Adding replies to bottom of message

[Jeff]

I use Outlook Express 6 for my email. I've been reprimanded in several
newslists because OE puts the Replies and Signature at the top of the reply
instead of the bottom as newslist protocol apparently requires. I therefore
installed OEfix and that has an option to correct this for standard replies,
but it does not seem to do it for newslist replies. Is there a way around
this problem for newslist replies other than giving up OE which "I've grown
accustomed to" <melody>?

 

[Alan Smith]

I use Outlook Express 6 for my email. I've been reprimanded in several
newslists because OE puts the Replies and Signature at the top of the reply
instead of the bottom as newslist protocol apparently requires.

Moving the insertion point (cursor) to the end is so hard?

The end of the message was the position used for replies for many years but
it's not a law. Probably more important is to follow the flow of
conversation in the posting, not jumping top to bottom to top to ..... so it
is understandable. If you want help from the people on the group then
respect their convention.


I therefore

installed OEfix and that has an option to correct this for standard
replies, but it does not seem to do it for newslist replies. Is there a
way around this problem for newslist replies other than giving up OE which
"I've grown accustomed to" <melody>?

Yes. It's not a big deal- Move the insertion point yourself (it's really not
too hard is it?), or change your program to one that performs that
(difficult?) task for you.

 

[Wesley Vogel]

I hate bottom posting.

But here you go.

With OE-QuoteFix...
Bottom posting is selected with 'Move sig to bottom' enabled and 'Position
cursor at top' disabled.

From OE-QuoteFix Documentation
%programfiles%\OE-QuoteFix\docs\index.html

[[Position cursor at top
Will move the cursor to the top of the message after it is processed by
OE-QuoteFix.

Move signature to bottom
If selected, will move your signature to the bottom of the message, i.e.
below the quoted message. Naturally, your signature must be configured to
get inserted automatically.

Note that these two settings determine the posting type, which in turn
affects the number of empty lines that OE-QuoteFix will insert/remove at
appropriate positions.

Disabling 'Move signature to bottom' implies top posting.

'Move sig to bottom' and 'Position cursor at top' equals interspersed
posting.

Bottom posting is selected with 'Move sig to bottom' enabled and 'Position
cursor at top' disabled. ]]

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

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[Ken Blake]

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I use Outlook Express 6 for my email. I've been reprimanded in
several newslists because OE puts the Replies and Signature at
the
top of the reply instead of the bottom as newslist protocol
apparently requires.

Actually, no, it doesn't. It puts the *cursor* at the top of the
reply. But you can still choose where *you* want the reply to be.

Moving the cursor is very easy. Outlook Express put the cursor at
the top of this reply, but I simply clicked to put the cursor
where *I* wanted the reply to be.

I believe the best way to reply is to reply after the text you
are replying to, and that's not necessarily the very bottom of
the message. So I don't use the option in OE-Quotefix (which is a
product I use) to move the cursor to the bottom; I want to decide
for myself where to put the cursor.

 

[Jeff]

Moving the insertion point (cursor) to the end is so hard?

Thanks for replying Alan.

Moving the insertion point did not at first solve the problem for me because
OE puts the
signature at the top. So I needed to also copy and paste the signature
every time to bring in down to the insertion point at the bottom when I
bottom posted rather than top posting.

The end of the message was the position used for replies for many
years but it's not a law. Probably more important is to follow the
flow of conversation in the posting, not jumping top to bottom to top
to ..... so it is understandable. If you want help from the people on
the group then respect their convention.

That is the problem. On some newslists they are "adamant" on bottom posting
and on others on top posting. Moving the cursor is easy, but copy and
pasting the signature was more of a nuisance and remembering which newslist
wants which is a real pain.

Yes. It's not a big deal- Move the insertion point yourself (it's
really not too hard is it?), or change your program to one that
performs that (difficult?) task for you.

Moving the cursor is easy. But moving the signature depending on whether I
am replying by top posting or bottom posting was my problem. I think I now
solved it.

 

[Jeff]

I hate bottom posting.

Thanks for replying Wesley.

Actually, I am not too crazy for it either and have top posted (or posted
within the text for years, but have been getting very angry messages about
top posting on some newslists and
therefore thought I should perhaps get with it. Can't win at this game. Some
guys get very constipated over this. <grin>

But it's my error. I had all the correct settings in OE-QuoteFix, but after
I
set it correctly, at first the changes only took place for regular replies,
not replies to newslist messages. So I assumed it only worked for regular
messages. But that was only initially and now it all works correctly. So I
was inpatient. Sorry.

