[ATTN] Susan Bugher

[Henry The Mole]

I am available for burning and sending Pricelessware 2006 CD (Italy) and
for hosting .iso file in my webspace.

Kindly regards.

 

[Susan Bugher]

I am available for burning and sending Pricelessware 2006 CD (Italy) and
for hosting .iso file in my webspace.

Super. I don't remember if you have high speed access. Can you
download a copy of the ISO or should the file be mailed to you.

Susan
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[Michael]

Super. I don't remember if you have high speed access. Can you
download a copy of the ISO or should the file be mailed to you.

Susan

I have a 5 mbps dsl connection. I can put the file on my computer and allow
people to download it using p2p. I would prefer bittorrent, but can use
something else if it is prefered.

 

[Henry The Mole]

Hello, Susan!
You wrote on Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:54:05 -0500:

Super. I don't remember if you have high speed access. Can
you download a copy of the ISO or should the file be mailed to you.

I have a simple 56k connection, but I've a flat so no problem for
downloading it. Just a bit slow
It would be great if people that hosts .iso file has zipped it before...
maybe this could save me a few mb to download.

Regards.

 

[David]

Hello, Susan!
You wrote on Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:54:05 -0500:


I have a simple 56k connection, but I've a flat so no problem for
downloading it. Just a bit slow
It would be great if people that hosts .iso file has zipped it before...
maybe this could save me a few mb to download.

Regards.

False economy. The .ISO will compress as you are downloading it while
the .ZIP won't. Compressing on the fly generally results in a slightly
faster transmission speed.
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[Susan Bugher]

I have a 5 mbps dsl connection. I can put the file on my computer and allow
people to download it using p2p. I would prefer bittorrent, but can use
something else if it is prefered.

Hi Michael,

A BitTorrent would be great. Could you please either email the links
button: (e-mail address removed) or post your email address (munged)
so I have a way to contact you off-list.

Susan
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[Susan Bugher]

Hello, Susan!
You wrote on Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:54:05 -0500:

I have a simple 56k connection, but I've a flat so no problem for
downloading it. Just a bit slow

You are a brave man.

It would be great if people that hosts .iso file has zipped it before...
maybe this could save me a few mb to download.

I don't know if any of the other host sites plan to offer a zipped copy
of the ISO this year (there was one available last year). Will keep your
request in mind when we begin the downloads to the host sites.

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In message <[email protected]> Susan Bugher

You are a brave man.


I don't know if any of the other host sites plan to offer a zipped copy
of the ISO this year (there was one available last year). Will keep your
request in mind when we begin the downloads to the host sites.

Disk space is not an issue here, so I'd be happy to offer a compressed
version too.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Disk space is not an issue here, so I'd be happy to offer a compressed
version too.

Thanks. but. . . It's going to take Henry quite a while to download
the file. I plan to get a download link to him as quickly as possible
(even though it may not be a zipped file). I think Henry will be able to
start downloading before your site is on-line.

FWIW - the first downloads will be limited (Pricelessware site etc.) as
Steven's site will have the ONLY file and the first downloads need to go
as quickly as possible. IIRC it often takes considerable time to
*upload* the ISO after it's been downloaded. IOW - I'm not sure when
we'll be able to start round two - distribution from several sites
(that's when Henry and you will get download links). When several sites
have the file distribution to the remaining host sites/ volunteer
burners should be fairly fast.

Susan
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[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> Susan Bugher

Thanks. but. . . It's going to take Henry quite a while to download
the file. I plan to get a download link to him as quickly as possible
(even though it may not be a zipped file). I think Henry will be able to
start downloading before your site is on-line.

FWIW - the first downloads will be limited (Pricelessware site etc.) as
Steven's site will have the ONLY file and the first downloads need to go
as quickly as possible. IIRC it often takes considerable time to
*upload* the ISO after it's been downloaded. IOW - I'm not sure when
we'll be able to start round two - distribution from several sites
(that's when Henry and you will get download links). When several sites
have the file distribution to the remaining host sites/ volunteer
burners should be fairly fast.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but distributing an ISO isn't normally
that big a deal, especially with a torrent.

You don't need any complicated rollout phase, just get the .torrent up
and running on a seed, pass the .torrent out to as many people as you
can and let the torrent network do it's job.

The HTTP mirrors, burners, and everybody else can pull from the .torrent
just as easily as everybody else. The more people on the torrent, the
faster the overall transfers will go.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but distributing an ISO isn't normally
that big a deal, especially with a torrent.

You don't need any complicated rollout phase, just get the .torrent up
and running on a seed, pass the .torrent out to as many people as you
can and let the torrent network do it's job.

Haven't you skipped a step in the distribution process? How can someone
get a torrent up and running if they don't have a copy of the ISO?

