AT LAST! some people are coming to their senses

[Justin]

You laugh but you are a little stupid too.... I guess your brain in that
high altitude of 6 feet tall gets a little thinner air than it should.

Yet you have nothing to say about this in regards to the topic.
Interesting.

Freedom is open source code and public domain programs.

Wrong. Freedom is the ability to choose between either open source and
retail products or anything else that comes your way. In your thick head,
you are trying to tell us, for example, freedom is Pepsi. Wrong. Freedom
is the ability to chose between Pepsi and Coke.

Thats what he means. Your brain has been preprogrammed in such a way
that you cannot see other solutions and even if they are presented to you,
you
have no clue of their potential.

I use open source and retail software. You continue to have no point and
you continue to prove that you assume all your data and have no real
direction with anything you say.

You are like the guy who laughed at the first cars because your horse was
better...

Wrong again. I'm the guy that chose the best model based on my needs and
which one was more economical.

The future will be very different than you think though... there will be
no Microsoft at all.. most wont even remember what it was.

You don't know what I think of the future. It seems to me you were taught
by the same lemmings.

Star Trek is a view of a non capitalistic society where people work not
for money,
but for enjoyment and growth. It is an alternate reality, and perhaps it
is the only way
for us to survive.

Good for you? Go watch more TV since it's clearly the source of your
education.

 

[Justin]

I plan on doing something to change everything, and that will have a huge
impact on many people.

Um....Hitler anyone??? You are living in a dream world. Trust me, "the
world" doesn't need you. Try to stick to a group of people that need help.
However, try to help and not actually preach about the "free world" as that
seems to be all you are capable of.

You blatantly ignore facts and apply the teachings of a TV show. Sorry, but
it's hard to take you seriously.

 

[Mark Rae]

Sorry, but it's hard to take you seriously.

What are you apologising for...?

 

[Justin]

What are you apologising for...?

My bad.

 

[NoStop]

Yet you have nothing to say about this in regards to the topic.
Interesting.


Wrong. Freedom is the ability to choose between either open source and
retail products or anything else that comes your way. In your thick head,
you are trying to tell us, for example, freedom is Pepsi. Wrong. Freedom
is the ability to chose between Pepsi and Coke.

Your definition of "freedom" amounts to the freedom to choose between "do
you want to die from lung cancer or brain cancer?".

Freedom is being able to buy food in a store without having to purchase
either Pepsi or Coke. Freedom is being able to purchase a computer without
having Windoze preloaded and being forced to pay for that Microcrap when
purchasing hardware. Unfortunately, Microslop has the manufacturers in a
catch-22 situation. If they want a "good rate" on Windoze, they have to
bundle it with all the computers they sell. It's known commonly within the
computing world as "the Microsoft tax".

Freedom also means the ability to change software's behavior when the
end-user requires such changes and this is accomplished by having the
software come with its source code. Freedom also means being free to copy
said software to any other computer one owns without paying additional
money to do so and without "activation" restrictions. These last 2 freedoms
can only come about through using Open Source Software.

Please look here for a definition of what "free software" means ...

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html


Cheers.

I use open source and retail software. You continue to have no point and
you continue to prove that you assume all your data and have no real
direction with anything you say.


Wrong again. I'm the guy that chose the best model based on my needs and
which one was more economical.


You don't know what I think of the future. It seems to me you were taught
by the same lemmings.


Good for you? Go watch more TV since it's clearly the source of your
education.

--
The "Wow" starts now.

"No sane person wants Vista, so Microsoft is making sure they have no
choice."
http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html

 

[Justin]

Your definition of "freedom" amounts to the freedom to choose between "do
you want to die from lung cancer or brain cancer?".

That's what you got from what I said? That explains a lot.

Freedom is being able to buy food in a store without having to purchase
either Pepsi or Coke.

You just repeated what I said however you included another consumer product.
At least you are learning.

Freedom is being able to purchase a computer without
having Windoze preloaded and being forced to pay for that Microcrap when
purchasing hardware.

No one forces you to buy Windows because you are never FORCED to buy a
specific computer. Therefore your use of the word "forced" is ignorant.

Unfortunately, Microslop has the manufacturers in a
catch-22 situation. If they want a "good rate" on Windoze, they have to
bundle it with all the computers they sell. It's known commonly within the
computing world as "the Microsoft tax".
WRONG!

Freedom also means the ability to change software's behavior when the
end-user requires such changes and this is accomplished by having the
software come with its source code.

HAHAHAHA! You are foolish at best. You go on and keep preaching
falsehoods. Whatever keeps you happy.

