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James_
Les said:
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lee.wright
I went from Geforce 3 to Ati 9700 Pro - from crucial, this card was
sooo much faster but crashed every 5 minutes, i carried on with it for
just over 1 year in the hope that the drivers would solve sort it out.
I went round all the different sites, tried all the drivers, did the
fastwrites thing anad all hte other "tweaks", in the end I did the
driver hack to FireGL - it ran much better in games but mainly to get
the card to work on CAD software, it still crashed too much for me and
had a habbit of actually shutting the machine down, the refresh rate
was a pian in the arse too. Anyway, after about 13-14 months I sent it
back to crucial - they sent me a 9800 pro - this card is a dream
absolutely no problems in anything. I 'd recommend this card to anyone
especially from crucial (the support is great) but steer clear of the
old 9700's (which can be found cheap nowadays), their problems are
quite well documented.
sooo much faster but crashed every 5 minutes, i carried on with it for
just over 1 year in the hope that the drivers would solve sort it out.
I went round all the different sites, tried all the drivers, did the
fastwrites thing anad all hte other "tweaks", in the end I did the
driver hack to FireGL - it ran much better in games but mainly to get
the card to work on CAD software, it still crashed too much for me and
had a habbit of actually shutting the machine down, the refresh rate
was a pian in the arse too. Anyway, after about 13-14 months I sent it
back to crucial - they sent me a 9800 pro - this card is a dream
absolutely no problems in anything. I 'd recommend this card to anyone
especially from crucial (the support is great) but steer clear of the
old 9700's (which can be found cheap nowadays), their problems are
quite well documented.
M
Mike P
Tour ps theories arew crap because what matters is the power rating on the
power rails of the ps. A cheap 400w will be outperformed by a good 300w
generally speaking. And I ran an overclocked 9800np on a antec 300w ps with
2 hdd's 3 case fans 2cd drives and an xp2500@200x11 for months.
You seem to be regurgitating common myths repeated by people who don't know
what they're talking about.
Mike
power rails of the ps. A cheap 400w will be outperformed by a good 300w
generally speaking. And I ran an overclocked 9800np on a antec 300w ps with
2 hdd's 3 case fans 2cd drives and an xp2500@200x11 for months.
You seem to be regurgitating common myths repeated by people who don't know
what they're talking about.
Mike
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Ben C
Mike P said:
Possibly! I'm very happy to take any advice you have if you think the PSU
theory is rubbish. But frankly I have run out of other options trying to
get this damn thing to work. Unless I can get it working in the next couple
of days, it's back to nVidia for me. I'll repost with a result once I've
swapped PSU or tried anything else that anyone could suggest. Any other
ideas on how to get an error-free installation and a working Sapphire ATI
Radeon 9800 Pro (256MB)?
B
N
NBK
I had no problems in Windows. I went from a Leadtek Ti-200 to an ATIAndrew said:
Radeon 9800 Pro. I have heard that ATI's Linux drivers suck. I will
probably go back to NVIDIA as soon as the prices come down on the 6800 GT.
NBK
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Mike P
Ben C, I looked back but I can't see exactly what the problem is with your
card. Is it unstable or failing to boot? If not the problem is very
unlikely to be the ps. If you haven't done a proper driver removal
(complete) you're likely to have problems as well.
BTW, drivers for ATI have been very good and stable for some time now,
especially for the 9800 series, which never had serious problems afaik. I
do remember issues with the first 9700pros, but the 8500 was the last card
to be released with sub-par drivers. I never buy cutting edge and when I
got my 8500 after it had been out for a few months it worked flawlessly.
Here's a quick google search website, I never really looked at it yet but it
gives good info on the ps issue here:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-powercons.html
Mike
card. Is it unstable or failing to boot? If not the problem is very
unlikely to be the ps. If you haven't done a proper driver removal
(complete) you're likely to have problems as well.
