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Peter
It's Samsung's Magictune Premium and I installed it as Admin. Every boot
UAC prompts rather late in the booting sequence for this program...allow ot
not.
UAC prompts rather late in the booting sequence for this program...allow ot
not.
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Guest
It's Samsung's Magictune Premium and I installed it as Admin. Every boot
UAC has no effect during boot. Are you sure you mean during boot, or do you
mean during logon?
What does the program do? If it is marked for elevation, or recognized as an
installer, you need to get a Vista compatible version of it.
UAC has no effect during boot. Are you sure you mean during boot, or do you
mean during logon?
What does the program do? If it is marked for elevation, or recognized as an
installer, you need to get a Vista compatible version of it.
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Peter
I meant after logon even into Admin it still goes dark then asks if I should
allow it. The version is specifically for Vista 32-bit.
allow it. The version is specifically for Vista 32-bit.
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Richard Urban
When Samsung releases a Vista version of the software the problem will go
away. MagicTune is for Windows XP
I also can't use it. Then again, I didn't use it under XP either.
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Regards,
Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User
away. MagicTune is for Windows XP
I also can't use it. Then again, I didn't use it under XP either.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User
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Guest
I meant after logon even into Admin it still goes dark then asks if I should
OK. That makes more sense. I bet the app is marked for elevation then.
Strictly speaking, you can get rid of it by replacing the manifest on the
application, but to do that you need the Software Developer's Kit, and there
is a really good chance the app won't work afterward.
I'd say you have five options:
1. Live with it.
2. Contact Samsung and tell them that their app is flawed (it is) and that
they need to factor out the parts that are administrative either into a
service or into a COM Moniker so that the rest of the app can run without
elevation.
3. Return the software/hardware as flawed and demand a full refund as it
does not work properly with the operating system it is allegedly created for.
4. Configure UAC for silent elevation. Note that this means you will no
longer be prompted for any application that wants to elevate, including any
malicious apps
5. Turn off UAC altogether - a.k.a. give up. This will disable much of the
security on your computer and make it behave like Windows XP.
I highly dislike option 5. If people do that, developers, like the one's at
Samsung who obviously do not get and and do not give a rat's behind about
their customer's security, will continue to get away with writing crappy
code.
I don't like option 4 a whole lot better. UAC does not provide a secure
process boundary, but I still like knowing when apps elevate and if we set
the system for silent elevation we will not have enough motive to encourage
developers to write good software.
I would highly recommend to you start out with 2. If that does not work,
then go to 3, and please report back what Samsung had to say about 2. One of
us will surely start working on a "Misuse of UAC Hall of Shame" and be happy
to post this app there as the first entry.
OK. That makes more sense. I bet the app is marked for elevation then.
Strictly speaking, you can get rid of it by replacing the manifest on the
application, but to do that you need the Software Developer's Kit, and there
is a really good chance the app won't work afterward.
I'd say you have five options:
1. Live with it.
2. Contact Samsung and tell them that their app is flawed (it is) and that
they need to factor out the parts that are administrative either into a
service or into a COM Moniker so that the rest of the app can run without
elevation.
3. Return the software/hardware as flawed and demand a full refund as it
does not work properly with the operating system it is allegedly created for.
4. Configure UAC for silent elevation. Note that this means you will no
longer be prompted for any application that wants to elevate, including any
malicious apps
5. Turn off UAC altogether - a.k.a. give up. This will disable much of the
security on your computer and make it behave like Windows XP.
I highly dislike option 5. If people do that, developers, like the one's at
Samsung who obviously do not get and and do not give a rat's behind about
their customer's security, will continue to get away with writing crappy
code.
I don't like option 4 a whole lot better. UAC does not provide a secure
process boundary, but I still like knowing when apps elevate and if we set
the system for silent elevation we will not have enough motive to encourage
developers to write good software.
I would highly recommend to you start out with 2. If that does not work,
then go to 3, and please report back what Samsung had to say about 2. One of
us will surely start working on a "Misuse of UAC Hall of Shame" and be happy
to post this app there as the first entry.
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Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
"One of
us will surely start working on a "Misuse of UAC Hall of Shame" and be happy
to post this app there as the first entry."
Do I need to start a new division at threatcode.com?
us will surely start working on a "Misuse of UAC Hall of Shame" and be happy
to post this app there as the first entry."
Do I need to start a new division at threatcode.com?
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Guest
"One of
Hint hint...
There may not be many, althought it would be interesting to start collecting
these.
Hint hint...
There may not be many, althought it would be interesting to start collecting
these.
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Peter
Fortunately it's a free application...I'll live with it. I'm not reducing
UAC's security for anything.
UAC's security for anything.
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Peter
Richard, this one is supposed to be for Vista 32-bit specifically...see this
page: http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitors/magictune/magictune_05s.htm
page: http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitors/magictune/magictune_05s.htm
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Richard Urban
I know. I tried it.
When Avast antivirus released their first version that was Vista
"compatible", it wasn't. Every time you booted the computer you had to give
part of the program elevated privileges. They fixed this with a subsequent
release and now the program truly is designed for Vista, Vista compatible or
whatever the term for a program that operates correctly.
There is a big difference with just working with Vista and designed for
Vista. Magic Tune isn't designed for Vista - yet.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User
When Avast antivirus released their first version that was Vista
"compatible", it wasn't. Every time you booted the computer you had to give
part of the program elevated privileges. They fixed this with a subsequent
release and now the program truly is designed for Vista, Vista compatible or
whatever the term for a program that operates correctly.
There is a big difference with just working with Vista and designed for
Vista. Magic Tune isn't designed for Vista - yet.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User
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Peter
Thanks ;-)
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Peter
Footnote..just installed Catalyst 7.2 it immediately told me to boot
Magictune off the face of the Earth...it's gone ;-)
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Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
ATI Radeon 9550 Graphics
Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
Magictune off the face of the Earth...it's gone ;-)
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Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
ATI Radeon 9550 Graphics
Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
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Guest
Footnote..just installed Catalyst 7.2 it immediately told me to boot
What do these things do anyway?
I'm very much a minimalist. I dislike adding software, even small apps, that
require installation.
What do these things do anyway?
I'm very much a minimalist. I dislike adding software, even small apps, that
require installation.
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Peter
It tunes the Samsung LCD monitor...better than fiddling with the manual
controls.
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Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
ATI Radeon 9550 Graphics
Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
controls.
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Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
ATI Radeon 9550 Graphics
Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio