After FP03: then what?

S

Stefan B Rusynko

What html tag are you using the 'align' attribute in for that error
- there is probably CSS that replaces that attribute

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| Hi
| New to this EW. After reading your post, got a lot of good tips.
| BUT
| hoe do I solve this:
| Page Line Issue Type Schema Problem Summary
| default.htm (Home) [15/18] 104 Incompatibility XHTML 1.0 Transitional The
| World Wide Web Consortium now regards the attribute 'align' as outdated.
| Newer constructs are recommended.
|
|
| What are/or where are these new constructs to be found ??
|
| Regards
| Simon
|
|
|
| "Tina Clarke" wrote:
|
| > >>
| > >> message | > >>> I'm convinced. Seems likely the name was changed to run from the
| > >>> reputation. Other than that, it's FP++ aligned to standards. (Now I just
| > >>> have to ponder the 600+ compatibility errors it generated for my site.
| > >>> Are there any "how to un-FrontPage your site" tutorials anywhere?)
| >
| > Well I've answered this a few times on here (webdesigner ng) on a how to do
| > that .. but not wrote a tutorial yet.
| >
| > Basically
| >
| > Setup EW FIRST. This is an essential part.
| > Backup your site twice- once for backup once for working copy.
| > First I do maintenance, which means checking all the graphics to see if they
| > are being used and if not they are removed to a storage web, you use the
| > hyperlinks view to check they are linked (previously in fp03 the reports
| > were not always accurate that they were linked or not ... I've not tested ew
| > on this and prefer to use my old tried and tested method)
| > I check all the links and fix anything that needs updating removing etc.
| > Check I need all the files I have remove or delete if needed.
| > Make a new template .. which has been tried out on different browsers, and
| > checked with content in it, complete with css file dwt and includes for
| > menus (my preferred method) also critiqued by several people for feedback.
| > Ok now i'm ready.
| >
| > Using the working copy site.
| > I take the first file in the folder list under the root... and work my way
| > down .. that way I know exactly where I'm up to.
| >
| > I open the page (if it had a dwt on before I detach the page)
| > I use the keyboard Control + A to select All.
| > Then Remove Formatting - keyboard Control + Shift + Z
| > (I find this quicker than using the menu since your fingers are all in the
| > same place)
| > This will remove quite a bit of the formatting however not all.
| > Next I select the content with the mouse and right click and press cut.
| > use the keyboard Control + A to select all and then press delete on the
| > keyboard.
| > right click and paste the content back.
| > Go to code view
| >
| > I will presume that your going the whole hog and will now be using xhtml
| > (all you need to know there is that everything should be lower case and the
| > closing tags have to have a slash and space - do you have to remember to do
| > this yourself? Hell no!)
| > Right click in code view and press Apply xml formatting rules - ew will
| > sort all that out for you.
| > Here is where you delete any external metas for css files
| > where you look to see what extra code is left over like inline styles .. you
| > will need to rely on find and replace, using find and replace in code view
| > or from the menu is not as intuitive sometimes as using the task pane find
| > and replace.
| > Look through several times and you can spot the extra coding left over ...
| > this includes span lang tags inline styles and font tags.
| > go back to the design side of the split view
| > select all with the keyboard and right click and cut.
| > attach the dwt you made to the page.. which will wipe out anything there
| > (except the editables you put around your description and keywords and title
| > right click in the content area and paste...
| > Now is the time to apply heading tags and to use the compatibility checker
| > which will help you fix all the problems that may occur.
| >
| > First go to code view and right click and apply xml formatting rules again
| > ... this usually sorts out a bunch of stuff.
| >
| > Use icons that will appear at the bottom in the status bar to run through
| > each problem, make sure you have alts on all your graphics for instance and
| > blank alts on your presentation graphics (i.e. part of the template for
| > example corners)
| > Use f9 to tab through them or use the compatibility task pane to go through
| > each of them.
| > You can also use the accessibility task pane and in general your css task
| > pane... since all styles should be in the external css file you should only
| > need to keep an on that at the beginning and end)
| > Look through code view once more to make sure no styles have crept in .. if
| > they have wipe them from the head and the html....
| >
| > Finally validate your page with the w3c... sometimes the validator will pick
| > up on things that the compatibility wont' and vice a versa.
| >
| > and so on for each page... by doing each page in this way you get a feel for
| > the overall site and it lets you think about moving things around. If you
| > need to change file names use a 301 redirect (for seo) new file names should
| > be written like so my-new-page.htm no uppercase no underscores no spaces.
| >
| > By having a template that you know validates properly, by having a dwt and a
| > css file where you know all you have to do is make one change and save ...
| > anything you need to change will be come so much easier.
| >
| > I've done this quite a few times and there are other things I use to get
| > pages looking spanking... but that's basically it above.... the very main
| > thing to do first is to set up ew though otherwise you will miss out on
| > helpful features. This post is just a basic outline.
| >
| > I've started a tutorial series on this at
| > http://any-expression.com/
| >
| > I suggest you also read before you start.
| >
| > http://accessfp.net/frontpage-2003/tutorials/cleaning-up-frontpage-code.htm
| > This is written for fp03 but carries some other links that will be of use.
| >
| > FrontPage DWT Ebook (free)
| > http://frontpage-ebooks.com/dwt-ebook.htm
| >
| > FrontPage Include Tutorial (again helpful towards ew)
| > http://anyfrontpage.com/ezine/va/frontpage-includes.htm
| > but read also
| > http://any-expression.com/expression-web/tutorials/insert-include-pages.htm
| >
| > FrontPage and CSS (again helpful towards ew)
| > http://accessfp.net/frontpage-2003/tutorials/information-about-css.htm
| > http://accessfp.net/frontpage-2003/tutorials/creating-css.htm
| >
| > When the site is ready I wipe the orginal OFF the server.... it's too easy
| > to have files remain.... then I publish in full... remember to recalculate
| > hyperlinks before publishing.
| > http://any-expression.com/expression-web/tips/recalculate-hyperlinks.htm
| >
| > hth Tina
| >
| >
| > http://expression-web.net - Expression Blog
| > http://any-expression.com/ - Expression Web Help
| > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/any-expression/ - Ezine
| >
| >
| >
 
