Anyone really understand AIW 9600 setup?

[singlewchildren]

I just read a recent post and have to agree that to get from VHS to
DVD, its probably better all the way around to use a standalone burner,
and edit them from there. Wise advice.

However, I HATE to lose to a computer, and so I am going to beat on
this till I die, or drop dead of old age

In case anyone might be able to help, I will try the reader's digest
version. <g>

I got an AIW 9600, and since I had to buy the cables from ATI, I also
purchased the CD with all the drivers on it, thinking that would make
it easier.

Rather than muck up my working system, I put in a new boot drive, and
installed the same Win2K SP4 that I use regularly. I figured that if I
just let the CD do the default install, I would learn if I had the
correct drivers and configurations. It installed perfectly, and came up
with all the features working that I could test.

Bouyed by that, I backed up my main system drive, and installed the
same way onto my every day setup, Win2K, SP4, ......and it fails......
I am so upset its just not all that funny

WHen I try to open TV app, It errors and tells me that:

The TV Player failed to initialize the video
Check the Device Manager to ensure that the correct video driver has
been installed, and is working properly

The MMC PC test reports all is well except that "Capture driver is not
loaded nor enumerated by the de......... (end of screen space, I guess
it is trying to report -device- or something....)

Of course, nothing works without that, so I have tried all I can figure
out, and cannot understand what it wants. I get the concept of the
capture driver, but I cannot translate that into just what the heck
file is wrong, missing, or broken, so I cannot fix it.

The device manager says I have the video driver loaded, it is version
6.14.10.6483 but I don't think that is what the error message wants me
to check, and I don't know where else to look

I downloaded every driver file on the ATI site for Win2K, and have
installed, uninstalled, updated, and basically wasted three days trying
to get past this. What causes my hair to fall out is that the other
drive that I started with fresh, came out of the chute
working........... Augh

I can handle computers, I understand the concepts that I am trying to
work with here, but for the life of me, I cannot understand what this
cryptic piece of software wants me to do, to get things working......

If there is anyone who can explain what it wants from me, I would
really like to hear from you. As I said, I hate to lose, and I simply
refuse to delete my present installation and start over again, when I
do not know if that will be successful. I can live with reinstalls when
I know that when I am done, it will work, but for now, I find ATI is
very inept at their docs and files. Plus, I hate the way I cannot get
to a human being, on the phone (no, I won't pay $$$) or via emails.....

Anyway, I don't mean to rant about ATI, I just wish to understand what
the capture driver is, where to check it, what piece of software will
install it.

If you read this far, I am obliged to you, and would be grateful for
any ideas or suggestions.

Thanks a lot,

Mark

 

[Gypsy Baron]

-SNIP-
WHen I try to open TV app, It errors and tells me that:

The TV Player failed to initialize the video
Check the Device Manager to ensure that the correct video driver has
been installed, and is working properly
-SNIP-

If you read this far, I am obliged to you, and would be grateful for
any ideas or suggestions.

Thanks a lot,

Mark

I got that same errot messsage the other day when I attempted to
enable "fast writes". Disabling them, the TV app works fine.

I have a AIW 9600 Pro, WinXP Pro.

Paul

 

[Barry Watzman]

I used to know what that message meant, but I've forgotten. My
recollection is that it had something to do with a missing or outdated
component that needed to be loaded BEFORE the ATI drivers. I'm thinking
it was one of:

-DirectX
-WDM drivers
-WDM capture

But I can't remember.

That said, to be honest about it, while the AIW cards will do capture
(if you get all the necessary software loaded and working), they are a
terrible capture device .... the image quality just isn't that good (in
fact, in my experience, it's quite bad). The best capture device is a
Sony digital camcorder with A-to-D "pass through" capture. But many of
the other USB 2.0 or firewire external capture devices will do a better
job than the AIW, which in my experience produces a grainy, noisy capture.

 

[Chuck U. Farley]

I just read a recent post and have to agree that to get from VHS to

DVD, its probably better all the way around to use a standalone burner,
and edit them from there. Wise advice.

If you're just doing a basic slice and dice to edit out commercials or Aunt
Bessie laughing and farting at the same time, mpeg format is no longer the
problem it used to be three or four years ago.