Wish OE could automate top posting for "some" newslists and bottom posting
for others.

 

[Jeff]

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Actually, no, it doesn't. It puts the *cursor* at the top of the
reply. But you can still choose where *you* want the reply to be.

Moving the cursor is very easy. Outlook Express put the cursor at
the top of this reply, but I simply clicked to put the cursor
where *I* wanted the reply to be.

I believe the best way to reply is to reply after the text you
are replying to, and that's not necessarily the very bottom of
the message. So I don't use the option in OE-Quotefix (which is a
product I use) to move the cursor to the bottom; I want to decide
for myself where to put the cursor.

I agree that is the preferred way I like to reply too. It's just that when I
do that, I had to also copy and paste the signature from the top to the
bottom. But that is all fixed now.

 

[Jeff]

It turns out I was not crazy after all - just misinformed. It was a wrong
setting in OE6 that did not let OE-QuoteFix work correctly. I am therefore
writing again in case others ask a similar question or search for it.

OE-QuoteFix was just not working correctly for me. As I mentioned in my
original message, despite my settings in OE-QuoteFix on replying, sometimes
the signature was at the bottom as requested and sometime not. It was
driving me crazy because nothing I did seemed to provide a consistent
solution. The answers given here made me go back to OE-QuoteFix's website
to find out more. It turns out there are problems with XP-SP2:
"Some features do not work correctly with Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2).
How can I fix that?
In OE, uncheck "Block Images in HTML e-mail" under Tools - Options -
Security - Download Images. You may need to restart the PC (or at least OE)
afterwards. "


But that was still not my problem. My problem - as I discovered by reading
the excellent docs that came with the program and that I had forgotten I
had - was that though I had OE6 set to read and write messages in plain
text, I had some time ago (not sure why) selected the OE option of "Replying
to messages in the format in which they are sent". I was unaware that
OE-QuoteFix can not work unless the message is in plain text. The result was
the confusing situation I described, where OE-QuoteFix seemed to sometimes
work and other times not.

Now all is well. Thanks for the help guys. You led me to the solution. )

 

[NoStop]

From his spyware and virus infected Windoze box, Jeff had this to say:

It turns out I was not crazy after all - just misinformed. It was a wrong
setting in OE6 that did not let OE-QuoteFix work correctly. I am
therefore writing again in case others ask a similar question or search
for it.

OE-QuoteFix was just not working correctly for me. As I mentioned in my
original message, despite my settings in OE-QuoteFix on replying,
sometimes the signature was at the bottom as requested and sometime not.
It was driving me crazy because nothing I did seemed to provide a
consistent
solution. The answers given here made me go back to OE-QuoteFix's
website
to find out more. It turns out there are problems with XP-SP2:
"Some features do not work correctly with Windows XP Service Pack 2
(SP2).
How can I fix that?
In OE, uncheck "Block Images in HTML e-mail" under Tools - Options -
Security - Download Images. You may need to restart the PC (or at least
OE) afterwards. "


But that was still not my problem. My problem - as I discovered by
reading the excellent docs that came with the program and that I had
forgotten I had - was that though I had OE6 set to read and write messages
in plain text, I had some time ago (not sure why) selected the OE option
of "Replying to messages in the format in which they are sent". I was
unaware that OE-QuoteFix can not work unless the message is in plain text.
The result was the confusing situation I described, where OE-QuoteFix
seemed to sometimes work and other times not.

Now all is well. Thanks for the help guys. You led me to the solution.
)

And you've learned that posting to Usenet should be in plain text. That's
great!

 

[Ken Blake]

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I agree that is the preferred way I like to reply too. It's
just that
when I do that, I had to also copy and paste the signature from
the
top to the bottom. But that is all fixed now.

For that reason, I don't have Outlook Express put my signature in
automatically, but add it myself by clicking on "Insert
Signature."

 

[Jeff]

Nah, I always knew that. But I have other mail besides Usenet.

 

[Alan Smith]

It turns out I was not crazy after all - just misinformed. It was a wrong
setting in OE6 that did not let OE-QuoteFix work correctly. I am
therefore writing again in case others ask a similar question or search
for it.

