Add Win98SE to Win2K-Win ME dual boot sys?

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Walter Donavan

How can I do that?

Which is the better OS (more stable, more supportive of legacy apps), WME or
W98SE?

Thanks for your help. I appreciate it.
 
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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]

Windows 98 SE, no doubt about it. ME was something truly awful.

However, a) you've posted this in a W2k group and b) I would go with either
W2k or WXP over any old DOS-based operating systems, presuming your hardware
would support it....
 
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Walter Donavan

Hi Lanwench,

OK. Win98 SE it is. How now do I remove Win ME and replace it with Win98 SE?
(Hopefully keeping my Win 2K installation intact.)

C: Win ME (drive 1, C partition)
D: (also drive 1, D partition): Win 2K
F: all documents (drive 2, F partition)

I have plenty of resources such as CPU, RAM, VRAM, HDD, etc.
 
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Dave Patrick

Boot the win98 CD-Rom, choose to format the first partition on drive 0 and
continue your install. After the install you can start the recovery console
and from a command prompt issue the command;
fixboot
to repair the bootsector.

To start the Recovery Console, start the computer from the Windows 2000
Setup CD or the Windows 2000 Setup floppy disks. If you do not have Setup
floppy disks and your computer cannot start from the Windows 2000 Setup CD,
use another Windows 2000-based computer to create the Setup floppy disks.
Press ENTER at the "Setup Notification" screen. Press R to repair a Windows
2000 installation, and then press C to use the Recovery Console. The
Recovery Console then prompts you for the administrator password. If you do
not have the correct password, Recovery Console does not allow access to the
computer. If an incorrect password is entered three times, the Recovery
Console quits and restarts the computer. Note If the registry is corrupted
or missing or no valid installations are found, the Recovery Console starts
in the root of the startup volume without requiring a password. You cannot
access any folders, but you can carry out commands such as chkdsk, fixboot,
and fixmbr for limited disk repairs. Once the password has been validated,
you have full access to the Recovery Console, but limited access to the hard
disk. You can only access the following folders on your computer:
%systemroot% and %windir%

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect


:
| Hi Lanwench,
|
| OK. Win98 SE it is. How now do I remove Win ME and replace it with Win98
SE?
| (Hopefully keeping my Win 2K installation intact.)
|
| C: Win ME (drive 1, C partition)
| D: (also drive 1, D partition): Win 2K
| F: all documents (drive 2, F partition)
|
| I have plenty of resources such as CPU, RAM, VRAM, HDD, etc.
|
|
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Walter Donavan

I'm sorry, Dave. I don't quite understand.

I can boot from my Win 2K CD and I also have the four startup diskettes. But
if I boot from the Win 2K CD, will my Win 2K installation still work? It
sounds like I will only have limited access to it???
 
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Dave Patrick

While I don't fully understand your reply either, yes Windows 2000 will
still function as it does now. To be on the safe side you can create a boot
floppy. For the floppy to successfully boot Windows 2000 the disk must
contain the "NT" boot sector. Format a diskette (on an NT machine, not a
DOS/Win9x, so the NT boot sector gets written to the floppy), then copy
ntldr, ntdetect.com, and boot.ini to it; and possibly ntbootdd.sys. Edit the
boot.ini to give it a correct ARC path for the machine you wish to boot. (in
your case just copy boot.ini from the root of the system partition)

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect


:
| I'm sorry, Dave. I don't quite understand.
|
| I can boot from my Win 2K CD and I also have the four startup diskettes.
But
| if I boot from the Win 2K CD, will my Win 2K installation still work? It
| sounds like I will only have limited access to it???
|
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Walter Donavan

Dave,

Thanks for your help. I believe I am getting close, in that I have two
working OS's, but see below.

I installed Windows 98 SE, no problems. I could also get to Windows 2000
through the NT boot diskette.

But I then couldn't fix the boot sector with fixboot, because I couldn't
install the recovery console.

I finally got the recovery console installed and ran it and entered

fixboot

And it went OK (no errors), but the computer wouldn't boot.

At the moment, my only OS is Win2K and my only way to it is through the NT
boot disk, which offers the option of Win 98 SE, but which blows up if I
choose it.

I have some error messages that I am too tired to post right now. I will
post them in the morning.

Thanks again.
 
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Walter Donavan

Good morning, Dave.

Here are the boot results and errors.

Method OS Choice Result
-------- --------------------- -----------------------------------
-------
NT Boot Win2K Success
Normal Win2K Success

NT Boot 98 SE "Error accessing boot sector file"
Normal 98 SE "Error accessing boot sector file"

NT Boot Recovery Console "Missing or corrupt ntoskrnl.exe file" *
Normal Recovery Console Success

NT Boot Default (Win 2K) "Missing or corrupt ntoskrnl.exe file" *
Normal Default (Win 2K) "Missing or corrupt ntoskrnl.exe file" *

* It was looking for the copy in <Win2K root>\System32\ntoskrnl.exe. I also
found two other copies in backup folders.

I double clicked on all three of them. This was an attempt to see if the
files were corrupt. They all gave the same error message: "Access to the
specified device, path, or file is denied." They were all the same size
(1,719,056). This tells me that they are all the same and that they all
work. I therefore conclude that ntoskrnl.exe is not defective or missing and
that there is some other error.

The contents of the boot.ini file are as follows.

[Boot Loader]
Timeout=16
Default=C:\$WIN_NT$.~BT\BOOTSECT.DAT
[Operating Systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WIN2000="Microsoft Windows 2000
Professional" /fastdetect
C:\="Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition (legacy programs)"
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Recovery Console" /cmdcons

I cannot get to Win98 SE, although it is there and it worked fine until I
did the fixboot. At this point, I do not know what to do next.