Bouyed by that, I backed up my main system drive, and installed the
same way onto my every day setup, Win2K, SP4, ......and it fails......
I am so upset its just not all that funny

WHen I try to open TV app, It errors and tells me that:

I'm not sure as I have never worked with Win2K but it could be that your
version of MMC is using WDM drivers and Win2K uses VFW drivers. Again, I'm
just guessing and don't have the time to research but my guess is your
problem originates with the OS. That being said, you may want to try
alternative s/w to capture from the AIW such as iuVCR as used here:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/capture/avi/avi.htm#iuvcr

or VirtualDub as used here:

http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=89899

These are freeware/shareware (at least they were 3 or 4 years ago) so it
would be worth a shot. avi_io is another possibility as well.

I can handle computers, I understand the concepts that I am trying to
work with here, but for the life of me, I cannot understand what this
cryptic piece of software wants me to do, to get things working......

Once you get it working you'll wonder what took you so long. <g> It's really
not that difficult but again, Win2K is probably the source of your problems.

You might also want to check out the forums at www.videohelp.com and
http://forum.doom9.org/ rather than this ng for more experienced hands at
video capture and manipulation. The negative opinions you've received in
here regarding AIW cards are from people who don't know what they're doing
and couldn't make the effort, like you're doing, to find out what they were
doing wrong.

To show you the possibilities, here's a couple of videos I did capturing
from sat, internet and web sources from my 9600 AIW. Titles, transitions,
audio mixing and other advanced techniques are best performed in
uncompressed format and the A/D conversion done in the AIW is far superior
to any mpeg only capture card and easily equal to the pass-through in a
digital camera. You just have to know what you're doing.

I hope you're not a stark raving Republican or you're not going to like what
you see. <g>

http://www.onworldsedge.com/Osama BB.wmv

http://www.onworldsedge.com/New York Minute BB.wmv

http://www.onworldsedge.com/Cost of War BB.wmv


Keep in mind these are wmv's meant for downloading so the quality is not as
visible as it is in DVD or original AVI format but you should get the idea.

Keep working at it, you'll succeed.

 

[xmradio]

If you're just doing a basic slice and dice to edit out commercials or
Aunt
Bessie laughing and farting at the same time, mpeg format is no longer the
problem it used to be three or four years ago.


I'm not sure as I have never worked with Win2K but it could be that your
version of MMC is using WDM drivers and Win2K uses VFW drivers. Again, I'm
just guessing and don't have the time to research but my guess is your
problem originates with the OS. That being said, you may want to try
alternative s/w to capture from the AIW such as iuVCR as used here:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/capture/avi/avi.htm#iuvcr

or VirtualDub as used here:

http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=89899

These are freeware/shareware (at least they were 3 or 4 years ago) so it
would be worth a shot. avi_io is another possibility as well.


Once you get it working you'll wonder what took you so long. <g> It's
really
not that difficult but again, Win2K is probably the source of your
problems.

You might also want to check out the forums at www.videohelp.com and
http://forum.doom9.org/ rather than this ng for more experienced hands at
video capture and manipulation. The negative opinions you've received in
here regarding AIW cards are from people who don't know what they're doing
and couldn't make the effort, like you're doing, to find out what they
were
doing wrong.

To show you the possibilities, here's a couple of videos I did capturing
from sat, internet and web sources from my 9600 AIW. Titles, transitions,
audio mixing and other advanced techniques are best performed in
uncompressed format and the A/D conversion done in the AIW is far superior
to any mpeg only capture card and easily equal to the pass-through in a
digital camera. You just have to know what you're doing.

I hope you're not a stark raving Republican or you're not going to like
what
you see. <g>

http://www.onworldsedge.com/Osama BB.wmv

http://www.onworldsedge.com/New York Minute BB.wmv

http://www.onworldsedge.com/Cost of War BB.wmv


Keep in mind these are wmv's meant for downloading so the quality is not
as
visible as it is in DVD or original AVI format but you should get the
idea.

Keep working at it, you'll succeed.

videos are well done...thanks



xman

9600 ati aiw 754 athlon

 

[T Shadow]

I just read a recent post and have to agree that to get from VHS to
DVD, its probably better all the way around to use a standalone burner,
and edit them from there. Wise advice.

However, I HATE to lose to a computer, and so I am going to beat on
this till I die, or drop dead of old age

In case anyone might be able to help, I will try the reader's digest
version. <g>

I got an AIW 9600, and since I had to buy the cables from ATI, I also
purchased the CD with all the drivers on it, thinking that would make
it easier.

