AMD or Intel

[Papa]

I'll say this, Rita. You are opinionated - but unfortunately that is all
your statements are - opinions. The unvarnished truth - chip for chip - is
that both AMD and Intel produce very reliable, high performance CPUs. The
big difference between the two is COST.

By the way, your patronizing "neon light" comment is a cheap shot, a silly
smokescreen to hide the weakness of your argument. Serious AMD users do not
employ trinkets, as you apparently would like to think.

 

[Papa]

Why tell me? I didn't start this thread. And if you don't want it to
continue, why did you jump in and make the thread longer? Huh?

 

[Mike Tomlinson]

Why tell me? I didn't start this thread. And if you don't want it to
continue, why did you jump in and make the thread longer? Huh?

I suggest you learn how to post to usenet properly by quoting some
context so people can tell what earlier post you are referring to.

*plonk*

 

[Papa]

Duh! Not a clue, and he can't see the entire thread.

 

[Papa]

I couldn't agree more, and that is why I don't use it. Leave USENET to the
newbies.

 

[Rita_A_Berkowitz]

I'll say this, Rita. You are opinionated - but unfortunately that is all
your statements are - opinions. The unvarnished truth - chip for chip - is
that both AMD and Intel produce very reliable, high performance CPUs. The
big difference between the two is COST.

There is nothing "opinionated" about it, use your search engine without
cherry picking facts to support your beliefs and find some enlightenment.
You will soon see that the corporate world has never grasped the desire to
use AMD based machines. After reading through lots of the articles you will
start to get a feel as to why. You will start to see that there are very
little, if any, AMD based machines in corporate or governmental agencies.
Why is this? There has to be a valid reason for this that I'll let you
figure out on your own. The old argument of "COST" doesn't hold valid when
the cost of priceless data is at stake. Sorry, but the educated customer
has a clue.

By the way, your patronizing "neon light" comment is a cheap shot, a silly
smokescreen to hide the weakness of your argument. Serious AMD users do not
employ trinkets, as you apparently would like to think.

The "neon light" comment wasn't meant to be a cheap shot. Go into any
retail store such as CompUSA and they have all the fancy Plexi-Glass side
cover cases loaded with neon light bars, chrome plated power supply fan
grids, power supplies glowing with your choice of red, green, or blue LED.
And lastly, they promote the famous AMD with all of this inner-city ghetto
cladding. And you really want a corporate or governmental purchasing agent
to take AMD based product seriously? Granted, the light show can be fitted
to Intel also, but for some reason AMD is more suited for this scheme.



In the end, over the past 20+ years AMD never had any offerings for the
corporate or governmental world to be taken seriously. Granted, AMD offers
one the one thing Intel can't, a higher speed rating printed on the chip for
half of what Intel charges. So, I guess AMD is a real bargain, at least for
gamers.



Rita

 

[Egil Solberg]

There is nothing "opinionated" about it, use your search engine without
cherry picking facts to support your beliefs and find some enlightenment.
You will soon see that the corporate world has never grasped the desire to
use AMD based machines. After reading through lots of the articles you will
start to get a feel as to why. You will start to see that there are very
little, if any, AMD based machines in corporate or governmental agencies.
Why is this? There has to be a valid reason for this that I'll let you
figure out on your own. The old argument of "COST" doesn't hold valid when
the cost of priceless data is at stake. Sorry, but the educated customer
has a clue.

I think that a lot of corporate buyers are tied up by old beliefs and the
fear of trying something new. For the desktop in the corporate world I don't
see your point. The AMD Athlon MP CPU does lack a few features needed for
the corporate world, that's true, so until the Opteron platform I give you
right. Read here: http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000275
AMD also lacks the strategy predictability Intel offers, but for the smart
buyer it shouldn't mean a lot.

 

[Papa]

Rita, Rita, Rita. What can I say? I have read dozens of articles on the
subject over the years using the Google search engine, and have yet to see
even one that supports all of your claims.

And the "neon light" comment of yours was indeed a cheap shot. As I said
before, you used that comment to camouflage your very weak argument. What
does the "neon light" syndrome and other trinkets have to do with a CPU or
the subject at hand? The answer: nothing - other than it reflects the
shallowness of your statements.

Sorry, Rita, but I don't see how anyone could possibly take you seriously.

 

[Rod Speed]

There is nothing "opinionated" about it,

Hah. Typical rabid one eyed bigot.

 

[Rita_A_Berkowitz]

I think that a lot of corporate buyers are tied up by old beliefs and the

fear of trying something new. For the desktop in the corporate world I don't
see your point. The AMD Athlon MP CPU does lack a few features needed for
the corporate world, that's true, so until the Opteron platform I give you
right. Read here: http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000275
AMD also lacks the strategy predictability Intel offers, but for the smart
buyer it shouldn't mean a lot.

Unfortunately, these old beliefs are what drive or prevent sales. AMD
dropped the ball too many times to instill confidence in their customer
base. Don't get me wrong, I want to see AMD kick Intel's but with the new
Opteron. Real competition will only benefit the consumer. The Opteron does
show some promise. The major plus I see is that the Opteron can bridge the
gap between 32-bit and 64-bit without special software. Going by memory, I
think Cray is going to use 10,000 Opterons in their new supercomuter? This
is good news. I would like to see AMD succeed more mainstream.





Rita

 

[John Turco]

Any suggestion if I should choose AMD or Intel platform ? Does AMD still
have the VERY HOT issue ?

Hello, Newton:

Sorry, wrong newsgroup; here's a better one:

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Good luck!


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

 

[John Turco]

Rita, here are some points for you to think about (from an article in
Epinion.com):

Intel versus AMD, who are you betting on?

