Athlon64??


M

Majestic

Coming soon is the new Athlon 64
I have a few questions about it.

I am thinking of upgrading my system can converting everything into a 64bit system

Hardware wise...
Besides upgrading my motherboard and buying a new athlon64
do we need to buy new graphics card? sound card? or harddisk? Ram?

or we just need a driver updater for 64bit system?
do we need to find hardware which are compatible with 64bit system?


Software wise...
Maybe i can get a copy of window xp 64...
what will happen to my data now if i migrate to a 64bit system?
will moives, mp3, document be affected?

athlon 64 can also be use in a 32bit enviroment
so what happen if i am using a 32bit software in windowxp 64?
can it work? or i have to stick to everything 64bit for window xp 64


Last question...can a 2.0ghz athlon 64 be faster than a athlonxp 2400?
Quite interesting to see that AMD has nothing close to a 3.0Ghz processor.
 
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Strontium

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Majestic stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:
Coming soon is the new Athlon 64
I have a few questions about it.

I am thinking of upgrading my system can converting everything into a
64bit system

Hardware wise...
Besides upgrading my motherboard and buying a new athlon64
do we need to buy new graphics card? sound card? or harddisk? Ram?

or we just need a driver updater for 64bit system?
do we need to find hardware which are compatible with 64bit system?


Software wise...
Maybe i can get a copy of window xp 64...
what will happen to my data now if i migrate to a 64bit system?
will moives, mp3, document be affected?

athlon 64 can also be use in a 32bit enviroment
so what happen if i am using a 32bit software in windowxp 64?
can it work? or i have to stick to everything 64bit for window xp 64


Last question...can a 2.0ghz athlon 64 be faster than a athlonxp 2400?
Quite interesting to see that AMD has nothing close to a 3.0Ghz
processor.
What amazes me is that people seem to think that 64bit technology is Mecca.
It's been around, for a while, already. It's main usage being unix servers.
Why the general consumer would need it, baffles me. Yet another marketing
ploy, by the manufacturers. I doubt, very seriously, that you will have any
applications that will even use 64bit...regardless of whether the OS can
utilize it.


--
Strontium

"I thought I'd lost you, somewhere. But you were, never, really ever
there
at all.. And, I want to get free..."
 
J

JK

Strontium said:
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Majestic stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:


What amazes me is that people seem to think that 64bit technology is Mecca.
It's been around, for a while, already.
It has been around in very high priced servers. Now for the first time
it will be available in affordable desktop PCs.
It's main usage being unix servers.
Why the general consumer would need it, baffles me.
Why do we need 32 bit processors? Why not use 16 bit processors instead?
Did you enjoy using 16 bit processors? :)
Yet another marketing
ploy, by the manufacturers.
LOL!

I doubt, very seriously, that you will have any
applications that will even use 64bit..
LOL! Did you say that you doubted 32 bit applications would appear
when many were still using 16 bit processors?
 
S

Stacey

JK said:
Strontium wrote:

It has been around in very high priced servers. Now for the first time
it will be available in affordable desktop PCs.
With no usable software on the horizon..
Why do we need 32 bit processors? Why not use 16 bit processors instead?
Because all apps now are 32 bit. It took years for apps to migrate from 16
to 32 bit.
LOL! Did you say that you doubted 32 bit applications would appear
when many were still using 16 bit processors?
But why pay a SUPER premium for a platform that has no software yet? I'd
give it a year or so and see where things are at and the prices to come
down.
 
S

Strontium

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JK stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:
It has been around in very high priced servers. Now for the first time
it will be available in affordable desktop PCs.


Why do we need 32 bit processors? Why not use 16 bit processors
instead?
Did you enjoy using 16 bit processors? :)
Nope, win95 sucked my ass. However, I was mainly using MAC's back in the
day, if you must know.
LOL! Did you say that you doubted 32 bit applications would appear
when many were still using 16 bit processors?

So, let me get this straight... You feel the the OP can benefit from
64bit technology, not knowing what ehey are even intending to do with it?
More precisely, when can you justify paying for 'server grade' hardware?
Are YOU running a server? Is OP running a server? If not, this whole
discussion about 64bit technology, is useless. It benefits noone but the
people that are logging onto THOSE servers. Case (no pun) and point..It's
really irrelevent for us small gamers/users. If you're planning on
running a big ass server, let me know. Otherwise, 64bit ain't gonna be
such a goldmine, for you.
 
E

Ed Light

Athlon 64 is a desktop cpu. Opteron is the server cpu.

Opterons beat Tbreds of the same mhz.

So, we can guess that Athlon 64's will do the same.

Opteron motherboards are kind of expensive.

Athlon 64 motherboards will replace the 32 bit motherboards of today, so
should be affordable after a short period.
 
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Strontium

Read some more, Ed. You will realize just how far off that fantasy is...
Unless you have 5 grand to drop on a board and memory/processor. Then, be
my guest mr. money man :) And, then, you will have a 5 thousand dollar
box that does EXACTLY the same as MY box. Yet it 'supports' 64bit
technology. Don't hold your breath for 64bit winblows apps..... You'll
choke.



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Ed Light stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:
 
E

Ed Light

Strontium said:
64bit technology is
not NEW. It's been running our servers, for quite a while. I think OP2,
does not realize that.
You, from out there in the big big world!
 
E

Ed Light

Strontium said:
Read some more, Ed. You will realize just how far off that fantasy is...
Unless you have 5 grand to drop on a board and memory/processor. Then, be
my guest mr. money man :) And, then, you will have a 5 thousand dollar
box that does EXACTLY the same as MY box. Yet it 'supports' 64bit
technology. Don't hold your breath for 64bit winblows apps..... You'll
choke.
Oh, you homebuilt a mac for the pc group. Nice going.
 