Susan
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[Norman Cohen]

Is there some place a member could refer me so that I can learn the
rudiments of torrent in SIMPLE, I mean SIMPLE, I mean SIMPLE, I mean sub
moronic, terms. I do know, I think, that torrents that large files are
transmitted in pieces [from different sources (?) ] so that a download takes
a fraction of the time a file's size would otherwise dictate.

Nonetheless, I haven't the foggiest idea how to use a torrent client, how to
"seed" how to download, how to do anything with "torrent"...

Any and all sources would be welcome so long as each is elementary......Is
there a site where are actual hands on lessons how to upload and download
torrent?

 

[Franklin]

Is there some place a member could refer me so that I can learn
the rudiments of torrent in SIMPLE, I mean SIMPLE, I mean
SIMPLE, I mean sub moronic, terms. I do know, I think, that
torrents that large files are transmitted in pieces [from
different sources (?) ] so that a download takes a fraction of
the time a file's size would otherwise dictate.

Nonetheless, I haven't the foggiest idea how to use a torrent
client, how to "seed" how to download, how to do anything with
"torrent"...

Any and all sources would be welcome so long as each is
elementary......Is there a site where are actual hands on
lessons how to upload and download torrent?

Sue, PMFJI.

Norman, let me try to explain Bittorrents. I am sure others will
correct me if I have written something wrong.

--------

BACKGROUND

First some background which I have taken from
http://www.slyck.com/bt.php (acknowledgements to Slyck) and which
I have tweaked.

BitTorrent is a P2P system that makes transferring large files (or
groups of files) amongst a large group of people easy, fast and
efficient. The BitTorrent network is set up in a way that is a
little different than a normal P2P network such as FastTrack which
many people access using Kazaa.

With the BitTorrent network you really don't do any searching for
files which other users have by using the client as you would with
traditional clients like Kazaa. Rather, you go to special
websites which have lists of files available on the BitTorrent
network.

These websites listing the torrents are called "indexing sites"
and have become very popular. Their popularity has come at a cost
however as the MPAA and law enforcement agencies shut many of them
down. Luckily there is no shortage of sites to go to so long as
you know which are currently being used, as they come and go so
quickly these days.

The file that you need to get from one of these indexing sites
comes as a package called a ".torrent" file.

This file contains in it a location that tells the BitTorrent
client where to go to find the tracker that manages the uploading
and downloading of the archive. An archive is a complete set for
downloading which may include one file or many files.

Forget about seeders and leechers for now.


WHAT YOU NEED

You need to know where these indexing sites are on the web and you
need some BitTorrent software. A list of BitTorrent software (or
"clients") is at http://www.slyck.com/bt.php?page=2.

Of course everyone disagrees which client is the best, so I will
stick my neck out and suggest a beginner should start with these
two below and then try something more advanced.

(1) Sharaza http://www.slyck.com/bt.php
(not just for BitTorrent)
(2) Azureus http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
(needs Java)

Later try something like this:

(3) BitLord http://www.bitlord.com/
(rather unusually this provides a facility to
actually search for torrents)


WHAT YOU DO

For each download you first go to an indexing site. A list of
these sites can be found at http://www.slyck.com/bt.php?page=3.
here are a couple of such sites to start with:

(a) http://thepiratebay.org/
The Pirate Bay. A very large public tracker.
(b) http://torrentresource.com/
A torrent website index

Your objective in visiting one of these sites is to download a
small ".torrent" file (often not much more than about 3 KB) which
is a pointer to what you actaully want to download.

Follow the instructions on the web site you visit in order to
search for and then download the .torrent file associated with
your chosen download. Often you perform a search to locate your
chosen download then, annoyingly, you have to click something to
reveal a larger box in which there will be an option to download
the torrent file.

Then you need to launch your P2P BitTorrent client software (such
as Sharaza) and follow its instructions get the client to read or
open or import the torrent. This is not an area which software
developers have spent a lot of time on to make it easy or friendly
so you will probably need to hunt around the menus more than
usual.

When you install certain P2P software clients the installation
routine may create file associations for the ".torrent" extension.
This may mean that your client software is launched automatically
when the PC recognises what sort of file it has. For myself I
prefer to drag-&-drop or read/open/import/whatever the torrent
file because I might use one of several different clients and
don't want the same one lauching automatically every time.

After that the target download is handled automatically and
proceeds like most P2P software such as Kazaa. Some of the
BitTorrent servers or maybe the "tracker" central server (which
points to the other servers) might well be down so keep an eye on
any availability rating given on the web site when you download
your .torrent file.

------------

Be aware that firewall/antivirus software often needs tweaking to
let the BitTorrent client work properly. If this happens it might
be easier to just install a different client and try that.