R

Ronx

Use CSS instead.
Example (using inline styles, which would be better placed in a style
sheet)
<table>
<tr>
<td style="text-align:center; vertical-align:top;">This is text centred
in a cell, and forced to the top of the cell</td>
</tr>
</table>

--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp



Hi
New to this EW. After reading your post, got a lot of good tips.
BUT
hoe do I solve this:
Page Line Issue Type Schema Problem Summary
default.htm (Home) [15/18] 104 Incompatibility XHTML 1.0 Transitional The
World Wide Web Consortium now regards the attribute 'align' as outdated.
Newer constructs are recommended.


What are/or where are these new constructs to be found ??

Regards
Simon



Tina Clarke said:
Well I've answered this a few times on here (webdesigner ng) on a how to do
that .. but not wrote a tutorial yet.

Basically

Setup EW FIRST. This is an essential part.
Backup your site twice- once for backup once for working copy.
First I do maintenance, which means checking all the graphics to see if they
are being used and if not they are removed to a storage web, you use the
hyperlinks view to check they are linked (previously in fp03 the reports
were not always accurate that they were linked or not ... I've not tested ew
on this and prefer to use my old tried and tested method)
I check all the links and fix anything that needs updating removing etc.
Check I need all the files I have remove or delete if needed.
Make a new template .. which has been tried out on different browsers, and
checked with content in it, complete with css file dwt and includes for
menus (my preferred method) also critiqued by several people for feedback.
Ok now i'm ready.

Using the working copy site.
I take the first file in the folder list under the root... and work my way
down .. that way I know exactly where I'm up to.

I open the page (if it had a dwt on before I detach the page)
I use the keyboard Control + A to select All.
Then Remove Formatting - keyboard Control + Shift + Z
(I find this quicker than using the menu since your fingers are all in the
same place)
This will remove quite a bit of the formatting however not all.
Next I select the content with the mouse and right click and press cut.
use the keyboard Control + A to select all and then press delete on the
keyboard.
right click and paste the content back.
Go to code view

I will presume that your going the whole hog and will now be using xhtml
(all you need to know there is that everything should be lower case and the
closing tags have to have a slash and space - do you have to remember to do
this yourself? Hell no!)
Right click in code view and press Apply xml formatting rules - ew will
sort all that out for you.
Here is where you delete any external metas for css files
where you look to see what extra code is left over like inline styles .. you
will need to rely on find and replace, using find and replace in code view
or from the menu is not as intuitive sometimes as using the task pane find
and replace.
Look through several times and you can spot the extra coding left over ...
this includes span lang tags inline styles and font tags.
go back to the design side of the split view
select all with the keyboard and right click and cut.
attach the dwt you made to the page.. which will wipe out anything there
(except the editables you put around your description and keywords and title
right click in the content area and paste...
Now is the time to apply heading tags and to use the compatibility checker
which will help you fix all the problems that may occur.

