ANN: VS2005 SP1

[Mark Rae]

If you're downloading SP1 from M$, search for "Team Suite". <g>

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms364073(VS.80).aspx

Do a search within that page for "Visual Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition"

Note also the URL...

 

[BobF]

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms364073(VS.80).aspx

Do a search within that page for "Visual Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition"

Note also the URL...

An obvious problem with someone writing docs for M$. What does your box
say on it?

 

[Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]]

Following the links at the download page [1] I see no SP download
for Visual Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition. Which download should I
use?

There's no such product as VS 2005 Enterprise Edition. There's
Express, Standard, Professional and Team - no Enterprise. Unless
you're using an express edition, you should use the Team Suite
version as that will work for every version of VS.

-cd

Carl, Do you know if they've fixed the Emacs bugs in SP1? (Was not the
case in the SP1 beta)

I have no idea. I would imagine that there are very few noticible changes
between the release version and the beta.

Is everyone else using the standard MS Editor? Not sure why
programmers would like that editor at all.

Personally, I can't understand why people get so attached to their editor.
I've found it make my life much simpler to simply adapt and move on.

-cd

 

[clintonG]

Thanks for comments. I am using Professional Edition. My mistake came in
reading too fast and observing the suffix - ENU and dyslexically "reading"
as an Enterprise Edition as noted in the Add or Remove Programs entry which
reads...

Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition - ENU

What's ENU stand for?

 

[Laurent Bugnion]

Hi,

Thanks for comments. I am using Professional Edition. My mistake came in
reading too fast and observing the suffix - ENU and dyslexically "reading"
as an Enterprise Edition as noted in the Add or Remove Programs entry which
reads...

Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition - ENU

What's ENU stand for?

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ENU

My vote goes to English (USA) ;-)

HTH,
Laurent

 

[Guest]

Final: Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 (SP1).

Size: 431.7 MB

Did they rewrite Visual Studios?

 

[Guest]

Personally, I can't understand why people get so attached to their
editor. I've found it make my life much simpler to simply adapt and
move on.

I find the built in MS editor decent. Nothing wrong with it...

 

[Guest]

Given the problems I've had with the SP1 beta, I'll sit this one out
until there is a compelling reason. Or if there are reports of fixes
to Emacs, then I"ll be the guinea pig, and I'll report in about how it
went. If only anyone knew about Emacs patches. <g>

Anyone else use EMACs with VS.NET? Probably not very many???

 

[Bo Persson]

Size: 431.7 MB

Did they rewrite Visual Studios?

The original is 3500 MB, this is just a minor fixup.


Bo Persson

 

[Willy Denoyette [MVP]]

Size: 431.7 MB

Did they rewrite Visual Studios?

80% of this 400+ MB is attributed to VC, the ATL, CRT and MFC libraries and headers alone
contribute for >300MB, so I would say that this is more a VC++ SP than a VS2005 SP.

Willy.

 

[V]

I find the built in MS editor decent. Nothing wrong with it...

Many touch typists don't want to lift their fingers from the
asdf/jjkl; key position just to go find a delete key or backspace.
Those keys are at different places on various brands of keyboards.

Emacs, and even the old Wordstar editor, had control key combinations
that were under the fingers, and (aside from the control key itself),
always at the same places. You can type reflexively, without losing
some focus on code.

Don't you find the constant repositioning distracting? Even something
simple like cursor position--those keys are sometimes at the right
side, sometimes at the bottom,.etc. How do you avoid the distraction
of having to hunt for keys?

MS's standard keyboard mapping doesn't even have a
'kill-to-end-of-line' command. (I know, VS now has control-L, but kind
of an afterthought to their 'standard').

 

[Lucian Wischik]

Don't you find the constant repositioning distracting? Even something
simple like cursor position--those keys are sometimes at the right
side, sometimes at the bottom,.etc. How do you avoid the distraction
of having to hunt for keys?

I spend about 80% of my time thinking, 18% of my time typing and maybe
2% of my time editing. Moreover, every time I do editing it's a signal
that I need to spend more time thinking. So (1) having nonconventional
keystrokes for a rare task is actually worse, and (2) thinking is the
bottleneck, not keystrokes.

 

[Bruce W. Darby]

My vote is ENglish Unit

 

[V]

Anyone else use EMACs with VS.NET? Probably not very many???

My guess is that many have moved on to external plugin editors. Some
of the VS Emacs bugs are severe (copy/pasting incorrect text...How did
they mess that up? And why can't they fix it?).

Those bugs are listed on the MS Bug Report, but usually get closed
with "Won't Fix." Not a great response to anyone who takes the time
to spell out exactly how to trigger their bugs. Some of them should be
incredibly easy to fix.

Some bugs, like clipboard corruption, have effects that extend to
outside programs.

 

[Guest]

Don't you find the constant repositioning distracting? Even something
simple like cursor position--those keys are sometimes at the right
side, sometimes at the bottom,.etc. How do you avoid the distraction
of having to hunt for keys?

I never had that problem - maybe I'm not as old ;-) I grew up with these
keyboards, so I've always found typing on them natural.

But each to their own!

 

[Guest]

My guess is that many have moved on to external plugin editors. Some
of the VS Emacs bugs are severe (copy/pasting incorrect text...How did
they mess that up? And why can't they fix it?).

Oh I didn't know VS came with EMACs. I thought you were using an extermal
editor.

I liked EMACs when I worked with UNIX during my undergrad. It was
definately much nicer to use than VI.

 

[ShaneO]

I never had that problem - maybe I'm not as old ;-) I grew up with these
keyboards, so I've always found typing on them natural.

But each to their own!

I am just that bit older, and can touch-type, but don't believe those
skills provide any advantage for software development.

The only time touch-typing is of any advantage (in my opinion) is when
I'm entering the text to be displayed in a MessageBox or entering
comments. The rest of the time it would hardly matter if I was
one-handed with just one finger! (Except probably for two-key
combinations )

ShaneO

There are 10 kinds of people - Those who understand Binary and those who
don't.

 

[Guest]

V- [Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:40:45 -0500]:

'kill-to-end-of-line' command. (I know, VS now has control-L, but kind

I do a shift-end, then del. I don't think about
doing it -- I just do it.

 

[Frans Bouma [C# MVP]]

I spend about 80% of my time thinking, 18% of my time typing and maybe
2% of my time editing. Moreover, every time I do editing it's a signal
that I need to spend more time thinking. So (1) having nonconventional
keystrokes for a rare task is actually worse, and (2) thinking is the
bottleneck, not keystrokes.

Same here. Once I get to the typing, it's simply a matter of cranking
out a lot of code, and I want to avoid re-doing pieces of code as that
signals that I wasted time earlier on (because I have to remove work I
wrote before) and IMHO that suggests I didn't think it through enough.

FB

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[Frans Bouma [C# MVP]]

Anyone else use EMACs with VS.NET? Probably not very many???

As an ex-VI-user I can't understand why people even want to use Emacs'
typing style in modern editors.

FB

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