Are you looking to buy Retail WinXP Pro at a cut rate price?

K

kurttrail

Download the "Corp" version of Win XP Pro, file-sharing or torrent, and
then run validation, fail, and get MS to sell you a retail copy of 1/2
price!

Do the same thing, download Corp XP Pro. Burn a copy to CD on a
computer it isn't install on, make up a receipt, and go to the Library
and do a search of newspapers for computer shows from a couple years
ago. Fill out the forms MS gives you and send in with the CD and
receipt, and get MS to send you a retail copy for free!

OK, I'm not really advocating anybody doing this, just trying to make a
point. If someone is gonna pirate XP to begin with, what makes MS think
that people won't be doing things like this?

Why isn't retail XP sold at the price that is being offered to people
with pirated Windows to begin with?

Anyone here that bought retail XP at the full price to begin with, how
do you feel now that MS is only charging half the price to those with
pirated copies?

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A

Americantechie

kurttrail said:
Download the "Corp" version of Win XP Pro, file-sharing or torrent, and
then run validation, fail, and get MS to sell you a retail copy of 1/2
price!

Do the same thing, download Corp XP Pro. Burn a copy to CD on a computer
it isn't install on, make up a receipt, and go to the Library and do a
search of newspapers for computer shows from a couple years ago. Fill out
the forms MS gives you and send in with the CD and receipt, and get MS to
send you a retail copy for free!

OK, I'm not really advocating anybody doing this, just trying to make a
point. If someone is gonna pirate XP to begin with, what makes MS think
that people won't be doing things like this?

Why isn't retail XP sold at the price that is being offered to people with
pirated Windows to begin with?

Anyone here that bought retail XP at the full price to begin with, how do
you feel now that MS is only charging half the price to those with pirated
copies?
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I would bet that most copies of Windows are sold preinstalled by the OEM of
the computer. Most large businesses will not play the pirating game. An
upgrade version is really inexpensive. That leaves those people building
their own computers that will have to dish out a good chunk of change for a
full retail version. The number of people building their own computers has
to be a tiny percentage of users out there, and this number is probably
getting even smaller now that prices of new computers are dropping so low.
Of this small percentage of users there is a much smaller percentage of
people that are finding ways to get Windows really cheap or for nothing at
all (using tricks like those you just mentioned.) Many people who might
want to pirate Windows might not know how to go about doing it.

Because of the above I would imagine pirating is not a huge problem for
Microsoft in the United States (as compared to a country like China.)
Microsoft can afford the people that fall through the cracks and take
advantage of the system.

One of the easiest ways to get around the system (and I believe I saw this
on your website as well Kurt) is to install XP and after the records of your
activation gets wiped you are free to install and activate that copy on
another computer. Of course this is not as good as having your own copy.
 
A

Alias

The number of people building their own computers has
to be a tiny percentage of users out there, and this number is probably
getting even smaller now that prices of new computers are dropping so low.
<<<<<<

I think white boxes are becoming more popular because people are sick of the
crap that Dell, HP, et al install on their computers. I also think that
people aren't too crazy about the "restore disk" being on a hidden
partition. One of the biggest computer stores in Spain has booths where they
help customers build their own computers for a small fee. Oh, and they only
sell generic OEM XP (hardware purchase not necessary), no retail or upgrade
available.
 
K

kurttrail

Americantechie said:
I would bet that most copies of Windows are sold preinstalled by the
OEM of the computer.
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Many of those computers sold prior to XP.
Most large businesses will not play the
pirating game.
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Probably not.
An upgrade version is really inexpensive.
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About the same price of what MS is offering those with pirated XP for a
FULL retail version.
That
leaves those people building their own computers that will have to
dish out a good chunk of change for a full retail version.
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Most of those are smart enough to buy OEM instead of paying anothe $150
buck for two free support calls.
The
number of people building their own computers has to be a tiny
percentage of users out there, and this number is probably getting
even smaller now that prices of new computers are dropping so low. Of
this small percentage of users there is a much smaller percentage of
people that are finding ways to get Windows really cheap or for
nothing at all (using tricks like those you just mentioned.) Many
people who might want to pirate Windows might not know how to go
about doing it.
Because of the above I would imagine pirating is not a huge problem
for Microsoft in the United States (as compared to a country like
China.) Microsoft can afford the people that fall through the cracks
and take advantage of the system.
Click to expand...

The piracy percentage was much worse in 1994 before most people owned
their own personal computer than it is today, in the US and the rest of
the world.
One of the easiest ways to get around the system (and I believe I saw
this on your website as well Kurt) is to install XP and after the
records of your activation gets wiped you are free to install and
activate that copy on another computer. Of course this is not as
good as having your own copy.
Click to expand...

And what the f*#k does your post have to do with my post? It's you have
totally missed the point!

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Kurt
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K

kurttrail

kurttrail said:
Download the "Corp" version of Win XP Pro, file-sharing or torrent,
and then run validation, fail, and get MS to sell you a retail copy
of 1/2 price!