The Bottom Line With good points from all sides, the decision depends on the
application.

When working on a computer, all of what you are doing is processed by the
CPU (central processing unit), the brain of the computer if you will. Like
brains, computers aren't all of equal power. Some are the equivalent to a
rat brain, and some to Einstein. The trick is to find that sweat spot
between value and performance, that's when you've found the perfect
processor for you! But, before you decide how much power you want to jam in
that little chip, you're going to want to decide on the type. This my
friend, is where we enter a feud that has lasted longer than life itself
(well, at least for people that are younger than it!), the Intel versus AMD
feud.

From the early 80's when the company Intel was founded, (by the way, Intel
isn't derived from the word intelligence, it's a mix between the words
integrated electronics) Intel has taken off and dominated the home computer
market.

<cut remainder of message, for brevity>

Hello, Papa:

That article contains dated information and is, occasionally, just plain
wrong. For instance, Intel was established in 1968, as a memory
manufacturer; the company introduced the world's first CPU (used in a
Japanese electronic calculator), during 1971.

(AMD's history, on the othe hand, goes back to 1984...so, the author is
half-right, I guess. <g>)

Now, in keeping with this particular group's subject matter (i.e., storage),
I'd like to add a tidbit about Western Digital:

It began its existence as "General Digital" (a producer of semiconductors,
ironically enough) in 1970, and the next year, changed its name to
"Western Digital Corporation." WD helped pioneer storage-related chips
and disk controllers, throught the '70's and '80's (and even entered the
video card market, for a time).

It wasn't until 1988, that Westen Digital finally branched out into hard
drives -- and today, HDD's (and allied accessories) are WD's only product
line!


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

 

[J.Clarke]

Thanks for the explanation. It is quite detailed.

As for the "Netiquette" issue, I think I was well within the bounds of
good posting because the thread itself should tell the whole story.

You're assuming that everyone sees the entire thread. They don't. This
is not CompuServe or AOL or any other service where there is one server
somewhere that one person controls that contains all the posts that have
ever been posted.

My system has never dropped a post yet - other than the ones I block.

"Your system"? The systems from which you retrieve news get their
news from other servers that get it from other servers that get it
from other servers and so on. If any of those servers drops a post
then "your system" has no way of retrieving it. And how do you know
that it doesn't drop posts? The only way you can become aware that a
post has been dropped is if someone responds to it and quotes enough of
it that you can tell that you are missing a post.

I thought the RFC was pretty clear--you quote. Period. It doesn't say
"you quote unless your system doesn't ever drop a post". When you quote
you do not do it for yourself, you do it for others. Refusing to quote
is just plain self-centered and mean-spirited.

 

[Peter Martin]

That statement, no offense intended, is just plain bizarre.
Wrong.

What do you believe USENET to be and via what service
do you believe that you are receiving this message, if you
receive it? And what leads you to believe that USENET, which
predates the Internet by several years, is for "newbies"?

It was a snide remark about capitalising it, stupid.

He claims to use usenet and that only newbie uses the USENET form.

 

[J.Clarke]

Actually I assume if someone really wants good service, they'll get
it.

And how will they "get it"? I doubt that Bill Gates could obtain
service that guaranteed that he would get every post on USENET. If you
talk to the staff at Google Groups I believe that they will explain to
you that they do not get every post, despite having more resources than
any but the wealthiest individuals and despite being experts in the
field and despite it being their job to do so.

I have very little sympathy for those who don't. As I said,
neither I nor my acquaintenances have the "dropped post" problem.

That you are aware of. As for you and your acquaintances, you're coming
across as a snob.

Not correct.

Every thread I follow reads like a book, from beginning to end. If I
have missed a post, I sure didn't lose any continuity in the thread.

Fine, believe what you want to. Failing to quote is still a mark of
ignorance and deliberately refusing to do so is still discourteous.

Well, you are surely entitled to your opinion. Mine differs, and
please don't resort to name calling. That just dilutes your argument.

I did not "resort to name calling". I made an observation about persons
who choose to be discourteous to others by refusing to quote even when
asked politely to do so and when informed of the reasons for it.

In any case, since you are determined to be rude, I see no point in
further discussion with you.

 

[Papa]

Well, I'm glad we got that settled. ;>)

That statement, no offense intended, is just plain bizarre.
Wrong.

What do you believe USENET to be and via what service
do you believe that you are receiving this message, if you
receive it? And what leads you to believe that USENET, which
predates the Internet by several years, is for "newbies"?

It was a snide remark about capitalising it, stupid.

He claims to use usenet and that only newbie uses the USENET form.

 

[Papa]

Well, for the last several years I have used Outlook Express as my email
program and as my newsgroup newsreader. I have NEVER used those lousy web
interfaces, such as the CDO one. All they do is create confusion.

My newsgroup servers are msnews.Microsoft.com and news.west.earthlink.net.

What do you use?

I couldn't agree more, and that is why I don't use it. Leave USENET to
the newbies.

That statement, no offense intended, is just plain bizarre.

What do you believe USENET to be and via what service do you believe
that you are receiving this message, if you receive it? And what leads
you to believe that USENET, which predates the Internet by several
years, is for "newbies"?

 

[Papa]

Thanks for the explanation. It is quite detailed.

As for the "Netiquette" issue, I think I was well within the bounds of good
posting because the thread itself should tell the whole story. My system has
never dropped a post yet - other than the ones I block.

 

[chrisv]

Duh! Not a clue, and he can't see the entire thread.

Idiot.

 

[chrisv]

Thanks for the explanation. It is quite detailed.

As for the "Netiquette" issue, I think I was well within the bounds of good
posting because the thread itself should tell the whole story. My system has
never dropped a post yet - other than the ones I block.

Idiot.