Antec 1200 did come with a HD screw bag ! ;) =D


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Skybuck Flying

Hello,

Something really stupid and annoying happened, which I share with you so you
learn from it as well and don't fall into the same trap with antec 1200
mounting system:

So a few days or weeks ago I started mounting my new harddisks... and I also
started fixing my DreamPC which died.

At the start I saw this screw bag with very long screws in it... and I
thought "nope can't use those, so I forgot about it".

I was thinking "I need those typically small little screws for the HD's".

But then I discovered the Antec 1200 actually needs those long screws.

But I totally did not "link" the "big deep holes" with "the screw bag".

So I was totally under the impression that I didn't have any extra screws...

So I instead I descrewed 2 of 4 screws of each harddisk and uses 2 of those
for the new harddisk.

End result is now that 4 harddisks are each attached with just 2 screws
which I wonder if that's safe/better or not safe/worse.

So I've been spending a lot of time fixing my pc, documenting things,
sticky-taping some cables and ONLY AT THE VERY END do I RE-DISCOVER THE BAG
! LOL...

And then SUDDENLY I REALIZE THOSE ARE THE GODDAMN FOKKING SCREWS ! THAT I
COULD HAVE USED ! OH MY GOD... I WAS SO FOKKING TIRED I WAS LIKE FOK... I'LL
DO THAT TOMORROW...

I think it's safer to put 4 screws into each harddisk and the bag has PLENTY
of screws for that it seems...I am not 100% sure it are the correct screws
but what else could it be ?! ;) So I am 99.9% sure those screws belong to
the antec case.

However there is no label on the goddamn bag ! So I put my OWN LABEL on it !

So lesson learned for ANTEC and ADVICE TO ANTEC:


*** !!! LABEL THE GODDAMN BAG IF YOU USE SPECIAL SCREWS !!! ***


I now labelled it as follows:

"ANTEC 1200 HD SCREW BAG !"


So that in the future I immediatly know what those screws are for since they
are pretty weird ! ;) =D

So tomorrow I am going to detach my fricking computer one more time...
Hopefully I don't break anything at the very last moment... and fokking
screw in the missing screws so that hopefully my PC can last another few
years ! ;) =D Or maybe even forever !

So one more day of fokking with it is probably ok for long term !

But gjezus fokking christ does this cost energy !

I even told my mother about the missing screws and she gave me her screw bag
which didn't really have those screws but it was nice of her anyway ! LOL.

I am gonna tell her this story ! (later on...) and she will probably also
go:

"gjezus fokking christ ! LOL".

FOK such a stupid story ! It's so fokking annoying ! LOL.

Yes go ahead... laugh your ass off ! ;) =D Be nasty !

It's not like you GOD or anything and you don't ever make mistakes or don't
understand something GJEZUS FOKKING CHRIST ! ;) =D

Well I guess I should be glad I finally found the fokking screw bag and
ACTUALLY REALIZED what's it for ! GJEZUS ! ;) =D

I do hope ANTEC TAKES BIG NOTES and fricking labels the (screw) bags next
time ! ;) =D

(I also had another general screw bag in my motherboard box where I keep all
kinds of screws)

(The antec bag also had some general screws but also the special long
screws)

(Anyway way to go antec for delivering screws with the case thank god for
that ! ;) Since these screws probably hard to find (never tried though,
thank god for that... otherwise I would have wasted even more energy and
time LOL, almost sad really ! LOL <- yes let's laugh to make it less
bad/stupid/sad ! LOL ! ;))

(Pfewwwieee... anyway, my website about this new build gonna be great I hope
with lot's of usefull information and tips... there are plenty... perhaps
more tips for me... but also so tips for you guys... or especially those
that have same camera or same case or same stock cooler... It gonna take
some time to make it... first I must work more on my DreamPC and set things
up like HD screws and much more software ! So still gonna take a few days at
least !)

(Yup that's the price for installing a new windows os... lot's of stuff to
do ! ;))

KEEP THE HOPE ALIVE ! THE SITE AND THE INFO WILL COME SOON ! I HOPE LOL !

BUT I MAKE NO PROMISES BUT I WILL TRY ! ;)

(I NEED FRONTPAGE FOR WINDOWS 7 otherwise it gonna be even more difficult to
switch to XP but I will try that too ! ;))

Bye,
Skybuck.

OK REALLY BYE NOW ! ;) =D
 
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Chris S.

Skybuck Flying said:
Hello,

Something really stupid and annoying happened, which I share with you so
you learn from it as well and don't fall into the same trap with antec
1200 mounting system:

So a few days or weeks ago I started mounting my new harddisks... and I
also started fixing my DreamPC which died.