BTW, drivers for ATI have been very good and stable for some time now,
especially for the 9800 series, which never had serious problems afaik. I
do remember issues with the first 9700pros, but the 8500 was the last card
to be released with sub-par drivers. I never buy cutting edge and when I
got my 8500 after it had been out for a few months it worked flawlessly.
Here's a quick google search website, I never really looked at it yet but it
gives good info on the ps issue here:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-powercons.html
Mike
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Chip
GT-Force said:
GT, can I ask you:
What is your question????!?!??!?? Please can you re-state it? Everyone is
jumping in with answers, and yet we don't actually know what your question
is.
Your post says FROM nvidia TO ati
Your test says TO nvidia FROM ati
Which is it???????
Chip
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Chip
Chip said:
Sorry, I meant "Your *text* says....." (Not "test" says) Doh.....
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Ben C
Mike P said:
Thanks Mike. My old nVidia card was a tiny GeForce 5200. It used so little
power that it didn't even have a power socket on it. The new card is much
larger, with whopping heatsinks and a power socket. As I only have a 300W
PSU, feeding 2 hard drives, 2 DVD drives, and a bunch of USB/Firewire
peripherals, I suspect that my PSU needs upgrading but I'm not at all
certain. The attempted upgrade went as follows:
1 - Uninstalled all the old drivers
2 - Powered off
3 - Removed the old card, inserted the new card and connected power to it.
4 - Powered on
5 - Windows recognises the new card. Firstly I let it try installing by
itself. At the end, the card does not appear to be working, as even
scrolling web pages are jumpy. Device manager lists the card but with
'Microsoft' beside it. I guess this is because it's tried using MS drivers.
6 - Uninstalled drivers and rebooted. Then cancelled the automatic Windows
install and manually installed using drivers from the install disk. Error
messages in the install process ('SEVERE - Zero display service error').
Same end result.
7 - Uninstalled drivers and rebooted. Then cancelled the automatic Windows
install and manually used the latest drivers from ATI's site. Same errors,
and same end result.
8 - Tried various other options, including disconnecting my CD/DVD drives,
all USB devices and one hard drive before powering up again. The card still
appears to be not working.
Perhaps my card is faulty. Any other theories? Thanks for any
opinions/theories as to the cause/remedy...
G
GT-Force
If you've read more than the topic, you sould have seen my question. Here it
is once more, for you:
"Is there anyone here that went to nVidia from ATI and regretted it? If so,
what was the old and the new cards, and what were the issues?"
I do not know, how clearer can I make it? Sorry...
GT
is once more, for you:
"Is there anyone here that went to nVidia from ATI and regretted it? If so,
what was the old and the new cards, and what were the issues?"
I do not know, how clearer can I make it? Sorry...
GT
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Mike P
What motherboard do you have? The generic MS drivers act like you describe
but should ID the card properly. It's the card not identifying that is
causing the driver install to fail as well I suspect.
I never unistall the MS drivers before putting the ATI in (the card is ATI,
not another brand?)
Try leaving the MS drivers in although I suspect the card id to be bad for
some reason. Was the card's bios ever flashed? Also try a good nvidia
driver cleaner and installing xpSP2... assuming you're using XP.. also make
sure you use the proper os (xp, 2k, etc) drivers.
It seems to me that the card may be bad, either a bad unit or a bad flash.
But I've never seen that arror in about 30 ATI builds I've done, I might be
missing something.
Mike
but should ID the card properly. It's the card not identifying that is
causing the driver install to fail as well I suspect.
I never unistall the MS drivers before putting the ATI in (the card is ATI,
not another brand?)
Try leaving the MS drivers in although I suspect the card id to be bad for
some reason. Was the card's bios ever flashed? Also try a good nvidia
driver cleaner and installing xpSP2... assuming you're using XP.. also make
sure you use the proper os (xp, 2k, etc) drivers.
It seems to me that the card may be bad, either a bad unit or a bad flash.
But I've never seen that arror in about 30 ATI builds I've done, I might be
missing something.
