Back up critical application

[Paul H]

The application can only be used on one PC at a time. The procedure to move
it involves getting some sort of "remove" code from them, then applying it
to disable the application. Once the disable has been confirmed somehow, a
new code is sent to me to let the re-installed application operate on the
new computer. My install CD's are around here somewhere, but since I cannot
use their process, I don't need the CD's. Even if I pay them over $5k to
get my 6 year old license's support caught up to date, they will never make
my version work on Vista, or do any support other than helping me move it.
Their products are excellent, and their methods of getting $ are superb.
And, yes, to me, this old irreplaceable version is "some damned good
software". So the Acronis option that Lem described will (I hope) be
terrific!

Others have mentioned that the application vendor should help me move
the
application. They have a scheme that prevents moving it to a
different
computer without their help.

I don't know about other posters, but I never suggested that the vendor
should help you move the application. I'm sure you can do it yourself
without their help. In another post, you stated, "I originally paid
about $4,000 for it, and it did not have a time limit." If there is no
time limit *and* if the license does not tie it to only one PC *in
perpetuity*, then you should be able to uninstall it from your laptop
(or format the laptop's hard drive, which would have the same outcome)
and use the correct installation media to install it to the new PC. I am
not sure what you mean by "scheme." Is there some sort of online
activation? If you were to obtain the installation media, what would
happen if you were to install the program to a different PC? The
installation media for that particular version *does* exist! If this
mystery company won't provide it (which is just plain wrong on their
part), then I'm sure you can find it elsewhere.

Keep in mind: the above is accurate as long as this software isn't a
certain type of OEM software that is tied to one specific PC in
perpetuity (similar to the OEM versions of Windows, Office, and Nero).
If it *is* that type of OEM software, then you may not move it to
another PC. Even, if you figure out a way to do it, you would be in
violation of the license agreement you signed onto. For $4,000, that
better be some damned good software to have that limitation!

 

[Daave]

The application can only be used on one PC at a time. The procedure
to move
it involves getting some sort of "remove" code from them, then
applying it
to disable the application. Once the disable has been confirmed
somehow, a
new code is sent to me to let the re-installed application operate on
the
new computer. My install CD's are around here somewhere, but since I
cannot
use their process, I don't need the CD's. Even if I pay them over $5k
to
get my 6 year old license's support caught up to date, they will never
make
my version work on Vista, or do any support other than helping me move
it.
Their products are excellent, and their methods of getting $ are
superb.
And, yes, to me, this old irreplaceable version is "some damned good
software". So the Acronis option that Lem described will (I hope) be
terrific!

What is the reason you "cannot use their process"? Do you mean that it
would cost you $5,000 to uninstall the program from one PC, obtain the
"remove" code and apply it, obtain a new code, and install it another PC
(albeit, one with XP apparently)? Like I said, if a process like that
will cost you $5,000 (and if people -- perhaps not you -- willingly pay
that price), that must be some damned good software!

Just to clarify: You are not trying to somehow get this old version to
work on Vista, merely to get it to work on another PC with XP, correct?

That program that Lem mentioned (Acronis Universal Restore) sounds
promising. If you don't mind, please let us know how it will have worked
for you.

 

[Twayne]

Hi Paul,

I might have to eat some of my own words here,
because I came across something that appeared to
do what you need in order to move your program to
another set of hardware.
I dropped them a line, and here's their
response followed by my question. I think it
addresses what your'e trying to do, but I have no
experience of any kind to validate it. I suggest
you check out storagecraft.com yourself of course
and verify this maybe via their tech support. It's
called ShadowProtect.

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That is exactly what it does. I am not technical
so I don't know how it
does it but I have seen it done several times. If
you would like to
discuss please call our sales office (888)
455-5041

StorageCraft


-----Original Message-----
From: X
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:30 PM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: ShadowProtect Q

Hi,

The verbiage for Shadow Protect seems to indicate
that a backup can be Restored to different
hardware than the original machine that the backup
was done on.

Am I reading that right?
It occurs to me that the registry and system
files from one machine is going to be entirely
different than the registry/system file
requirements for a different machine. How, then,
can the program Restore to a computer different
from the original one that was backed up?

