active directory migration problem


A

aaron

Hi, I'm migrating all my AD info to a new forest domain. I'd like to keep
the same domain name in the forest but the ADMT tool won't let me migrate to
the same domain name. I assume this means I'll have to rename my domain
once I finish the migration process?

I create a new forest and new domain name and then run the admt tool again
to migrate user accounts from the source to target domain but receive the
error "the network path was not found error code = 52 domain = domain2"
which is the target domain name. I am able to select both domains in the
source and target fields. Source running in win2k native mode, target in
Windows 2003 mode.

Aaron
 
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Herb Martin

aaron said:
Hi, I'm migrating all my AD info to a new forest domain. I'd like to keep
the same domain name in the forest but the ADMT tool won't let me migrate to
the same domain name.
Of course not, since they must use the names to "find each other."

What you want is an UPGRADE in that case.
I assume this means I'll have to rename my domain
once I finish the migration process?
This is difficult even under Win2003, impossible under Win2000.
I create a new forest and new domain name and then run the admt tool again
to migrate user accounts from the source to target domain but receive the
error "the network path was not found error code = 52 domain = domain2"
which is the target domain name. I am able to select both domains in the
source and target fields. Source running in win2k native mode, target in
Windows 2003 mode.
Chances are you cannot resolve the NetBIOS or the DNS names.

External trusts are still (somewhat?) based on NetBIOS and Windows
domains now need DNS -- it sounds like one or both are not properly
configured.

You need ONE DNS hierarchy (name tree or name space) and you need
ONE WINS "database" (multiple server with a replicated database is
fine) if you have more than one subnet.

Why not upgrade?

It is DESIGNED to support upgrades if you wish to keep the same
name and same accounts.
 
A

aaron

Hi,

So even if the new domain name is in an entirely separate forest I still
can't migrate to it if it's called the same name as the old domain? If I
setup the new forest and new domain with it's own DNS server that doesn't
communicate with my other DNS server from the old domain will that allow me
to use the same domain name for the new domain?

When you speak of the upgrade, can we upgrade to windows 2003 and move out
of our existing forest & create a new forest w/out losing our AD info?

My goal here is to move all AD info to a new forest and somehow keep the
same name as the old domain. Since we're starting fresh we also want to go
to Windows 2003. Unfortunately because we have to move our entire domain to
a new forest, once we remove the last DC from the old domain, all our AD
info is lost. That's why we have to create a new forest/domain first to
transfer the data to.

In the line below should both the new domain and the old be pointing to the
same DNS servers? We use BIND which doesn't support dynamic updates so I
assume we have to put the records in manually for the new domain right, or
can we just point the new domain to the WINS servers of the old and that
will work?

I have not setup any trusts. In the instructions it seemed a trust was not
needed? In your experience should I setup a trust for the migration?
You need ONE DNS hierarchy (name tree or name space) and you need
ONE WINS "database" (multiple server with a replicated database is
fine) if you have more than one subnet.
 
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H

Herb Martin

aaron said:
Hi,

So even if the new domain name is in an entirely separate forest I still
can't migrate to it if it's called the same name as the old domain? If I
setup the new forest and new domain with it's own DNS server that doesn't
communicate with my other DNS server from the old domain will that allow me
to use the same domain name for the new domain?
No, that will fail because the "name" will always resolve
back to the domain that is searching (for the other domain.)

It's sort of the same effect when two machines have the same
IP -- at best they cannot communicate with each other.

Also note that trusts may involve NetBIOS resolution (re:
previous WINS discussions.)
When you speak of the upgrade, can we upgrade to windows 2003 and move out
of our existing forest & create a new forest w/out losing our AD info?
No, but you can upgrade the existing domains within the existing
forest and keep all of your info.

Is your goal REALLY to "leave the forest" or to just obtain
a "new forest?"

(There are almost no reasons for "new forest" unless you are
trying to EXIT an existing forest.)
My goal here is to move all AD info to a new forest and somehow keep the
same name as the old domain. Since we're starting fresh we also want to go
to Windows 2003.
Win2003 is neither going to help you or hurt
you.

You keep saying your goal is a "new forest" but
you don't mention your REAL goal?

What are you trying to accomplish by this new forest?
Unfortunately because we have to move our entire domain to
a new forest, once we remove the last DC from the old domain, all our AD
info is lost. That's why we have to create a new forest/domain first to
transfer the data to.
True. You can export (most of it) the information using the
LDAP tools etc (start with LDIFDE.exe) and then import
them at the destination (after creating the new domain/forest)
but these won't be teh 'same' objects, just new copies of them.
(Permissons will need massaging -- see SubInAcl.exe for that.)
In the line below should both the new domain and the old be pointing to the
same DNS servers?
Not if the names clash. You can't really get around that
in a way that seems reliable.
We use BIND which doesn't support dynamic updates so I
assume we have to put the records in manually for the new domain right, or
can we just point the new domain to the WINS servers of the old and that
will work?
It is impractical to use a NON-dynamic DNS server set to
support AD -- this may actually cause you more problems
than you immediate issue.

You need to enable BIND dynamic updates or switch to
MS.

By the way, if you have this BIND limitation due to your current
domain/zone hierarchy THIS would be a good time to RENAME
your domain so that you can run you own DNS separate from that
non-dynamic set.

Whoever or whatever is keeping you from the dynamic updates
is doing your company a DISSERVICE. Windows

AD has a practical REQUIREMENT for dynamic updates.
I have not setup any trusts. In the instructions it seemed a trust was not
needed? In your experience should I setup a trust for the migration?
Yes, a trust is needed at least (some say two way trust) from Source
Domain to Destination domain for tools like ADMT to work.
 

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