Do the same thing, download Corp XP Pro. Burn a copy to CD on a
computer it isn't install on, make up a receipt, and go to the Library
and do a search of newspapers for computer shows from a couple years
ago. Fill out the forms MS gives you and send in with the CD and
receipt, and get MS to send you a retail copy for free!

OK, I'm not really advocating anybody doing this, just trying to make
a point. If someone is gonna pirate XP to begin with, what makes MS
think that people won't be doing things like this?

Why isn't retail XP sold at the price that is being offered to people
with pirated Windows to begin with?

Anyone here that bought retail XP at the full price to begin with, how
do you feel now that MS is only charging half the price to those with
pirated copies?
Click to expand...

And another question for those of you that have bought generic OEM
copies of XP Pro:

How do you like it that people with pirated copies of XP, can now get
copies of FULL RETAIL at the price you paid for OEM? That means they
get the free support calls and the EULA permission to move their copy of
XP to a totally different computer!

See, MS don't really care about you. If they did then those that could
prove that they purchase FULL Retail at a FULL price would get rebates
to thank them for not being a pirate.

Those that could prove they bought bought retail Upgrades would get a
rebate too!

And those that could prove they bought generic OEM would be upgraded to
the FULL Retail EULA.

See MS never thinks of the effects that positive reinforcement has on
it's customers. Instead of rewarding those that were always legit, they
reward those that weren't.

Instead, basically all you who paid the full price for you legit copies
of XP are played as Microsoft's suckers. Congratulations!

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Kurt
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G

Greg Ro

I do see it as some advantages to this.
If you unknowingly purchase the oses not knowing if this is pirated.
You already spent money on the operating system.

One thing I don't like is that you can't get the same operating system
you have. I bought a copy of windows 98se thinking it was legal. I
don't think it is legal according to Microsoft rules. It came with
out hardware and a COA. I bought a windows me OEM upgrade*. It did
come with OEM & coa, however it didn't come with hardware. I would
still like to use the 98se & windowsMe one of my other computers.
Since I paid a chunk of money for it. Anyway for me to legally do
that?


Greg Ro

*I thought this was a full retail version of windowsme the ad was
misleading
 
K

kurttrail

Greg said:
I do see it as some advantages to this.
If you unknowingly purchase the oses not knowing if this is pirated.
You already spent money on the operating system.

One thing I don't like is that you can't get the same operating system
you have. I bought a copy of windows 98se thinking it was legal. I
don't think it is legal according to Microsoft rules. It came with
out hardware and a COA. I bought a windows me OEM upgrade*. It did
come with OEM & coa, however it didn't come with hardware. I would
still like to use the 98se & windowsMe one of my other computers.
Since I paid a chunk of money for it. Anyway for me to legally do
that?


Greg Ro

*I thought this was a full retail version of windowsme the ad was
misleading
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Legally? Who knows until MS sues someone for doing it and wins.

If you are gonna use it for your own personal non-commercial use, then
you should think about just doing it. MS doesn't have the balls to
protest something like that in a REAL court.

Plus MS never supported you with that copy in the first place, so who
the F*#k are they to tell you what you can and cannot do with it?

If you want to use it for business purposes, then you should just bit
the bullet and buy a new copy.

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Kurt
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G

Guest

Yeah, what's your point Walter? Donny, you're outta your element. Here's my
point, Dude. The other Lebowski, the other Jeffrey Lebowski. Sorry, couldn't
resist.
 
G

Guest

It would sort of be like me getting upset because all the people in my
neighborhood get to hang around all day, drink, get high and get free stuff
from the government for doing absolutely nothing but suck money out of my
wallet, when I have to wake up facing a two hour commute, work 9 hours, face
a two hour commute home only to have these freeloaders beg me for money as I
approach my corner. It sucks but I'd rather build my own machine with a legit
copy of XP Pro in it. I wish I could put the one copy in all 5 of my machines
but I can't. Oh well. $130 is not that much money for an OS that works pretty
darn good and I'm not a rich man. I might not agree with those freeloaders
getting it for half price but I doubt if my getting upset about it and
contacting Microsoft to rant about it would change anything. I know for a
fact that if they stopped it, the price XP would not go down any. :)
 
K

kurttrail

stuart said:
so its only available in the states and not in the uk
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LOL! I guess so. Yet another reason to hate the US!

Can I ask you a question? Too bad, I'm gonna ask it anyway!

What are you trying to do with the computer that requires a so-called
"Legit" License?

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
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J

Jim

A friend of mine bought a copy of XP Pro on EBay that "turned out"(ahem) to
be a "corporate"(prated) version.He bought it trough PayPal so he got about
75%( $50.00 ) of his money back through their buyer protection program. If
he goes through the MS program and requirements he will end up with a fresh,
legit copy of XP Pro for $25.00 ! Where do I sign up?
 

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