At the start I saw this screw bag with very long screws in it... and I
thought "nope can't use those, so I forgot about it".
Those "very long screws" are shouldered and mount the drives with
grommets on the drive bay. An Antec feature. Shock mounts the drives.
Intuitively obvious! Hardly a "trap"!
 
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Skybuck Flying

Chris S. said:
Those "very long screws" are shouldered and mount the drives with
grommets on the drive bay. An Antec feature. Shock mounts the drives.
Intuitively obvious! Hardly a "trap"!

Hmmm perhaps you know more about this...

The bag also contains "red circles/rings/washer-like-thingies"... what are
they for ?

Perhaps to place on motherboard screw holes ?!?

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
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Chris S.

Skybuck Flying said:
Hmmm perhaps you know more about this...

The bag also contains "red circles/rings/washer-like-thingies"... what are
they for ?

Perhaps to place on motherboard screw holes ?!?

Bye,
Skybuck.
Yes, they are insulating washers to be used between the case standoffs and
the motherboard. Rarely used.
 
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Skybuck Flying

Chris S. said:
Yes, they are insulating washers to be used between the case standoffs and
the motherboard. Rarely used.

These aren't necessary for a case like antec 1200 and ASRock socket
939/modern motherboards correct ?

Since motherboard has "holes" isolated ?!?

So these red rings probably for special situations or perhaps they could
offer extra protection ? ;)

Bye,
Skybuck :)
 
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Chris S.

Skybuck Flying said:
These aren't necessary for a case like antec 1200 and ASRock socket
939/modern motherboards correct ?

Since motherboard has "holes" isolated ?!?

So these red rings probably for special situations or perhaps they could
offer extra protection ? ;)

Bye,
Skybuck :)
Some "low end" motherboards were known to have
the screw hole grounding pads too close to other
traces, which could cause shorts to ground.
I haven't seen that problem in many years. In general,
you want the stand offs to ground the "ground plane"
to chassis ground.
 
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FatBytestard

yyaaawwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn


You had to quote 129 lines for that pathetic horseshit?

You are more retarded than SkyTard Masturbating is.

You are a true ****tard.
 
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Skybuck Flying

Paul said:
The motherboard is specifically designed, to touch the metal standoffs.
They
leave a grounding circle around each hole on the motherboard, to make
it possible for good electrical contact between the grounding circle
and the standoff.

That should tell you, it is safe for the motherboard to touch the standoff
and is how the motherboard designer wanted it.

If the motherboard designer wanted to "insulate" the motherboard, it's
possible to place a hole in the motherboard, with *no* electrical
contact on the top and bottom layer of the motherboard. They could
easily insulate it, if they wanted. Then, the head of the screw, and the
standoff underneath, would be touching (insulating) FR4 material. They
wanted to enhance ground contact between the motherboard and the chassis,
and that's why the metal rings around each hole are present.

The motherboard is grounded to the chassis, in several ways.

1) Motherboard standoffs provide a ground path.

2) ATX power supply metal chassis is at ground potential, and
ATX power supply mounting screws (4) help make a connection
into the chassis metal.

3) Black ground wires on the main power supply cable, are at the same
potential as the chassis of the power supply.

4) I/O plate metal fingers, touch I/O stacks on the motherboard,
That applies ground to the I/O stack, to reduce EMI.

The design is infused with ground, and it takes considerable effort
to entirely defeat all possible ground connections. A few "donuts"
won't stop it.

Ok thanks Paul, pretty excellent answer.

So applieing the red rings would actually worsen the situation in a way...
and actually goes against what the designer wanted/intended.

What seems to be an open/remaining question is what happens if the chasis is
not really grounded ?! But instead is under power (very maybe the red rings
could help here... but I doubt it since mb is grounded in different ways as
you stated by the backplate)

So as I receive more and more answers it's becoming apperent to me that the
"voltage" that is on the chasis for non-grounded PC has now many ways to
find itself into the PC itself/motherboard and I really wonder what effect
that could have on the motherboard and it's electronics, especially in light
of "frequent use of the reset switch" ;) (a little bit of current every time
is still a lot of current in total over period of time <- wear/fatigue ?!?
!;))

So another undocumented feature of the antec case... perhaps antec should
document that these red rings are only ment for really old motherboards,
just to prevent anybody from actually using them when it's not apropriate !
;)
(It's definetly not in the manual, I checked, also no word about the special
long screws ! ;) =D)

Bye,
Skybuck :)
 
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Paul

Skybuck said:
Ok thanks Paul, pretty excellent answer.

So applieing the red rings would actually worsen the situation in a way...
and actually goes against what the designer wanted/intended.