Specifically, I refer to:
=========
Bare metal recovery of Windows desktop and
laptops in minutes.
* Restore or migrate backup images to and
from physical systems and virtual environments
(P2V, V2P and V2V).
* Hardware independent restore of backup
images to different systems (P2P).
========

That appears to say, for instance, that should I
buy a replacement computer B, that I could use the
backup from my old computer A to Restore to
Computer B and that I would end up with a
functional, complete, operational OS on computer
B.

Is that correct? Or am I trying to read too much
into it? If so, it's certainly a novel approach!

TIA,

Twayne

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Regards,

Twaune

 

[Unknown]

One cravat?????? One tie-------??????

One cravat, you are not guranteed that your os will boot on a new system,
once restored. There is a possibility you can do a repair install before
you
boot to the newly restored hd, but you must have the install cd (hopefully
slipstreamed with the latest service packs and updates) of XP, good luck
with
that.

 

[Paul H]

Hi Daave - I doubt that anyone will pay that amount. My situation is
probably unique, but important to me. I'll let you know if I succeed,
either with Acronis or StorageCraft that Twayne mentioned. My optimism is
growing. I'm waiting for an answer from Acronis.

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The application can only be used on one PC at a time. The procedure
to move
it involves getting some sort of "remove" code from them, then
applying it
to disable the application. Once the disable has been confirmed
somehow, a
new code is sent to me to let the re-installed application operate on
the
new computer. My install CD's are around here somewhere, but since I
cannot
use their process, I don't need the CD's. Even if I pay them over $5k
to
get my 6 year old license's support caught up to date, they will never
make
my version work on Vista, or do any support other than helping me move
it.
Their products are excellent, and their methods of getting $ are
superb.
And, yes, to me, this old irreplaceable version is "some damned good
software". So the Acronis option that Lem described will (I hope) be
terrific!

What is the reason you "cannot use their process"? Do you mean that it
would cost you $5,000 to uninstall the program from one PC, obtain the
"remove" code and apply it, obtain a new code, and install it another PC
(albeit, one with XP apparently)? Like I said, if a process like that
will cost you $5,000 (and if people -- perhaps not you -- willingly pay
that price), that must be some damned good software!

Just to clarify: You are not trying to somehow get this old version to
work on Vista, merely to get it to work on another PC with XP, correct?

That program that Lem mentioned (Acronis Universal Restore) sounds
promising. If you don't mind, please let us know how it will have worked
for you.

 

[Paul H]

THANK YOU TWAYNE! StorageCraft is going to get my business. read PC Mag's
review - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254460,00.asp - Speed, does
what I need, incremental backups while I work, Windows based (not Linux),
etc. A bargain at $79.

I'll report back, under this response, when I've used it.

Thanks, everybody. Paul

====================

Hi Paul,

I might have to eat some of my own words here,
because I came across something that appeared to
do what you need in order to move your program to
another set of hardware.
I dropped them a line, and here's their
response followed by my question. I think it
addresses what your'e trying to do, but I have no
experience of any kind to validate it. I suggest
you check out storagecraft.com yourself of course
and verify this maybe via their tech support. It's
called ShadowProtect.

====== START ===========

That is exactly what it does. I am not technical
so I don't know how it
does it but I have seen it done several times. If
you would like to
discuss please call our sales office (888)
455-5041

StorageCraft


-----Original Message-----
From: X
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:30 PM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: ShadowProtect Q

Hi,

The verbiage for Shadow Protect seems to indicate
that a backup can be Restored to different
hardware than the original machine that the backup
was done on.

Am I reading that right?
It occurs to me that the registry and system
files from one machine is going to be entirely
different than the registry/system file
requirements for a different machine. How, then,
can the program Restore to a computer different
from the original one that was backed up?

Specifically, I refer to:
=========
Bare metal recovery of Windows desktop and
laptops in minutes.
* Restore or migrate backup images to and
from physical systems and virtual environments
(P2V, V2P and V2V).
* Hardware independent restore of backup
images to different systems (P2P).
========

That appears to say, for instance, that should I
buy a replacement computer B, that I could use the
backup from my old computer A to Restore to
Computer B and that I would end up with a
functional, complete, operational OS on computer
B.

Is that correct? Or am I trying to read too much
into it? If so, it's certainly a novel approach!