Rather than muck up my working system, I put in a new boot drive, and
installed the same Win2K SP4 that I use regularly. I figured that if I
just let the CD do the default install, I would learn if I had the
correct drivers and configurations. It installed perfectly, and came up
with all the features working that I could test.

Bouyed by that, I backed up my main system drive, and installed the
same way onto my every day setup, Win2K, SP4, ......and it fails......
I am so upset its just not all that funny

WHen I try to open TV app, It errors and tells me that:

The TV Player failed to initialize the video
Check the Device Manager to ensure that the correct video driver has
been installed, and is working properly

The MMC PC test reports all is well except that "Capture driver is not
loaded nor enumerated by the de......... (end of screen space, I guess
it is trying to report -device- or something....)

Of course, nothing works without that, so I have tried all I can figure
out, and cannot understand what it wants. I get the concept of the
capture driver, but I cannot translate that into just what the heck
file is wrong, missing, or broken, so I cannot fix it.

The device manager says I have the video driver loaded, it is version
6.14.10.6483 but I don't think that is what the error message wants me
to check, and I don't know where else to look

I downloaded every driver file on the ATI site for Win2K, and have
installed, uninstalled, updated, and basically wasted three days trying
to get past this. What causes my hair to fall out is that the other
drive that I started with fresh, came out of the chute
working........... Augh

I can handle computers, I understand the concepts that I am trying to
work with here, but for the life of me, I cannot understand what this
cryptic piece of software wants me to do, to get things working......

If there is anyone who can explain what it wants from me, I would
really like to hear from you. As I said, I hate to lose, and I simply
refuse to delete my present installation and start over again, when I
do not know if that will be successful. I can live with reinstalls when
I know that when I am done, it will work, but for now, I find ATI is
very inept at their docs and files. Plus, I hate the way I cannot get
to a human being, on the phone (no, I won't pay $$$) or via emails.....

Anyway, I don't mean to rant about ATI, I just wish to understand what
the capture driver is, where to check it, what piece of software will
install it.

If you read this far, I am obliged to you, and would be grateful for
any ideas or suggestions.

Thanks a lot,

Mark

Everything you need to know about installing is in ATI's WebPages.
If you look at the bottom right hand side of the d/l page you'll see the
Release Notes for the WDM drivers. Once you read this you should be able to
tell if the drivers are installed correctly by looking in Device Manager.
These are the drivers for the multimedia part of the AIW.
I install MMC in the order the items appear on the MMC page.
When an MMC install doesn't work I do a Repair install on MMC then if that
doesn't work uninstall with the CatUninstaller and reinstall. If that
doesn't work do a complete cleaning per ati.com/install. The last one is
what you need to do before anything else.
You might want to try an older version of the Cats like say 5.10. Use the
Control Panel version that doesn't require .net.
Make sure you have one of the correct versions of DX and run DxDiag to make
sure it doesn't have problems. Do you have the latest chipset drivers for
your M/B on this O/S install?
Good Luck

 

[singlewchildren]

I used to know what that message meant, but I've forgotten. My
recollection is that it had something to do with a missing or outdated
component that needed to be loaded BEFORE the ATI drivers. I'm thinking
it was one of:

-DirectX
-WDM drivers
-WDM capture

Please don't misread my words as anything like defensive The CD I
bought autoruns, and the install proceeds automagically, so I have not
tried to install things individually. I find the entire process, the
poorly named files, and the complete lack of documentation to be very
frustrating. Probably just me tho, because I didn't research the card
and seek it out for my own purpose. The boss said 'here is a card, see
how it works, and what kind of quality it provides' so I started from

That said, to be honest about it, while the AIW cards will do capture
(if you get all the necessary software loaded and working),

That seems to be the biggest trick of them all. The amazing part is, I
took a clean hard drive, installed the same OS and SP using the same
computer, and using the autorun, auto installer on the CD, it did its
thing, and came out of the chute working. I switched back to my regular
system drive, ran the same install, and it puked. <shrug>

Thanks a lot. I appreciate your input and experience.