What seems to be an open/remaining question is what happens if the chasis is
not really grounded ?! But instead is under power (very maybe the red rings
could help here... but I doubt it since mb is grounded in different ways as
you stated by the backplate)

So as I receive more and more answers it's becoming apperent to me that the
"voltage" that is on the chasis for non-grounded PC has now many ways to
find itself into the PC itself/motherboard and I really wonder what effect
that could have on the motherboard and it's electronics, especially in light
of "frequent use of the reset switch" ;) (a little bit of current every time
is still a lot of current in total over period of time <- wear/fatigue ?!?
!;))

So another undocumented feature of the antec case... perhaps antec should
document that these red rings are only ment for really old motherboards,
just to prevent anybody from actually using them when it's not apropriate !
;)
(It's definetly not in the manual, I checked, also no word about the special
long screws ! ;) =D)

Bye,
Skybuck :)

As far as I'm concerned, the only significant issue if the computer ground is
missing, is the possibility of feeling an electric shock when touching the
computer chassis and touching an electrical ground at the same time. The shock
comes from the 1-2 milliamps of leakage current from the front end filter
in the ATX supply.

You should talk to an electrician, and see what provisions there are in
your country, for retrofitting a proper safety ground. Even if only one
outlet in your room had the safety ground, you could plug a power strip in
there, and power your computers from it.

Paul
 
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Skybuck Flying

Paul said:
As far as I'm concerned, the only significant issue if the computer ground
is
missing, is the possibility of feeling an electric shock when touching the
computer chassis and touching an electrical ground at the same time. The
shock
comes from the 1-2 milliamps of leakage current from the front end filter
in the ATX supply.

Wow such a low ammount of milliamps can create a shock huh ? ;)

Hmmm, me better make sure to get rid of those ! ;) :)

I'm still not completely statisfied though.

So time to write a post to mythbusters , maybe they will investigate ;)

Let the record show that I posted it :) =D:

"Killing a PC's motherboard by pressing the reset button repeatedly"

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9701967776/m/29419576801
You should talk to an electrician, and see what provisions there are in
your country, for retrofitting a proper safety ground. Even if only one
outlet in your room had the safety ground, you could plug a power strip in
there, and power your computers from it.

I will do so as soon as possible.

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
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Paul

Skybuck said:
Wow such a low ammount of milliamps can create a shock huh ? ;)

Hmmm, me better make sure to get rid of those ! ;) :)

I'm still not completely statisfied though.

So time to write a post to mythbusters , maybe they will investigate ;)

Let the record show that I posted it :) =D:

"Killing a PC's motherboard by pressing the reset button repeatedly"

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9701967776/m/29419576801


I will do so as soon as possible.

Bye,
Skybuck.

The reset button creates a logic level signal. There is no "power" involved
in the circuit to speak of. The input signal would be RESET#, meaning
it is an active low signal. That's why the two pin pair for the reset
switch, one wire is ground, the other wire is RESET#. The switch, "pulls"
the RESET# signal to zero volts (ground), which causes the motherboard
to reset itself.

There are user activities that aren't good for the computer. An example,
is toggling the power switch on the ATX supply, rapidly on and off. Doing
so, stresses the circuit limiting inrush currents. If you switch off the
power via the switch on the back of the computer, you should wait a few
seconds before turning it on again.

But the other controls, like the two buttons on the front of the computer,
are connected to logic signals. So they're pretty harmless.

The hard drive may not like having it's power interrupted over and over
again either. But many other parts of the computer, will have power
sequencing circuits, to control the order that things happen, and if
done well, there should be no harm to the motherboard.

Paul
 
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Skybuck Flying

Paul said:
The reset button creates a logic level signal. There is no "power"
involved
in the circuit to speak of. The input signal would be RESET#, meaning
it is an active low signal.

Sounds like power to me.
That's why the two pin pair for the reset
switch, one wire is ground, the other wire is RESET#. The switch, "pulls"

And where does the "ground wire" lead to ?
the RESET# signal to zero volts (ground), which causes the motherboard
to reset itself.

There are user activities that aren't good for the computer. An example,
is toggling the power switch on the ATX supply, rapidly on and off. Doing
so, stresses the circuit limiting inrush currents.

I suspect reset does the same thing perhaps on a lower scale.
If you switch off the
power via the switch on the back of the computer, you should wait a few
seconds before turning it on again.

Same with reset.
But the other controls, like the two buttons on the front of the computer,
are connected to logic signals. So they're pretty harmless.

The hard drive may not like having it's power interrupted over and over
again either. But many other parts of the computer, will have power
sequencing circuits, to control the order that things happen, and if
done well, there should be no harm to the motherboard.

I agree with the harddisk statement... harddisks might not like power
cuts...

I suspect one of my harddisk got a bad sector because of it...

Needed to reset because of creative labs drivers hanging xp shutdown :( !

Fortunately this bug not present in windows 7.

Bye,
Skybuck.
 

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