TIA,

Twayne

====== END ==========

Regards,

Twaune

 

[C.Joseph Drayton]

No, it would not work on any other computer but
the one you currently have, Paul. XP per sae isn't
the problem.
The problem is that the registry is never the
same from computer to computer, especially with
laptops, and whether the machine would even boot
up using another's registry is very unlikely.
It's not your program, it's the registry issues.
AFAIK there is no way, 3rd party or otherwise that
can accomplish what you are trying to do
automacitally.
You need to relocate the original CD the
application came on, or a copy of it, or upgrade;
those are about your only options.
Since you don't even have a copy of that/those
CD/CDs I suspect you have no backup process in
place either. The program could be the least of
your worries.
I have to wonder how one would not backup a $4000
program.

Twayne

Actually, the OP could take an image of the existing drive
and install it on another hard disk for another computer.
What he will then need to do is a 'Repair Install'. This
will correct his drivers to run with the new machine without
losing any of his installed software. Note though that the
OP will need to make sure that when he does the image that
he has copying the MBR turned on also.

The OP should also note that he can only do a 'Repair
Install' with a system disk. A restore disk will not do a
'Repair Install'

Sincerely,
C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T

CSD Computer Services

Web site: http://csdcs.site90.net/
E-mail: (e-mail address removed)90.net

 

[Unknown]

You have been eating your words on many occasions here.

 

[Twayne]

THANK YOU TWAYNE! StorageCraft is going to get

my
business. read PC Mag's review -
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254460,00.asp
-
Speed, does what I need, incremental backups
while I
work, Windows based (not Linux), etc. A bargain
at $79.

I'll report back, under this response, when I've
used it.

Please do; I and likely others are pretty
interested in the outcome.

Twayne

 

[Twayne]

Actually, the OP could take an image of the
existing drive
and install it on another hard disk for another
computer.
What he will then need to do is a 'Repair
Install'. This
will correct his drivers to run with the new
machine
without losing any of his installed software.
Note though
that the OP will need to make sure that when he
does the
image that he has copying the MBR turned on
also.

The OP should also note that he can only do a
'Repair
Install' with a system disk. A restore disk will
not do a
'Repair Install'

Sincerely,
C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T

CSD Computer Services

Web site: http://csdcs.site90.net/
E-mail: (e-mail address removed)90.net

I suspect you're probably right in many cases.
I've gone that route once myself though and it
failed pretty miserably. There just weren't
enough similarities inthe hardware, I think, to
make the trip. It wasn't a task for the
inexperienced as it turned out.

Regards,

Twayne

 

[Twayne]

You have been eating your words on many

occasions here.

lol, well, twice in recent memory anyway. What's
wrong: Jealous I can do something you can't? All
one has to do is not be a blathering a**hole like
you and add a little honesty to the mix.

Twayne

 

[Unknown]

That's exactly what you've been 'a blathering a**hole'. Tell us more about
your registry cleaner.

 

[Paul H]

THANK YOU TWAYNE! StorageCraft is going to get my business. read PC Mag's
review - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254460,00.asp - Speed, does
what I need, incremental backups while I work, Windows based (not Linux),
etc. A bargain at $79.

I'll report back, under this response, when I've used it.

Thanks, everybody. Paul

====================

Please do; I and likely others are pretty interested in the outcome.

Twayne

====================

Well, the speed part is true. I backed up in a little over 20 minutes to a
300 gig USB drive. The last time I backed up to the same drive, using
backup software that came with the drive, took hours.

====================

 

[Paul H]

Hi Paul,

I might have to eat some of my own words here, because I came across
something that appeared to do what you need in order to move your program to
another set of hardware. [snip] I suggest you check out StorageCraft.com
yourself of course and verify this maybe via their tech support. It's called
ShadowProtect.

====================

THANK YOU TWAYNE!

StorageCraft is going to get my business. read PC Mag's
review - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254460,00.asp - Speed, does
what I need, incremental backups while I work, Windows based (not Linux),
etc. A bargain at $79.

I'll report back, under this response, when I've used it.

Thanks, everybody. Paul

====================

Please do; I and likely others are pretty interested in the outcome.

Twayne

====================

Well, the speed part is true. I backed up in a little over 20 minutes to a
300 gig USB drive. The last time I backed up to the same drive, using
backup software that came with the drive, took hours.

====================

I think this product is terrific! It is everything PC Magazine said it is.
And their customer support is the best I've ever used! Twayne, thank you
again for this unexpectedly excellent solution for me.
Paul

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