Mark

 

[singlewchildren]

I'm not sure as I have never worked with Win2K but it could be that your
version of MMC is using WDM drivers and Win2K uses VFW drivers. Again, I'm
just guessing and don't have the time to research but my guess is your
problem originates with the OS. That being said, you may want to try
alternative s/w to capture from the AIW such as iuVCR as used here:


or VirtualDub as used here:

Thanks Chuck. I downloaded the Vdub but quickly realized that I can't
use it, or any others, unless I can get the ATI capture device driver
loaded..... Looks like that is a neat little program, so I look forward
to giving it a go, once I can get a capture device working on my
machine.

The odd part is, the CD I install from did everything perfect on a
clean hard drive in my pc, but when I installed onto the existing
drive/system, it fails to load the capture driver.....

You might also want to check out the forums at www.videohelp.com and
http://forum.doom9.org/ rather than this ng for more experienced hands at
video capture and manipulation.

Thank you. I will be going there to see what's up.

I hope you're not a stark raving Republican or you're not going to like what
you see. <g>

Not to worry, I am not one of the two warring parties

Keep working at it, you'll succeed.

I intend to win <g> just not sure how long that will take, given the
need to do other things. I already know a lot more about what is
missing, and so all I need to do is find out how to figure out where it
goes, and what it is. Unless the boss jerks the card away, I shall
persevere.

Thank you Chuck,

Mark

 

[singlewchildren]

I got that same errot messsage the other day when I attempted to
enable "fast writes". Disabling them, the TV app works fine.

I have a AIW 9600 Pro, WinXP Pro.

Paul,

Can you point me to where I will find that setting to disable it?

Thanks

Mark

 

[Barry Watzman]

If you are still using win2K, try XP instead. All of your problems
might go away.

 

[singlewchildren]

Everything you need to know about installing is in ATI's WebPages.

I find their pages to be very confusing, but I shall persevere.

If you look at the bottom right hand side of the d/l page you'll see the
Release Notes for the WDM drivers. Once you read this you should be able to
tell if the drivers are installed correctly by looking in Device Manager.
Make sure you have one of the correct versions of DX and run DxDiag to make
sure it doesn't have problems. Do you have the latest chipset drivers for
your M/B on this O/S install?

I believe so. Its a very new board/CPU, plus, I have the entire ATI
suite loaded and working fine, on another hard drive with the same
Win2K SP4 that I can plug into the machine, and it runs perfectly.
Just cannot get the capture device to load on my existing setup...
<shrug> Very odd indeed.

When I boot the other hard drive, that this all works on okay, I go
into the device manager, expecting to find some mention of a video
capture device, hoping to track it down and figure out where it goes,
but I see nothing in device manager that seems even close to a capture
device driver. Can you tell me what it is, where it is listed, or how
to find it in device manager?

I will scrutinize the web pages more closely as you suggest, but my
question now is, what is up with their web site?

The download page has been broken for the past 24 hours at least. I
cannot get there anymore.

Anyone else able to access it?

Much obliged for the assist

Mark

 

[Gypsy Baron]

Paul,

Can you point me to where I will find that setting to disable it?

Thanks

Mark

I find it under ATI Display Settings/SMARTGART

I also have an enable/disable in my MB bios.

Paul

 

[singlewchildren]

If you are still using win2K, try XP instead. All of your problems
might go away.

Well, I can't afford to buy winXP, but I do accept donations

On a larger scale, figuring that with XP, all of my problems might go
away, is right up there with the old "I'm from the government, and I am
here to help you"

Thanks,

Mark

 

[T Shadow]

I find their pages to be very confusing, but I shall persevere.


I believe so. Its a very new board/CPU, plus, I have the entire ATI
suite loaded and working fine, on another hard drive with the same
Win2K SP4 that I can plug into the machine, and it runs perfectly.
Just cannot get the capture device to load on my existing setup...
<shrug> Very odd indeed.

When I boot the other hard drive, that this all works on okay, I go
into the device manager, expecting to find some mention of a video
capture device, hoping to track it down and figure out where it goes,
but I see nothing in device manager that seems even close to a capture
device driver. Can you tell me what it is, where it is listed, or how
to find it in device manager?

I will scrutinize the web pages more closely as you suggest, but my
question now is, what is up with their web site?

The download page has been broken for the past 24 hours at least. I
cannot get there anymore.

Anyone else able to access it?