OE-QuoteFix was just not working correctly for me. As I mentioned in my
original message, despite my settings in OE-QuoteFix on replying,
sometimes the signature was at the bottom as requested and sometime not.
It was driving me crazy because nothing I did seemed to provide a
consistent solution. The answers given here made me go back to
OE-QuoteFix's website to find out more. It turns out there are problems
with XP-SP2:
"Some features do not work correctly with Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2).
How can I fix that?
In OE, uncheck "Block Images in HTML e-mail" under Tools - Options -
Security - Download Images. You may need to restart the PC (or at least
OE) afterwards. "


But that was still not my problem. My problem - as I discovered by
reading the excellent docs that came with the program and that I had
forgotten I had - was that though I had OE6 set to read and write messages
in plain text, I had some time ago (not sure why) selected the OE option
of "Replying to messages in the format in which they are sent". I was
unaware that OE-QuoteFix can not work unless the message is in plain text.
The result was the confusing situation I described, where OE-QuoteFix
seemed to sometimes work and other times not.

Now all is well. Thanks for the help guys. You led me to the solution.
)

--

Jeff Stevens
Email address deliberately false to avoid spam
(e-mail address removed)

|Thanks for posting your resolution. Some seem happy to post questions but
don't let the solution be known to add to the knowledge available when using
the newsgroup archives.

 

[Jeff]

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For that reason, I don't have Outlook Express put my signature in
automatically, but add it myself by clicking on "Insert
Signature."

Actually I got my cake and ate it too. I have OE put the signature at
the bottom and the cursor at the top. This way, I work my way down the
quoted message entering my replies where I want to and leave the
signature at the bottom. If I have no reply till the bottom, the
signature is already there. Works for me.

I'll check into the manual insert signature thing. I never used it but
it sounds useful especially if it allows me to choose from different
signatures to match who I am writing to.

Thanks.

 

[Darrell S]

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Actually, no, it doesn't. It puts the *cursor* at the top of the
reply. But you can still choose where *you* want the reply to be.

Moving the cursor is very easy. Outlook Express put the cursor at
the top of this reply, but I simply clicked to put the cursor
where *I* wanted the reply to be.

I believe the best way to reply is to reply after the text you
are replying to, and that's not necessarily the very bottom of
the message. So I don't use the option in OE-Quotefix (which is a
product I use) to move the cursor to the bottom; I want to decide
for myself where to put the cursor.

Well, for years I've been top posting since that's the default for OE. But
I just now installed OE-Quotefix and "voila", I'm a bottom poster.

 

[Darrell S]

From his spyware and virus infected Windoze box, Jeff had this to say:

And you've learned that posting to Usenet should be in plain text.
That's great!

Terminology question. Are binary groups not part of the Usenet? I post
them in HTML.

 

[NoStop]

From his spyware and virus infected Windoze box, Darrell S had this to say:

Terminology question. Are binary groups not part of the Usenet?

Yes they are.

I post them in HTML.

No you don't.

 

[Ken Blake]

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In Ken Blake <[email protected]> typed:

Actually I got my cake and ate it too. I have OE put the
signature at
the bottom and the cursor at the top. This way, I work my way
down
the quoted message entering my replies where I want to and
leave the
signature at the bottom. If I have no reply till the bottom,
the
signature is already there. Works for me.

I'll check into the manual insert signature thing. I never
used it
but it sounds useful especially if it allows me to choose from
different signatures to match who I am writing to.

Yes, it does.

 

[Jeff]

In

Yes, it does.

You are terrific. I checked it out and now I can insert a variety of
signatures where and when I want. Been using OE for years and never knew
that. Than ks.

 

[Ken Blake]

In

In Ken Blake <[email protected]> typed:

You are terrific. I checked it out and now I can insert a
variety of
signatures where and when I want. Been using OE for years and
never
knew that. Than ks.

You're welcome, Jeff. Glad to help.

 

[Darrell S]

From his spyware and virus infected Windoze box, Darrell S had this
to say:

Yes they are.

No you don't.

If I don't my pictures don't get posted in alt.binaries.pictures.aviation.
I can still FTP pictures to that site but I have to be in rich text (html)
to post with pictures using OE. If I use plain text the post is never
posted. I show it in Sent Items folder with the attachment but it never
appears in the newsgroup. If, however I use HTML the post appears in the
newsgroup with the attachment.