amd or intel?

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Ben> ...which clearly show that they have no bias away from Linux.
Ben> The guy apparently got no help, regardless of whether he said
Ben> the issue was found within Linux or Windows.

Ben> He's also an extreme rambler, doesn't he just go on and on
Ben> without really saying much?

Ben> I just did this search and found a possible fix:
Ben> http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=K8V+SE+VPD+network+OR+NIC

Ben> First link... as always.

Wow! First link. Anyway the did not give support for Windows either. I
guess the author forgot to mention that. Whatever

Thanks

 

[Wes Newell]

Ben> ...which clearly show that they have no bias away from Linux.
Ben> The guy apparently got no help, regardless of whether he said
Ben> the issue was found within Linux or Windows.

Ben> He's also an extreme rambler, doesn't he just go on and on
Ben> without really saying much?

Ben> I just did this search and found a possible fix:
Ben> http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=K8V+SE+VPD+network+OR+NIC

Ben> First link... as always.

Wow! First link. Anyway the did not give support for Windows either. I
guess the author forgot to mention that. Whatever

Clearly this just means that Asus could care less about defect. Saying
they don't support Linux was just an easy way for them to avoid the
problem.

But it's not that big of a problem, unless it happens to you I guess.

 

[Ben Pope]

Clearly this just means that Asus could care less about defect.

I assume you mean "couldn't care less".

Saying they don't support Linux was just an easy way for them to
avoid the problem.

Indeed.

My Registrar fobbed me off with "there is no process for transferring your
domain". Which was a lie. It's been transferred.

When enquiring the IP address of the DNS servers of my ISP, I was told to
"turn off DNS" (typical MS with misleading network configuration
terminology*). When I told them that turning off DNS would be a bit silly,
and that I was using Linux so the instructions they are reading off of their
screen is worthless to me, they said they didn't support Linux. I said they
didn't need to, they just had to give me the IP address of their DNS
servers! (Like I'd asked, like are provided on their website, but not
knowing the IP address of their website, I was a little stuck as I didn't
have any name resolution!)

*Has anybody tried configuring the firewall built into Window XP? What the
hell is an "input port"? Input to WHAT! Why Microsoft can't just use
"local" and "remote" like everybody else is beyond me.

"Customer Service" is a contradiction in terms for most companies. The
current trend of moving "customer service" depts to India and the like is a
typical example of this. I refuse to deal with a company that has that
attitude (if I can possibly help it) My time is worth more than a few quid
I might save. It's false economy.

But it's not that big of a problem, unless it happens to you I guess.

Agreed. The point is that Asus are hardly alone in poor customer service...
to single them out as a motherboard manufacturer whose products CANNOT work
with Linux is somewhat misleading.

Rarely have I found customer service of any company to be consistently good.
When average Joe will not buy products that cost a bit more to get better
service, what are the companies to do? Keep spending money on training to
get good service and then go bankrupt and not have any... or reduce costs
(and therefore quality) to compete?

I don't wish to single you out because you are not alone, but as an example
you spent $12 on a 600W PSU (am I right?) So you are Average Joe purchasing
products based on price, not quality. For $12 I know you aren't expecting
great things from it (or any kind of customer service, I would hope), hence
the spare one, and that is the extreme end of the scale, but it stuck in my
mind!

Rant over.

I feel much better. Thanks for listening.

Ben

 

[Wes Newell]

I don't wish to single you out because you are not alone, but as an
example you spent $12 on a 600W PSU (am I right?)

Nope, the 600W was $24. 500W $12, and 550W was $15, but the $15 included
shipping.

So you are Average Joe purchasing products based on price, not quality.

I don't think you could find one person that has worked with me call me
average, but I do try for the best bang for the buck. I don't care about
support for computer hardware as I know it quite well. I also know that if
I pay $100 for a PSU, that turns into $200, including the spare. I also
know that the failure rate of the cheap PSU's aren't that much greater
than ones costing 5-10 times as much. And I also know I wouldn't wait for
a warranrty repair/replacement to get my system back up so the warranty is
basiclly worthless to me. I also know that some of the so called major
brands are the same as ones costing 1/5 or less the pice of the major
brands. Of all the PSU's I used in the last 5 years, they are all still
working except one, and that was my fualt for being lazy when the fan
stopped and instead of opening the draweer for an non conductive stick I
have, I stuck a metal screwdriver in it, and one littlle slip was just a
little to far. Now just think how pissed I'd have been at myself if that
had been a $100 PSU.

For $12 I know you aren't expecting great things from it (or any kind of
customer service, I would hope), hence the spare one, and that is the
extreme end of the scale, but it stuck in my mind!

I've literally built hundreds of PC's for voicemail sytems we sold (and
also maintained). I've seen failures at all ends of the price spectrum and
the high end isn't any better than the low end in general. That includes
MB's, PSU's, CPU's and almost anything to do with with electronics
in desktop PC's. One exception to the low end was when I bought 10 new AT
PSU's for $2 each. They looked like crap and had a 20% failure rate.
Should have stayed with the $5 ones.

 

[Marshall Law]

Pure fiction written by someone with a grudge agains ASUS, see my post
under "Is this true about ASUS".

ASUS supports Linux to the same extent they support any other OS, not
at all.