Much obliged for the assist

Mark

Neither W2K or XP pages seem to be working correctly. Was able to get to the
page by clicking on >more .

You should be seeing these in Sound,Video and Game Controllers without a red
X or yellow !.
ATI WDM Specialized PCD Codec
ATI WDM Rage Theater Audio
ATI WDM Rage Theater Video NSP
ATI WDM TV Audio Crossbar
ATI WDM TV Tuner
ATI WDM Specialized MVD Codec

You shouldn't see anything listed as unknown. If your seeing the Unified
driver the Release Notes aren't up to date and I would get an older
version(Cat6.1).

Probably you had a bad install and manual cleaning per ati.com/install will
fix it. Could be that you have a problem with the O/S on that drive. Some
people have better luck after reinstalling the O/S. The one time I tried
it(XP/MMC9.13), it made no difference. Save it as a last resort.

 

[Stephen Howard]

Well, I can't afford to buy winXP, but I do accept donations

On a larger scale, figuring that with XP, all of my problems might go
away, is right up there with the old "I'm from the government, and I am
here to help you"

I recently went through much the same with a Sapphire AIW 9800 pro,
same OS.

I ended up using an install based around the 9.02 media centre and the
matching drivers and installed the drivers in the following order:

AIW driver
Control panel
Tv capture driver
Dao - Mdac driver
Media centre

I didn't bother with the catalyst control centre.

Lo and behold, the TV worked.


Hope that helps,

Regards,

 

[singlewchildren]

I ended up using an install based around the 9.02 media centre and the
matching drivers and installed the drivers in the following order:

AIW driver
Control panel
Tv capture driver
Dao - Mdac driver
Media centre

I didn't bother with the catalyst control centre.

Thanks Stephen. I kind of figure that a fresh OS install will get me
there, but I have too much going on, too many apps, and not that much
time to want to reinstall, but conversations like this one here have
helped me narrow this problem down and to understand a bit more. I am
going to have to assume that the capture driver is not loading due to a
conflict with something already on my machine, such as the Nero
software, or perhaps Ulead DVD suite.

These I can uninstall easier than resinstalling win2K and far too man
apps

My question today would be, does anyone know what is the install file
name for the capture driver? I have the entire suite installed, but the
capture driver failed to install. If I delete some of my applications,
what do I need to run to see if the capture driver will then install?
Is there a stand alone exe to do that, or is it embedded in one of the
other installations? I would also like to understand where on my system
I can see the proof of the capture driver being installed correctly, if
that is possible

I sure know more than I did a few weeks, ago, and sooner or later, I
will beat this thing into submission

Thanks a lot

Mark

 

[T Shadow]

My question today would be, does anyone know what is the install file
name for the capture driver? I have the entire suite installed, but the
capture driver failed to install. If I delete some of my applications,
what do I need to run to see if the capture driver will then install?
Is there a stand alone exe to do that, or is it embedded in one of the
other installations? I would also like to understand where on my system
I can see the proof of the capture driver being installed correctly, if
that is possible

I sure know more than I did a few weeks, ago, and sooner or later, I
will beat this thing into submission

Thanks a lot

Mark

Right click My Computer, click properties, click Hardware tab, click Device
Manager... The drivers are in "Sound, video and game controllers". If you
have a problem it will already be open. If it isn't click on the + beside it
then double click each ATI item to make sure they say "the driver is working
properly".
All of the items in the link previously mentioned should be listed. If
something is missing you should have an Unknown item.

 

[Stephen Howard]

Thanks Stephen. I kind of figure that a fresh OS install will get me
there, but I have too much going on, too many apps, and not that much
time to want to reinstall, but conversations like this one here have
helped me narrow this problem down and to understand a bit more. I am
going to have to assume that the capture driver is not loading due to a
conflict with something already on my machine, such as the Nero
software, or perhaps Ulead DVD suite.

These I can uninstall easier than resinstalling win2K and far too man
apps

My question today would be, does anyone know what is the install file
name for the capture driver? I have the entire suite installed, but the
capture driver failed to install. If I delete some of my applications,
what do I need to run to see if the capture driver will then install?
Is there a stand alone exe to do that, or is it embedded in one of the
other installations? I would also like to understand where on my system
I can see the proof of the capture driver being installed correctly, if
that is possible

Mine reads:

tv-capture-wdm-6-14-10-6246.exe

Regards,