SOME NEWBIE BITTORRENT RESOURCES

Another intro.
http://addict3d.org/index.php?page=viewarticle&type=news&ID=
1002 or http://tinyurl.com/amxpc

Some useful links for a newbie.
http://www.infoanarchy.org/wiki/index.php/HOWTOs

Some seriously good and well written info at all levels is at:
http://www.afterdawn.com/
The info here seems well hidden! There is most likely has a
hands-on step by step guide somewhere. Maybe start with:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/18
http://www.filepedia.com/p2p_software/

The Slyck forums are good.
http://www.slyck.com/forums/index.php

When you get bored you can browse this discussion thread!
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/05/18/1428203.shtml

Good set of BitTorrent links.
http://www.filesoup.co.uk/links/

rather useful utility to see inside a torrent file.
http://torrentspy.sourceforge.net/

Netlimiter ($$$ware!) can help manage download/upload capacity
http://netlimiter.com/

---------

That's it. Did I get the sub-moronic level right?

If I did then it probably shows I am also a sub-moron!
Now who remembers me wailing for help here t1o split an MP3
automatically? Heh!

Franklin

 

[ceg]

Is there some place a member could refer me so that I can learn
the rudiments of torrent in SIMPLE, I mean SIMPLE, I mean
SIMPLE, I mean sub moronic, terms. I do know, I think, that
torrents that large files are transmitted in pieces [from
different sources (?) ] so that a download takes a fraction of
the time a file's size would otherwise dictate.

Nonetheless, I haven't the foggiest idea how to use a torrent
client, how to "seed" how to download, how to do anything with
"torrent"...

Any and all sources would be welcome so long as each is
elementary......Is there a site where are actual hands on
lessons how to upload and download torrent?

Sue, PMFJI.

Norman, let me try to explain Bittorrents. I am sure others will
correct me if I have written something wrong.

maybe try emule

 

[MLC]

venerdì 25 novembre 2005 Franklin ha scritto:

Norman, let me try to explain Bittorrents.

[...]

This your post has been very helpful for me too, I've saved it for future
reference. Thank you Franklin!

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:56:19 -0800, "Norman Cohen"

Nonetheless, I haven't the foggiest idea how to use a torrent client, how to
"seed" how to download, how to do anything with "torrent"...

< snip >

Norman, once such a client is installed the torrent extension is
"associated" with it. Just like a text editor is "associated" with
..txt files.

When you get a torrent download link you then just click on it. When
the client opens/starts you will see a number of your questions
answered.

Regards, John.

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[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> Susan Bugher

Haven't you skipped a step in the distribution process? How can someone
get a torrent up and running if they don't have a copy of the ISO?

Once you have the original ISO created, you create a .torrent (either on
your own tracker, one of the free ones around the net, or I can probably
host a tracker too if needed)

You only need to get one copy of the ISO to one person who can create
the .torrent file (if you can't do it yourself)

Once the .torrent is created, whoever creates the .torrent file needs to
seed it, superseeder mode is good if you have limited bandwidth, the
torrent network will deal with the rest of the distribution.

Those of us willing to run torrent mirrors/seeds just first up the
..torrent file along with all the other downloaders. As my server
receives parts it will proceed to offer those parts to the rest of the
torrent network participants, the only difference is that unlike people
on slow cable/DSL lines, my server can easily push 60-90Mb/s sustained.

 

[JoeA]

"Once you have the original ISO created, you create a .torrent (either on
your own tracker, one of the free ones around the net, or I can probably
host a tracker too if needed)"

I've been downloading torrents for ages, but I get lost on this part.
Baby steps on getting the tracker and starting to seed please.

A torrent site that is clean, legal, not loaded with warez or porn
would be nice. The site should not force you to register or require you
to download their own software.
Thanks

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> JoeA

"Once you have the original ISO created, you create a .torrent (either on
your own tracker, one of the free ones around the net, or I can probably
host a tracker too if needed)"

I've been downloading torrents for ages, but I get lost on this part.
Baby steps on getting the tracker and starting to seed please.

A torrent site that is clean, legal, not loaded with warez or porn
would be nice. The site should not force you to register or require you
to download their own software.

Anyone can download and install tracker software, BNBT is simple and
easy to use (and I'd be happy to host the tracker)

No web interface is required on the tracker for things to work, although
BNBT has one.

 

[Franklin]

On Fri 25 Nov 2005 20:41:31, ceg wrote:

maybe try emule

Emule? Ugh!

Personally I find emule needs very long connection periods. I gave
up using it long ago. YMMV.

Sharaza can optionally be set to access the same eDonkey2000 network
as emule but if I get an emule download which needs me to wait then I
usually kill it.