The story is poorly laid out, of that there is no contest. Whether it is
fiction or not is another issue. It is also no contest that Asus is
benefitting from a Microsoft relantionship.

Personally, since this claim came out, I'm watching Asus more carefully but
I have not yet decided what the truth is.

 

[Pseudo Namen]

The story is poorly laid out, of that there is no contest. Whether it is
fiction or not is another issue. It is also no contest that Asus is
benefitting from a Microsoft relantionship.

Personally, since this claim came out, I'm watching Asus more carefully
but
I have not yet decided what the truth is.

If you were in business, wouldn't you choose the Lion's share over a meager
share? ASUS is in business to make money. Linux is for the most part a GNU
based OS, which is of course FREE. However, I have never heard of any ASUS
motherboard that couldn't run Linux, at least not the most popular versions
such as Mandrake or Redhat. There are many versions of Linux out there, and
there may be some that won't run well on Gigabyte, or Supermicro, or maybe
MSI???

The whole thing is based on some whiner who wants ASUS to write drivers for
an OS that is not only fringe, but has many distro's. Microsoft has
basically 4 distro's they support. Windows 9x/ME (one and the same
basically), Windows 2000, and Windows XP, Windows 2003 Server editions.

My motherboard brand is Chaintech. While it comes with Windows Drivers on
the CD, it doesn't come with Linux drivers. Does this mean they are
anti-Linux? I don't think so. Over 90% of PC's run Windows. Therefore, it
makes since for them to include drivers for Windows on it. But, I can get
drivers for my motherboard from NVIDIA, the maker of the chipset that is
used on my motherboard. NVIDIA also has Linux drivers too for this chipset.

Linux is not, I repeat NOT a major OS in the world, no matter how much you
want it to be. Get over it. Linux is a fringe OS, just as OS X is a fringe
OS. Which OS is better? That is for the consumer to decide. I like to use
both Mandrake & Windows. I would use Mandrake 10 64bit right now in
conjunction with Windows XP if Mandrake would support Mandrake 10 64bit, but
alas.... they choose not to. So for now, I am only running Windows XP Pro
until I can get another HD to run Mandrake 10.x on. ) (my 80gig HD is
much too small for running both XP and Mandrake. I have way too many games
and apps, and movies for that)

Ok, I digressed... LOL But you look on any CD that comes with the latest
motherboards, (motherboards made in the last year) and tell me which one has
native Linux drivers on it? Linux drivers, as well as Linux apps, are for
the most part written by users, not companies.

I hope this cleared this matter up.

 

[XS11E]

If you were in business, wouldn't you choose the Lion's share over
a meager share? ASUS is in business to make money. Linux is for
the most part a GNU based OS, which is of course FREE. However,
I have never heard of any ASUS motherboard that couldn't run
Linux, at least not the most popular versions such as Mandrake or
Redhat. There are many versions of Linux out there, and there may
be some that won't run well on Gigabyte, or Supermicro, or maybe
MSI???

The whole thing is based on some whiner who wants ASUS to write
drivers for an OS that is not only fringe, but has many distro's.
Microsoft has basically 4 distro's they support. Windows 9x/ME
(one and the same basically), Windows 2000, and Windows XP,
Windows 2003 Server editions.

Now, let's be perfectly fair here, ASUS does NOT write drivers for ANY
OS. When I bought my ASUS motherboard it came with a CD full of
drivers written by the manufacturers of the devices on the motherboard
and provided to ASUS by those companies, NONE of the drivers were
written by ASUS.

If the open source community wanted to provide drivers for those
devices they have two choices, send them to ASUS and have ASUS make a
Linux driver CD or do as always, include the drivers in the distro.
Either way works fine but if the drivers are included in the distro
it's possible to miss one.

Having said that, let me point out that my ASUS K8V SE Deluxe is an
AMD64 motherboard and it uses some uncommon hardware for sound and for
the LAN. The Mandrake 64 bit edition supports this MB fully and
completely, the Mandrake 10.0 32 bit distro does not. It appears that
Mandrake (maybe others?) has tailored the 64bit distro to available
64bit motherboards and that works for me! It's MUCH easier and faster
to install Mandrake and have everything work than it is to install
Windows XP and have NOTHING work until I insert the provided CD and
install sound, LAN and chipset drivers.

My motherboard brand is Chaintech. While it comes with Windows
Drivers on the CD, it doesn't come with Linux drivers. Does this
mean they are anti-Linux? I don't think so. Over 90% of PC's run
Windows. Therefore, it makes since for them to include drivers for
Windows on it. But, I can get drivers for my motherboard from
NVIDIA, the maker of the chipset that is used on my motherboard.
NVIDIA also has Linux drivers too for this chipset.

And I'll bet all or most of the needed drivers are included in the
distro if you're running the latest version?

 

[XS11E]

Wow! First link. Anyway the did not give support for Windows
either. I guess the author forgot to mention that. Whatever

The error does not occur in Windows (neither does it occur in Linux on
my ASUS K8V SE Deluxe MB?).

 

[Wes Newell]

The error does not occur in Windows (neither does it occur in Linux on
my ASUS K8V SE Deluxe MB?).

Sure it does. You just don't see it because the driver takes care of the
problem. If I buy a new car and there's a hole in the spare tire nothing
will be affected until I try and use it. The Linux driver tried to use it,
it failed, they wrote aroundit. Problem still there, just not visible.