Asus A7V8XMX and 3200+ cpu

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Gary Lightfoot

I was looking to put a 3200+ cpu into this mobo, as it says it
supports it, but the only 3200+ cpus I can find all want 400fsb - does
this mean it won't run correctly unless I find a 3200+ cpu that runs
at 333fsb (was there one?).

What MATX mobo supports the 3200+ with 400fsb?

Is the A7N8X-VM/400 the only one, and is the support for just
333mhzDDR a limitation? Would I be better off with a board that
supports 3000+cpu and 400mhzddr?

TIA

Gary.
 
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Paul

"Gary Lightfoot" said:
I was looking to put a 3200+ cpu into this mobo, as it says it
supports it, but the only 3200+ cpus I can find all want 400fsb - does
this mean it won't run correctly unless I find a 3200+ cpu that runs
at 333fsb (was there one?).

What MATX mobo supports the 3200+ with 400fsb?

Is the A7N8X-VM/400 the only one, and is the support for just
333mhzDDR a limitation? Would I be better off with a board that
supports 3000+cpu and 400mhzddr?

TIA

Gary.

http://www.asus.com.tw/support/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx

If you click the "CPU Name" button, you can use the pulldown
menus, to select the processor you are interested in. That
will show the motherboards that support a given processor.

Looking in that pulldown menu, there is only one 3200+
listed for the AthlonXP. If you select 3000+/FSB333, the
A7V8X-MX shows up.

The statements in the specification sections of the manuals are
interesting. In the A7V8X manual, for example, the CPU spec
says:

"Socket A for AMD Thoroughbred, Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron
600 MHz ~ 2.4 GHz+"

Your A7V8X-MX manual says:

"Socket A for AMD AthlonXP up to 3200+ processor
Thoroughbred/Barton core support"

I think these are generally forward looking statements, and
are an attempt to extrapolate how power hungry a processor can
be run, using the limits of the Vcore regulator. The supported
processor list grows over time, and for the majority of the
motherboards, once the manuals are written, they aren't updated
(saves download costs that way). The cpusupport web page tells
you the real story.

HTH,
Paul
 
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Gary Lightfoot

Hi Paul,
http://www.asus.com.tw/support/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx

If you click the "CPU Name" button, you can use the pulldown
menus, to select the processor you are interested in. That
will show the motherboards that support a given processor.

I managed to find a board that supports the 400fsb 3200+ and that's
the A7N8X-VM/400, and the above utility confirmed it. Hoorah! :)
Looking in that pulldown menu, there is only one 3200+
listed for the AthlonXP. If you select 3000+/FSB333, the
A7V8X-MX shows up.

Yeah, that's what I thought - thanks for confirming that for me.
Your A7V8X-MX manual says:

"Socket A for AMD AthlonXP up to 3200+ processor
Thoroughbred/Barton core support"

That was the confusing part, and to make things worse, an HTPC case
manufacturer actualy said that as the manual says it will support it,
it will! I'm glad I was a bit cautious and didn't buy the board for
that chip....

Ok, another question for you. Is ther any advantage to having a 3000+
CPU with 333fsb and 400DDR memory, over the faster 3200+ CPU with
400fsb and only 333DDR memory capability? The ATX board I found that
takes the 400fsb 3200+ has a slower DDR capability. Which one equates
to a faster machine for Hi Def WMV video material would you say?

Many thanks for your time.

Gary.
 
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Paul

"Gary Lightfoot" said:
Hi Paul,


I managed to find a board that supports the 400fsb 3200+ and that's
the A7N8X-VM/400, and the above utility confirmed it. Hoorah! :)


Yeah, that's what I thought - thanks for confirming that for me.


That was the confusing part, and to make things worse, an HTPC case
manufacturer actualy said that as the manual says it will support it,
it will! I'm glad I was a bit cautious and didn't buy the board for
that chip....

Ok, another question for you. Is ther any advantage to having a 3000+
CPU with 333fsb and 400DDR memory, over the faster 3200+ CPU with
400fsb and only 333DDR memory capability? The ATX board I found that
takes the 400fsb 3200+ has a slower DDR capability. Which one equates
to a faster machine for Hi Def WMV video material would you say?