First go to code view and right click and apply xml formatting rules again
... this usually sorts out a bunch of stuff.

Use icons that will appear at the bottom in the status bar to run through
each problem, make sure you have alts on all your graphics for instance and
blank alts on your presentation graphics (i.e. part of the template for
example corners)
Use f9 to tab through them or use the compatibility task pane to go through
each of them.
You can also use the accessibility task pane and in general your css task
pane... since all styles should be in the external css file you should only
need to keep an on that at the beginning and end)
Look through code view once more to make sure no styles have crept in .. if
they have wipe them from the head and the html....

Finally validate your page with the w3c... sometimes the validator will pick
up on things that the compatibility wont' and vice a versa.

and so on for each page... by doing each page in this way you get a feel for
the overall site and it lets you think about moving things around. If you
need to change file names use a 301 redirect (for seo) new file names should
be written like so my-new-page.htm no uppercase no underscores no spaces.

By having a template that you know validates properly, by having a dwt and a
css file where you know all you have to do is make one change and save ...
anything you need to change will be come so much easier.

I've done this quite a few times and there are other things I use to get
pages looking spanking... but that's basically it above.... the very main
thing to do first is to set up ew though otherwise you will miss out on
helpful features. This post is just a basic outline.

I've started a tutorial series on this at
http://any-expression.com/

I suggest you also read before you start.

http://accessfp.net/frontpage-2003/tutorials/cleaning-up-frontpage-code.htm
This is written for fp03 but carries some other links that will be of use.

FrontPage DWT Ebook (free)
http://frontpage-ebooks.com/dwt-ebook.htm

FrontPage Include Tutorial (again helpful towards ew)
http://anyfrontpage.com/ezine/va/frontpage-includes.htm
but read also
http://any-expression.com/expression-web/tutorials/insert-include-pages.htm

FrontPage and CSS (again helpful towards ew)
http://accessfp.net/frontpage-2003/tutorials/information-about-css.htm
http://accessfp.net/frontpage-2003/tutorials/creating-css.htm

When the site is ready I wipe the orginal OFF the server.... it's too easy
to have files remain.... then I publish in full... remember to recalculate
hyperlinks before publishing.
http://any-expression.com/expression-web/tips/recalculate-hyperlinks.htm

hth Tina


http://expression-web.net - Expression Blog
http://any-expression.com/ - Expression Web Help
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/any-expression/ - Ezine
 
C

Cheryl D Wise

CSS float is more or less the same as html align.

--
Cheryl D Wise
MS MVP FrontPage
http://by-expression.com - new forums: http://forum.by-expression.com
Online instructor led training http://starttoweb.com


SJE32 said:
Hi
New to this EW. After reading your post, got a lot of good tips.
BUT
hoe do I solve this:
Page Line Issue Type Schema Problem Summary
default.htm (Home) [15/18] 104 Incompatibility XHTML 1.0 Transitional The
World Wide Web Consortium now regards the attribute 'align' as outdated.
Newer constructs are recommended.


What are/or where are these new constructs to be found ??

Regards
Simon



Tina Clarke said:
Well I've answered this a few times on here (webdesigner ng) on a how to
do
that .. but not wrote a tutorial yet.

Basically

Setup EW FIRST. This is an essential part.
Backup your site twice- once for backup once for working copy.
First I do maintenance, which means checking all the graphics to see if
they
are being used and if not they are removed to a storage web, you use the
hyperlinks view to check they are linked (previously in fp03 the reports
were not always accurate that they were linked or not ... I've not tested
ew
on this and prefer to use my old tried and tested method)
I check all the links and fix anything that needs updating removing etc.
Check I need all the files I have remove or delete if needed.
Make a new template .. which has been tried out on different browsers,
and
checked with content in it, complete with css file dwt and includes for
menus (my preferred method) also critiqued by several people for
feedback.
Ok now i'm ready.