Thank you for any more help you or others can give me.

Walter Donavan
 
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Walter Donavan

Hi Dave.

A small follow-up.

Last night I also ran the fixmbr command from the recovery console. Despite
the dire warnings, it seemed appropriate to run it because the command also
said I appeared to have a nonstandard MBR. Since the boot process claimed
the boot sector was missing, I decided to go ahead and do it.

It had no effect. None. Zero.

Walter Donavan
 
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I'm Dan

Walter Donavan said:
Here are the boot results and errors.

Method OS Choice Result
-------- --------------------- ---------------------------------
NT Boot Win2K Success
Normal Win2K Success

NT Boot 98 SE "Error accessing boot sector
file"
Normal 98 SE "Error accessing boot sector
file"

NT Boot Recovery Console "Missing or corrupt ntoskrnl.exe file"
Normal Recovery Console Success

NT Boot Default (Win 2K) "Missing or corrupt ntoskrnl.exe file"
Normal Default (Win 2K) "Missing or corrupt ntoskrnl.exe file"

...(snipped)...

The contents of the boot.ini file are as follows.

[Boot Loader]
Timeout=16
Default=C:\$WIN_NT$.~BT\BOOTSECT.DAT
[Operating Systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WIN2000="Microsoft Windows 2000
Professional" /fastdetect
C:\="Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition (legacy programs)"
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Recovery Console" /cmdcons

I cannot get to Win98 SE, although it is there and it worked fine until I
did the fixboot. At this point, I do not know what to do next.


You're discovering why multibooting with the dopey NT-style bootloader is
ultimately more problematic than it would be if you had used a real
third-party boot manager in the first place.

You have three operating system choices listing in your boot.ini, but
"Default" doesn't match any of them. Try duplicating any one of them (just
the part before the '=' sign) for your Default item (for example,
"Default=C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT").

As for the 98 boot problem, it's probably due to a missing or corrupt
bootsect.dos file. See http://thpc.info/dual/bootsectdos.html for one
method of recreating it.
 
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Dave Patrick

It's probably because you installed the recovery console which overwrote
BOOTSECT.DOS. Change boot.ini back to read

[Boot Loader]
Timeout=16
Default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WIN2000
[Operating Systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WIN2000="Microsoft Windows 2000
Professional" /fastdetect
C:\="Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition (legacy programs)"
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Recovery Console" /cmdcons

Then boot a win98 startup disk and from the command line issue the command
sys C:
to restore the win98 boot sector.

Then after this start the recovery console and from a command prompt issue
the command;
fixboot
to repair the bootsector. (note don't try installing the recovery console as
this isn't/ wasn't necessary)

To start the Recovery Console, start the computer from the Windows 2000
Setup CD or the Windows 2000 Setup floppy disks. If you do not have Setup
floppy disks and your computer cannot start from the Windows 2000 Setup CD,
use another Windows 2000-based computer to create the Setup floppy disks.
Press ENTER at the "Setup Notification" screen. Press R to repair a Windows
2000 installation, and then press C to use the Recovery Console. The
Recovery Console then prompts you for the administrator password. If you do
not have the correct password, Recovery Console does not allow access to the
computer. If an incorrect password is entered three times, the Recovery
Console quits and restarts the computer. Note If the registry is corrupted
or missing or no valid installations are found, the Recovery Console starts
in the root of the startup volume without requiring a password. You cannot
access any folders, but you can carry out commands such as chkdsk, fixboot,
and fixmbr for limited disk repairs. Once the password has been validated,
you have full access to the Recovery Console, but limited access to the hard
disk. You can only access the following folders on your computer:
%systemroot% and %windir%

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect


:
| Good morning, Dave.
|
| Here are the boot results and errors.
|
| Method OS Choice Result
| -------- --------------------- -----------------------------------
| -------
| NT Boot Win2K Success
| Normal Win2K Success
|
| NT Boot 98 SE "Error accessing boot sector
file"
| Normal 98 SE "Error accessing boot sector
file"
|
| NT Boot Recovery Console "Missing or corrupt ntoskrnl.exe file" *
| Normal Recovery Console Success
|
| NT Boot Default (Win 2K) "Missing or corrupt ntoskrnl.exe file"
*
| Normal Default (Win 2K) "Missing or corrupt ntoskrnl.exe file"
*
|
| * It was looking for the copy in <Win2K root>\System32\ntoskrnl.exe. I
also
| found two other copies in backup folders.
|
| I double clicked on all three of them. This was an attempt to see if the
| files were corrupt. They all gave the same error message: "Access to the
| specified device, path, or file is denied." They were all the same size
| (1,719,056). This tells me that they are all the same and that they all
| work. I therefore conclude that ntoskrnl.exe is not defective or missing
and
| that there is some other error.
|
| The contents of the boot.ini file are as follows.
|
| [Boot Loader]
| Timeout=16
| Default=C:\$WIN_NT$.~BT\BOOTSECT.DAT
| [Operating Systems]
| multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WIN2000="Microsoft Windows 2000
| Professional" /fastdetect
| C:\="Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition (legacy programs)"
| C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Recovery Console" /cmdcons
|
| I cannot get to Win98 SE, although it is there and it worked fine until I
| did the fixboot. At this point, I do not know what to do next.
|
| Thank you for any more help you or others can give me.
|
| Walter Donavan
|
|
| ---
| Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
| Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
| Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 6/18/2004
|
|
 

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