You still can't answer the simple basic question. Freedom from WHAT?

You make up definitions of freedom yet you fail to address what you are
freeing yourself from. You can't say you are freeing yourself from MS
because NO ONE forces you to use MS.

Freedom also means being free to copy
said software to any other computer one owns without paying additional
money to do so and without "activation" restrictions.

This is where you keep failing. You obviously didn't read what I said or
choose to keep your lemming beliefs. You DO NOT OWN Windows or ANY OTHER
licensed software.

Please look here for a definition of what "free software" means ...

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html

Is that what drives your FREEDOM speeches? You misunderstand what you read.

You have the FREEDOM to run free software.
You have the FREEDOM to run retail software.

FREE SOFTWARE does not equal FREEDOM

No one removes your freedom of choice because they charge you for their
software. MS is not doing this any more then anyone else that charges you
for their consumer product.

You are sadly misinformed and having you misunderstand such poorly
constructed and random websites is not helping your education.

 

[Charlie]

Is that like someone giving you a "free puppy"?

Your definition of "freedom" amounts to the freedom to choose between "do
you want to die from lung cancer or brain cancer?".

Freedom is being able to buy food in a store without having to purchase
either Pepsi or Coke. Freedom is being able to purchase a computer without
having Windoze preloaded and being forced to pay for that Microcrap when
purchasing hardware. Unfortunately, Microslop has the manufacturers in a
catch-22 situation. If they want a "good rate" on Windoze, they have to
bundle it with all the computers they sell. It's known commonly within the
computing world as "the Microsoft tax".

Freedom also means the ability to change software's behavior when the
end-user requires such changes and this is accomplished by having the
software come with its source code. Freedom also means being free to copy
said software to any other computer one owns without paying additional
money to do so and without "activation" restrictions. These last 2
freedoms
can only come about through using Open Source Software.

Please look here for a definition of what "free software" means ...

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html


Cheers.



--
The "Wow" starts now.

"No sane person wants Vista, so Microsoft is making sure they have no
choice."
http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html

 

[gls858]

Your definition of "freedom" amounts to the freedom to choose between "do
you want to die from lung cancer or brain cancer?".

Freedom is being able to buy food in a store without having to purchase
either Pepsi or Coke. Freedom is being able to purchase a computer without
having Windoze preloaded and being forced to pay for that Microcrap when
purchasing hardware. Unfortunately, Microslop has the manufacturers in a
catch-22 situation. If they want a "good rate" on Windoze, they have to
bundle it with all the computers they sell. It's known commonly within the
computing world as "the Microsoft tax".

You mean like the ones available from Dell.

http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/nseries?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&~ck=anavml
http://tinyurl.com/33dfao

Or HP

http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/321116-0-0-0-121.html
http://tinyurl.com/3ct76b

 

[Justin]

Is that like someone giving you a "free puppy"?

Exactly! Stop letting pet stores TAKE AWAY YOUR FREEDOMS!!! Only obtain
free puppies. Only through the use of free puppies can you stop the MACHINE
that is pet stores from taking away your FREEDOM!!!

 

[Justin]

You mean like the ones available from Dell.

http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/nseries?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&~ck=anavml
http://tinyurl.com/33dfao

Or HP

http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/321116-0-0-0-121.html
http://tinyurl.com/3ct76b

You mean to tell us that Dell and HP CHARGE for a Linux machine? They
CHARGE for servicing and warranting that machine which includes OS support?

Oh NO! That "machine" has corrupted the LINUX market!?!?!?!

I thought Linux was free? What's this garbage from Dell?

Dell Precision 690n
$37,601
From $37,601
Now from
$36,902
Lease for as low as $977/mo. (48 pmts)1

So much for FREEDOM! Linux isn't FREE!






Dell Precision 690n




Date 3/22/2007 4:25:29 PM Central Standard Time

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Dell Precision Workstation 690N - 1KW:
Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5110 1.60GHz, 4MB L2,1066 T1614N
[222-3771] 1


Operating System:
Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS v4 for EM64T 64bit system w/ 3 YR RHN, w/ Media
RH6443Y [420-5981] 11


Graphic Cards:
SLI config w/ 2 X 1GB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX5500 cards in graphic riser
SFX5500 [320-4936] 6


Memory:
32GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC in Riser (16 DIMMS) 32G166R
[311-6348] 3


CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices:
48X CD-RW AND 16X DVD+/-RW, Data Only CDRM16D [313-4250] 16


Hard Drive Configuration:
C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total configuration SATA12
[341-3378] 9


Boot Hard Drive:
750GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst CacheT 750ST
[341-3862] 8


Hard Drive Internal Controller Option:
SATA/SAS Integrated Card - For Connecting Internal Hard Drives SASCTL
[341-3435] 24


2nd Hard Drive:
750GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst CacheT 750STA
[341-3852] 23


3rd Hard Drive:
500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst CacheT 500STA
[341-3732] 84


4th Hard Drive:
500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst CacheT 500STA
[341-3732] 85


Monitors:
Dell 24 inch UltraSharpT 2407FP Widescreen, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI
2407FPW [320-4334] 5


2nd Monitor:
Dell 24 inch UltraSharpT 2407FP Widescreen, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI
2407FPW [320-4334] 45


3rd Monitor:
Dell 24 inch UltraSharpT 2407FP Widescreen, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI
2407FPW [320-4334] 87


4th Monitor:
Dell 24 inch UltraSharpT 2407FP Widescreen, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI
2407FPW [320-4334] 88


Mail- In Rebate:
None NONE [464-5004] 81


Miscellaneous:
Precision 690N 1KW 64Bit 690N641 [465-4067] 82


Additional PCI-E Network Adapter card:
Broadcom NetXtreme 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet controller-PCI Express card
BNET [430-1680] 13


Digital Media Creation:
Wacom Intuos 6x11 Graphic Tablet 597396 [A0597396] 172


Digital Media Creation:
3DConnexion SpacePilot Intelligent Motion Controller 474227 [A0474227]
172


Surge Protectors & Battery Backup:
APC 7-Outlet Essential SurgeArrest Surge Protector 367306 [A0367306]
166


Surge Protectors & Battery Backup:
APC SurgeArrest 11 Outlet with Tel2/Splitter, Coax and Ethernet Protection
177135 [A0177135] 166


Surge Protectors & Battery Backup:
APC Back-UPS ES 725 VA w/ Phone & COAX Protection 597384 [A0597384]
166


Keyboard:
Dell USB Enhanced Multimedia Keyboard with built-in 2-port USB Hub U8
[310-7950] 4


Mouse:
Dell USB 2-Button Optical Mouse with Scroll LOB [310-7958] 12


Floppy Drive Options:
3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive FD [341-3690] 10


Speakers:
Dell A525 30 Watt 2.1 three piece Stereo Speakers with Subwoofer A525
[313-4024] 18


Storage Devices and Media:
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Storage Devices and Media:
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Storage Devices and Media:
Buffalo 500GB LinkStation Pro Shared Network Storage 7200RPM LAN/USB 2.0
666981 [A0666981] 74


Storage Devices and Media:
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459821 [A0459821] 74


Accessories:
Bundle: 1GB USB Memory Key & 7-Outlet Surge Protector 759367 [A0759367]
79


Accessories:
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651141 [A0651141] 79


Accessories:
Belkin 3-Button Optical Mouse USB / PS/2 Interface BEL3BU [A0379240]
79


Accessories:
Zalman ZM-RS6F 5.1 Surround Sound Headphones 597699 [A0597699] 79


Accessories:
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Wireless Network Adapters:
Netgear WGR614 Wireless-G Firewall Router 099307 [A0099307] 244


Wireless Network Adapters:
Netgear WN121T RangeMax NEXT Wireless-N USB 2.0 Adapter 734276
[A0734276] 244


Wireless Network Adapters:
Netgear WNR834B RangeMax NEXT Wireless-N Broadband Router 649801
[A0649801] 244


Wireless Network Adapters:
Netgear WG111 54 Mbps Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter 749471 [A0749471] 244


Wireless Network Adapters:
Netgear FVG318NA ProSafe Wireless Firewall w/VPN & 8-port 10/100 Switch
540642 [A0540642] 244


Mouse Pad:
Mouse Pad MPAD [310-0007] 51


Online Web Site:
Free Microsoft Office Live Basics 954428 [A0954428] 232


Online Web Site:
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[A0954429] 232


Online Web Site:
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232


Finance & Productivity:
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Finance & Productivity:
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Finance & Productivity:
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Finance & Productivity:
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Digital Content Creation Software - Shipped Separa:
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Digital Content Creation Software - Shipped Separa:
Adobe Acrobat 8 Professional 732948 [A0732948] 186


Digital Content Creation Software - Shipped Separa:
Microsoft Office Visio Standard 2007 947293 [A0947293] 186


Digital Content Creation Software - Shipped Separa:
Microsoft Office Project Standard 2007 947221 [A0947221] 186