Using the working copy site.
I take the first file in the folder list under the root... and work my
way
down .. that way I know exactly where I'm up to.

I open the page (if it had a dwt on before I detach the page)
I use the keyboard Control + A to select All.
Then Remove Formatting - keyboard Control + Shift + Z
(I find this quicker than using the menu since your fingers are all in
the
same place)
This will remove quite a bit of the formatting however not all.
Next I select the content with the mouse and right click and press cut.
use the keyboard Control + A to select all and then press delete on the
keyboard.
right click and paste the content back.
Go to code view

I will presume that your going the whole hog and will now be using xhtml
(all you need to know there is that everything should be lower case and
the
closing tags have to have a slash and space - do you have to remember to
do
this yourself? Hell no!)
Right click in code view and press Apply xml formatting rules - ew will
sort all that out for you.
Here is where you delete any external metas for css files
where you look to see what extra code is left over like inline styles ..
you
will need to rely on find and replace, using find and replace in code
view
or from the menu is not as intuitive sometimes as using the task pane
find
and replace.
Look through several times and you can spot the extra coding left over
...
this includes span lang tags inline styles and font tags.
go back to the design side of the split view
select all with the keyboard and right click and cut.
attach the dwt you made to the page.. which will wipe out anything there
(except the editables you put around your description and keywords and
title
right click in the content area and paste...
Now is the time to apply heading tags and to use the compatibility
checker
which will help you fix all the problems that may occur.

First go to code view and right click and apply xml formatting rules
again
... this usually sorts out a bunch of stuff.

Use icons that will appear at the bottom in the status bar to run through
each problem, make sure you have alts on all your graphics for instance
and
blank alts on your presentation graphics (i.e. part of the template for
example corners)
Use f9 to tab through them or use the compatibility task pane to go
through
each of them.
You can also use the accessibility task pane and in general your css task
pane... since all styles should be in the external css file you should
only
need to keep an on that at the beginning and end)
Look through code view once more to make sure no styles have crept in ..
if
they have wipe them from the head and the html....

Finally validate your page with the w3c... sometimes the validator will
pick
up on things that the compatibility wont' and vice a versa.

and so on for each page... by doing each page in this way you get a feel
for
the overall site and it lets you think about moving things around. If you
need to change file names use a 301 redirect (for seo) new file names
should
be written like so my-new-page.htm no uppercase no underscores no spaces.

By having a template that you know validates properly, by having a dwt
and a
css file where you know all you have to do is make one change and save
...
anything you need to change will be come so much easier.

I've done this quite a few times and there are other things I use to get
pages looking spanking... but that's basically it above.... the very main
thing to do first is to set up ew though otherwise you will miss out on
helpful features. This post is just a basic outline.

I've started a tutorial series on this at
http://any-expression.com/

I suggest you also read before you start.

http://accessfp.net/frontpage-2003/tutorials/cleaning-up-frontpage-code.htm
This is written for fp03 but carries some other links that will be of
use.

FrontPage DWT Ebook (free)
http://frontpage-ebooks.com/dwt-ebook.htm

FrontPage Include Tutorial (again helpful towards ew)
http://anyfrontpage.com/ezine/va/frontpage-includes.htm
but read also
http://any-expression.com/expression-web/tutorials/insert-include-pages.htm

FrontPage and CSS (again helpful towards ew)
http://accessfp.net/frontpage-2003/tutorials/information-about-css.htm
http://accessfp.net/frontpage-2003/tutorials/creating-css.htm

When the site is ready I wipe the orginal OFF the server.... it's too
easy
to have files remain.... then I publish in full... remember to
recalculate
hyperlinks before publishing.
http://any-expression.com/expression-web/tips/recalculate-hyperlinks.htm

hth Tina


http://expression-web.net - Expression Blog
http://any-expression.com/ - Expression Web Help
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/any-expression/ - Ezine
 
G

Guest

Hi all

thanks to each and every one of yout that answered, Sorry my dumm A I did
not check msn for spam rules otherweise I would have seen the first answer.

All in all I have sorted it by throwing out the imported FP pages from the
site and building newone useing EW only, the CCS float and the CCS stlye
thing are the way to go. It has improved things 100%.

Once agains Thanks.

Regards
Astraa
 

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