Many thanks for your time.

Gary.

A7V8X-MX XP2600+/FSB333 DDR333 1700MB/sec
http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/showstory.jsp?storyid=51423&upto=2

A7N8X or A7N8X-X XP3200+/FSB400? DDR400 2900-3100MB/sec
http://www.lostcircuits.com/motherboard/asus_a7n8x-x/5.shtml

First off, the DASP prefetcher on the Nforce2 will leave the Via
chipset in the dust. The only question is, which Nforce2 board to
choose. If you go with a full size board, the A7N8X-E deluxe or
the A7N8X-X are dual and single channel boards respectively, with
maybe 5% difference on a good day, in memory performance between
the two.

The A7N8X-VM/400 microATX is a dual channel board too. The only
remaining question, is what impact would running a 3200+/FSB400
with two channels of DDR333 memory. If the prefetcher sees a regular
pattern, then the FSB stays busy. The only question is the occasional
extra cycle or two waiting for first data, on a random access.

On the A7N8X-VM, the manual says the use of a plugin AGP video card
will allow that board to use DDR400. I don't see such a suggestion
in the A7N8X-VM/400 manual, although for some people, the use of
a separate video card improves their stability. Since the VM/400
doesn't have any adjustments for memory, the lowest risk is to
buy actual PC2700 memory with its SPD contents reflecting DDR333
operation. With the few BIOS that have been released for the
VM/400, it is hard to say whether the board would do the right
thing with PC3200 memory plugged in - either to automatically
select operation at DDR333, or to recognize that it can run at
DDR400 when a video card is used. (If you flash the -VM BIOS
into a -VM/400, then the FSB is stuck at FSB333 and the memory
can run at DDR400 when a video card is used, and that would
also suck.) You will need a copy of CPUZ, just to be sure the
BIOS has set things up in a reasonable fashion, with no recourse
if it hasn't.

You can try searching here, for A7N8X-VM/400:
http://nforcershq.com/forum/search.php

Generally, full size boards like A7N8X-E deluxe or A7N8X-X
would have more adjustments and fewer gotchas than the -VM.
If you can afford the size increase, and the cost of
throwing in a FX5200 video card, for your video card, then
they would be much more likely to give you a fast system,
with FSB and DDR rates that can be set to the same value.

HTH,
Paul
 
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sam.vanratt

Hi Paul,
I'm using a modified A7V8 in combination with an Geode NX (1GHz) [to
have a 0dB htpc] and using it with HDTV 720p and never experienced any
problems. HiMem bw is quite nice for mem hogs like lots of games, but
never seen an advantage for recompiling vids or decode 'em for
viewing.
Watching/playing WM9 encoded D1 movies are running without framedrops,
so it'd not be a problem to have 2+faster CPU. Most software
videoplayers are quite slow so maybe use a good coded one. I prefer
XVid and mplayer/mencoder to do the jobs
Cheers
Sam
 
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Gary Lightfoot

Paul wrote:
[..]

Thanks for that - great info!
Generally, full size boards like A7N8X-E deluxe or A7N8X-X
would have more adjustments and fewer gotchas than the -VM.
If you can afford the size increase, and the cost of
throwing in a FX5200 video card, for your video card, then
they would be much more likely to give you a fast system,
with FSB and DDR rates that can be set to the same value.

I'm inclined to try and go for the larger board size due to the
greater choice of mobos. The reason I was after MATX was because the
case that it has to go in only took MATX mobos, but now they can
accomodate ATX but with a physically smaller PSU (max size of 320w).
The case can take up to 7 hard drives, and this was originaly the plan
as it's being used as a DVD/Hi Def media server using X-Lobby.

I'm building it for a friend, so we're now thinking of using just 3
hard drives in the ATX case, with any extra storage via Lacie Firewire
hard drives.

We'e going to use a Radeon 9600 non pro due to it's DVD quality
playback quality, improved mpg2 deblocking in hardware mode and the
fact that it's fanless, so quieter. :)

Many thanks for your help.

Gary.
 

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