Mike
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Chip
GT-Force said:
Did you ***READ*** what you posted. i.e. the TITLE to this thread. Please
READ it!
I quote you: "RE: Anyone went FROM nVidia to ATI"
Now read what you just said above.
See the confusion???? Complete opposites.
Chip
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tq96
Tour ps theories arew crap because what matters is the power rating on
Plus many PSUs are only good at their rated power up to 25C, a temperature
that will not be present at full power output. My old Enermax 460 watt
dropped to 80% over 25C making it really only able to output 368 watts.
Plus many PSUs are only good at their rated power up to 25C, a temperature
that will not be present at full power output. My old Enermax 460 watt
dropped to 80% over 25C making it really only able to output 368 watts.
G
GT-Force
Yes, I see the confusion, and I say that the text has the real question. If
you've read the text, in addition to the title, you'd see what the real
question was. Apparently, my mind was working backwards while typing the
title, but gladly, the text has it all.
That's all. Sorry if the confusion hurt your brain so much...
Take care...
GT
you've read the text, in addition to the title, you'd see what the real
question was. Apparently, my mind was working backwards while typing the
title, but gladly, the text has it all.
That's all. Sorry if the confusion hurt your brain so much...
Take care...
GT
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Joachim Trensz
Richard said:
Richard,
I've never had this happen to me, but some folks with fps issues after
switching to an ATI seem to have issues with the old Nvidia drivers not
having been deinstalled entirely. Apparently just deinstalling the card
and drivers in Windows System Manager sometimes isn't enough.
There are driver deinstallation tools available on the net which you
might want to give a try. I have no URL unfortunately.
For what it's worth, I went from a GF4 Ti4600 to a Radeon 9700 Pro, and
the visual quality was dramatically better on the Radeon, while the fps
was maybe not that much higher without FF and Aniso enabled, but with
4xFF and 8xAniso, the Radeon outran the 4600 by landmiles.
Don't give up just yet
S
Scotter
I *believe* the Radeon 9700 Pro is an entire generation of card newer than
the GeForce 4 cards so yeah, it should blow the Ti4600 out of the water.
Here is a link to a great driver deinstaller:
http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/
the GeForce 4 cards so yeah, it should blow the Ti4600 out of the water.
Here is a link to a great driver deinstaller:
http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/
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Ben C
Mike P said:
Ahhhhh, that's better. So much for me regurgitating common myths about
inadequate PSUs! I just upgraded the PSU from 300W to 450W and as if by
magic, my shiny new ATI card works like a dream. Still had the cryptic
error message during the install, but I just OK'd it and the card seems to
be working beautifully. Thanks for the moral support while I wrestled with
it! Dontcha just love a happy ending?!
Ben
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Barry Kelman
I have just "upgraded" from Ti4600 to 9700pro and to be honest I don't see
muct improvement while playing Call of Duty or Medal of Honor.
Forgive my ignorance but where do you set FF anansio? Can anyone advise on
the setups the get max performance out of these 2 games with the 9700pro
Regards
Barry
muct improvement while playing Call of Duty or Medal of Honor.
Forgive my ignorance but where do you set FF anansio? Can anyone advise on
the setups the get max performance out of these 2 games with the 9700pro
Regards
Barry
Scotter said:
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N´far
Barry Kelman said:
An outdated driver mayby ? Actually you might wanna try the ATI groups.
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husker3in4
I went from several lines of Geforce cards (upgrading over the years) to a Radeon 9800 Pro. Performance for the money is
good, but the drivers are always buggy. Wierd artifacting and other annoyances. I sold it (made all my money back) and forked
up for the 6800GT. I couldnt be happier. Awesome performance, stable drivers and great gameplay!
good, but the drivers are always buggy. Wierd artifacting and other annoyances. I sold it (made all my money back) and forked
up for the 6800GT. I couldnt be happier. Awesome performance, stable drivers and great gameplay!