questioned whether it
was appropriate for someone in a position of authority (the position
granted by the initials "MVP" that you recently renounced) to be rude
to an innocent poster.

You apparently stewed over this for more than a year, bringing it up
in some other context, when it had long been forgotten by everyone but
yourself.

Grow up.

Enough of all of that though.  Your diatribe is not wasted and perhaps we
can all learn something.  Word MVP Tony Jollans in separate correspondence
has graciously explained that the internal measurement unit within Word is a
unit called a "twip" which equals 1/20th of a point.   So the, presumably
accurate (it too is rounded), 85.0397 is further rounded to 85.05 (85 and
one twentieth) points.  This rounding, partly at least, explains why some
fine adjustments cannot be made, or appear not to 'take'.

The fineness of measurement permitted by Word is very coarse in almost
every case -- point sizes in increments of .5, etc. Coming from
FrameMaker, where every measurement can be entered to three decimal
places, I found this crude indeed -- and in most cases, even two
decimal places are beyond Word's capacity.

 

[Greg Maxey]

The only thing of substance that rises to the top of this childish tirade
and in a round about way is, "Yes, I was continuing a fight." Glad that is
cleared up.



Amongst the other white noise, including your rather boring Monday and
Thursday schedules, you whine about perceived abuses and fuss over why it is
only you that gets abused.



Read some of your own posts Mr. Daniels. Brace yourself though. The sense
of superiority and raw unbridled arrogance many of them contain may shake
you to your very hollow core. If you can stand them and if as you read, try
to imagine how your delivery is perceived by other people. If you do then
surely the fog will lift. You will see that the perceived abuse is not over
your errors or mistakes, but your manner and delivery. You will understand
why changing your behavior remains a worthwhile cause.



We have yet to hear from Terry, but in view of the discussion and replies to
his post, I have no doubt that typing "3 cm" in the UI is the answer for
what his student is trying to do. I concede that without whining or
protest.



Still, the answer to the question asked is no. Spacing before or after
paragraphs are displayed in points and set in twips. This is true
regardless which valid unit of measure is entered via the UI or set
programmatically. The hammers and nails illustrate the approximation and
Tony Jollans provided and explanation of the rounding.



I am now going to leave this particular field because I see no need to
remain. Up to this point you are doing a fantastic job of pointing out in
yourself the very arrogance and misbehavior that I often challenge. You are
spanking yourself so to speak. Next perhaps you will be arguing with
yourself and calling yourself names.



Cheers.