E

Ed Light

The Barton has come out in it's last and fastest, so if you want to go
faster you'll need the 64. Maybe the first one will be $450. But in a year
and a half it will be perhaps $65 (at newegg). The XP 3000+ has already
fallen from $450 to $250, and the 2600 is only $95; the 2000 is $65.

Motherboards won't be comparable to dual-opteron server units. Perhaps the
first ones will be $150, but soon the $60 ones will turn up -- at least by
when the second chipsets come out and make the first ones older. Rather like
The nforce2 does to the KT400.

Otherwise, how could they sell a bunch of them for desktops?

The XP Athlon in the 2nd half of '04 is listed in the roadmap as "as market
requires." So, if the 64 replaces it, then it will have to sell at
competetive prices. Perhaps not in its very first months when enthusiasts
want to grab them.

This has been the irrefutable wisdom of the great binary coded sage.
 
J

JK

Strontium said:
Read some more, Ed. You will realize just how far off that fantasy is...
Unless you have 5 grand
$5000? You could build a dual Opteron server now for much less than
half that amount. By the end of the year, you might see Athlon 64
systems without a monitor in the $1000-1200 range.
 
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John

There are already 64bit (x86-64) operating systems released with 64bit
(x86-64) software for those operating systems. The price of memory
will be no different. The price of motherboards will not be that much
more (no more than any other new motherboard technology). That leaves
only the chip and I can tell you that it won't cost $4000+. Most
likely just a few hundred and that will drop down to the price of
current Athlons is a few months. 64bit is just the chip, it has
nothing to do with memory, expansion cards, or any other hardware. The
motherboard's only difference is a different pin layout on the socket.
 
J

John

do we need to buy new graphics card? sound card? or harddisk? Ram?
No
do we need to find hardware which are compatible with 64bit system? No

Maybe i can get a copy of window xp 64...
Yes but not yet
what will happen to my data now if i migrate to a 64bit system? Nothing

will moives, mp3, document be affected? No

so what happen if i am using a 32bit software in windowxp 64? Nothing

or i have to stick to everything 64bit for window xp 64 No

Last question...can a 2.0ghz athlon 64 be faster than a athlonxp 2400? Definitely

Quite interesting to see that AMD has nothing close to a 3.0Ghz processor.
AMD uses a shorter pipeline which means that it has a lower clock
speed but does more on each clock so MHz is not a good comparison. The
Athlon64s will easily compete with top P4s.
 
S

Strontium

You're telling me something I don't know? I'm talking about usefulness.
It's useless for the average consumer. Run a server, then get back to me
k?

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John stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:
There are already 64bit (x86-64) operating systems released with 64bit
(x86-64) software for those operating systems. The price of memory
will be no different. The price of motherboards will not be that much
more (no more than any other new motherboard technology). That leaves
only the chip and I can tell you that it won't cost $4000+. Most
likely just a few hundred and that will drop down to the price of
current Athlons is a few months. 64bit is just the chip, it has
nothing to do with memory, expansion cards, or any other hardware. The
motherboard's only difference is a different pin layout on the socket.
You forgot the OS, BTW...
 
S

Strontium

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John stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:
Yes but not yet


AMD uses a shorter pipeline which means that it has a lower clock
speed but does more on each clock so MHz is not a good comparison. The
Athlon64s will easily compete with top P4s.

That's a sad state, of affairs, when AMD has to resort to 64bit to
'compete'. Sad, sad, sad. I said 'bye bye', to AMD. Bye Bye.
 
S

Strontium

Key words (by the end of the year).

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JK stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:
 
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Strontium

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JK stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:
The Athlon 64 runs 32 bit software rapidly, and probably even more
rapidly when using a 64 bit operating system. 64 bit software
is in development. Expect a 64 bit version of Windows for the
Athlon 64 and Opteron soon. 64 bit applications might start
appearing soon.

Poor AMD. Has to resort to 64bit technology to even 'touch' the P4 HT.
Sad, sad, sad.
 
S

Strontium

Hmmm, somehow your sarcasm doesn't seem as funny as you intended it, to
be. :)

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Ed Light stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:
 
S

Strontium

You lost me, on that one dude.
Where are you from, again? Wisconsin?

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Ed Light stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:
 
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Majestic

Yes but not yet

AMD uses a shorter pipeline which means that it has a lower clock
speed but does more on each clock so MHz is not a good comparison. The
Athlon64s will easily compete with top P4s.


Enlightenment..
thanks for ans my questions.

Looking at AMD's roadmap, it looks like athlon 64 is here to stay on
desktop
(Well unless AMD goes bankrupt, Then maybe Apple will take over)
Of course 64bit system were avaliable in servers for quite some time
but
i dont think we all own a server at home!
It is a shift another shift in paradigm.
As intel move to the end of the 'pentium 4' (after 3.2ghz) roadmap, a
new pentium was anticipated in Q4 next yr (from what i read from
inquirer)
Maybe intel might enable 64bit on their pentium 5!
Hey wait a minute, Intel would prefer a pubilcity stun to knock out
AMD...
so maybe they will better AMD by pushing out a 128bit processor!!
@ @
~
Then it would be the end of
32bit (Well not really the end, some people will still be using it.)


Like it or not... AMD is here to stay cos it is just plain cheaper
than intel.
... Some people just like to support the underdog
... the competetion keeps intel in check (so that they
wouldnt sell a pentium 4 1.8ghz for 800 dollars.)
 

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