Digital Content Creation Software - Shipped Separa:
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Migration & Backup Software:
Detto IntelliMover: Transfers Documents and Settings 110110 [A0110110]
177


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Laplink PCmover: Transfers Applications, Documents and Settings 654668
[A0654668] 177


Migration & Backup Software:
Computer Associates Desktop Migrator 2007: transfers documents and settings
574128 [A0574128] 177


Graphics & Design:
CorelDRAW X3 Graphics Suite 939614 [A0939614] 133


Graphics & Design:
Adobe Photoshop CS2 PHOTOCS [A0472798] 133


Graphics & Design:
Adobe Production Studio Standard - $400 Instant Savings 589602
[A0589602] 133


Graphics & Design:
Adobe Acrobat 3D for Windows 601203 [A0601203] 133


Graphics & Design:
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Resource CD:
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RCDQK [310-7721][310-7976] 21


SERVICES & SUPPORT PLANS:
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[461-3749][900-4743][950-0533][970-6420][982-5747][984-2827][984-2828] 29


On-Site System Setup:
On-site System and Wireless Network Setup with Data Transfer PCDWIB
[981-2337][984-2219] 32


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Microsoft Office 2007 Learning Pack with Live Expert - 90 day access
OFBASIC [A0940307] 242


Training Books:
Mobile Computing with online chat and E-Reference library, 90Day Acces
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Networking Pack and onlilne chat and E-Reference library, 90 Day Access
BSDNETW [A0940309] 242


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Storage Learning Pack with online chat and E-Reference library, 90 day
BSDSTOR [A0940310] 242


Training Books:
Vista Small Business Training with Live Expert and E-Reference-90Day
VISTAST [A0773852] 242


Dell Recycling:
Return shipping label for recovery of two IT pieces (NTB, DSK, MON, etc.)
ARRECBX [310-4253] 233


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Dell UltraSharp Widescreen 3007WFP:
Dell 30 inch UltraSharp Widescreen Digital Flat Panel 3007WFP [222-0863]
1


Hardware Support Services:
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Cables:
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Dell 2707WFP Flat Panel Monitor




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Dell UltraSharp Widescreen 2707WFP:
Dell 27 inch UltraSharp Widescreen Digital Flat Panel 2707WFP [222-7315]
1


Hardware Support Service:
5Yr Ltd. Warranty- Advance Exchange AE5YR
[970-1654][982-1980][985-9467][985-9468] 29


Complete Care:
Add CompleteCare Accidental Damage Service to 5Yr Lim Warranty W19CC5
[970-1644] 33


Monitor Accessories:
Del AS501 10W Flat Panel Sound Bar AS501 [313-4833] 160

 

[Stephan Rose]

Your definition of "freedom" amounts to the freedom to choose between "do
you want to die from lung cancer or brain cancer?".

Freedom is being able to buy food in a store without having to purchase
either Pepsi or Coke. Freedom is being able to purchase a computer without
having Windoze preloaded and being forced to pay for that Microcrap when
purchasing hardware. Unfortunately, Microslop has the manufacturers in a
catch-22 situation. If they want a "good rate" on Windoze, they have to
bundle it with all the computers they sell. It's known commonly within the
computing world as "the Microsoft tax".

Freedom also means the ability to change software's behavior when the
end-user requires such changes and this is accomplished by having the
software come with its source code. Freedom also means being free to copy
said software to any other computer one owns without paying additional
money to do so and without "activation" restrictions. These last 2
freedoms can only come about through using Open Source Software.

Well with all due respect, most users are not interested in changing any
kind of source code. That's stuff for programmers like me, and I don't even
like messing with source code of applications I use! I don't have time for
that...I have a job to do and work to get done.

Open source *does* have its place. It's wonderful for large scale community
projects that have a lot of contributors. That's the main thing I see it
good for more so than the users end as the average user isn't able, nor has
any interest to, understand the code for even the simplest hello world
program.

In a commerical setting though where a company, or a person, essentially
lives off proprietary knowledge open source has no place. For retail apps,
it has no place. If I wanted to release my applications as open source I
might as well go file for bankruptcy right now because I'd loose my entire
income. I can't be better than the competition in a competitive marketplace
if the competition can simply download my app, look at my code, and know
what I am doing to be better.

Now don't think I am anti open source or anything. I am not, matter of fact,
I am currently looking for ways to contribute to WINE just as one example.

I just don't think Open source is better, or worse, than anything else. I
just view it as a different solution to different types of problems where
closed source would not be appropriate or would not work.

--
Stephan
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