AC power bump, dead computer

[Fitz]

Last night had a power "bump"... AC out for less than 5 seconds, then
back on. This AM, daughter's computer dead. Power supply tester says
Antec Smart Power 500 is good (even the fans not connected to the
motherboard fired up when the tester was connected). No leaking or
bulging caps apparent. Is it possible just the case power switch is bad?
To test it, can I use a jumper to (or screwdriver) to jump across the
"pwr sw" pins? It's an ASUS A8N-E board, and the green LED on the board
does come on, but nothing happens when I press the PWR button on the case.

Thanks,

Fitz

 

[BigJim]

yes you can jump it just touch it with a piece of metal but first try
unpluging the power supply for a few minutes then plug it back in and see
what happens.

 

[Frank McCoy]

yes you can jump it just touch it with a piece of metal but first try
unpluging the power supply for a few minutes then plug it back in and see
what happens.

Or turn the switch off on the back for a minute.

 

[DaveW]

If you are SURE that the PSU is good, then it sounds like the motherboard
was fried by the surge. (That's why I ALWAYS use an expensive surge
protector to plug my system into. A relatively cheap cost to protect my
greater investment.)

 

[Fitz]

If you are SURE that the PSU is good, then it sounds like the motherboard
was fried by the surge. (That's why I ALWAYS use an expensive surge
protector to plug my system into. A relatively cheap cost to protect my
greater investment.)

It was on a surge protector, which is somewhat irratating. I've only
investigated the PS to the extent of plugging it in to an Antec PS
tester, which I understand may not be definitive. But it does indicate
that the PS is working, and as I originally posted, the computer fans
that are plugged directly into the PS turn on when the ATX cable is
connected to the tester and turned on.

Thanks,

Fitz

 

[John Doe]

It was on a surge protector, which is somewhat irratating. I've only
investigated the PS to the extent of plugging it in to an Antec PS
tester, which I understand may not be definitive. But it does
indicate that the PS is working, and as I originally posted, the
computer fans that are plugged directly into the PS turn on when the
ATX cable is connected to the tester and turned on.

After you get things worked out.
Consider a voltage regulator (line conditioner). Inexpensive and can
help a lot with power irregularities.

Good luck.

 

[w_tom]

It was on asurgeprotector, which is somewhat irratating. I've only
investigated the PS to the extent of plugging it in to an Antec PS
tester, which I understand may not be definitive. But it does indicate
that the PS is working, and as I originally posted, the computer fans
that are plugged directly into the PS turn on when the ATX cable is
connected to the tester and turned on.

Numerous assumptions were made that are widely believed and yet are
outright myths. As you noted, defective power supplies can be
reported OK by that power supply tester. To accurately test the power
supply, a tester must apply a load so great that the tester would be
too hot to hold - ie 300 watts. Clearly your power supply tester does
not do that. Defective supplies can appear to work just fine without
a sufficient load. Just another reason why the best power supply test
means leaving the supply connected to computer - not even one
connector change.

A definitive answer means never disconnecting anything; instead
using a 3.5 digit multimeter to get useful numbers in only two
minutes. Some complain they don't have a meter. Not relevant. They
have a screwdriver? A standard tool - the meter - is also sold in
same stores such as K-mart for little money. Why in K-mart? The so
inexpensive tool is for everyone; also sold in Wal-Mart, Lowes, Sears,
Radio Shack, your local hardware store, etc.

Is the suspect a power supply or some other components of the power
supply 'system'? A tester never reported on the power 'system'. Your
problem could be any 'system' component.

Surges can be succeeded by brownouts or dimming. You have assumed a
plug-in protector protects from surges that typically cause damage.
It does not and can even give a surge more destructive paths inside an
adjacent computer. Where do protector's numeric specs claim
protection? It does not. It does protect from a type of surge that
typically does not cause damage. It forgets to mention that an
adjacent protector does not protect from a type of surge that
typically does cause damage. Worse, protectors too close to
electronics and too far from earth ground may simply earth surges,
destructively, through a computer.

Do you know any electrical engineers who literally traced such
damage to a network of powered off computers? This one has. A surge
shunted into two adjacent computers by adjacent surge protectors then
earthed the surge, destructively, via a third powered off computer.
Yes, a protector without a short connection to earth may, instead,
earth surges destructively through an adjacent computer. Does your
protector claim to protect from that type of surge? If so, then it
says so in numbers.

Meanwhile, a surge is only one possible reason for your failure.

Above is how damage could have been created. Next is how to find
that damage before replacing anything - without shotgunning. A two
minute procedure either will identify suspects or confirm power
'system' as functional. Procedure will provide numbers so that
others with greater knowledge can provide additional assistance.
Without numbers, every reply can only be wild speculation.

Two minute procedure is in "When your computer dies without
warning....." starting 6 Feb 2007 in the newsgroup alt.windows-xp
at:
http://tinyurl.com/yvf9vh
Pictures (not associated text) to help understand that procedure:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5102-10586-5566528.html
http://www.helpwithpcs.com/courses/power-supply-basics-inc-pinouts.htm

Now you have numbers. Your replies will only be as good as numbers
you have provided. Information in those numbers may be apparent only
to those with better knowledge.

Most all failures leave no visible indication. Inspection other
than for most obvious problems is mostly useless. Even a power
supply that appears to work on a tester may be 100% defective. Post
those numbers from a multimeter to get definitive answers quickly -
and without shotgunning.

At least one who has already posted here has a history of 'attacking
this messenger' mostly due to technical ignorance and a love of
shotgunning. That poster even asks questions that a first year
engineer should know. Technical knowledge so thin that he
automatically knows he knows. The less some people know, then the
more they insist they know. Ignore those posts that are especially
devoid of numbers and technical grasp to find and eliminate this
problem quickly AND want to learn from the experience.

 

[w_tom]

After you get things worked out.
Consider a voltage regulator (line conditioner). Inexpensive and can
help a lot withpowerirregularities.

Eliminating power irregularities is the job of a power supply. If
power supply is missing voltage regulator functions, then power supply
was defective when purchased. Solution: replace the defective supply.

Whereas line conditioning was even standard in 1950s TV and required
in 1970 computer industry standards, then why in 2000+ would a line
conditioner be required?

A power supply contains layer after layer of line conditioning.
Some examples. First power passes through a line filter. Then AC is
converted to 300 volts DC. Then another filter. Then filtered 300
VDC is converted to AC at tens or hundreds of kilohertz. Then
filtered again and converted to low voltage by a transformer. Then it
is filtered again. All this must be in every computer power supply.
All this should be well known to those who make recommendations.

But somehow a power supply needs a line conditioner? Somehow a line
conditioner not as effective as the transformer inside the power
supply will somehow accomplish what the power supply could not?

How much must a line conditioner cost just to supplement what is
already inside that power supply? Hundreds of dollars. Anything less
does nothing.

Why do some recommend line conditioners? Because they saved $10 or
$20 on a power supply that was missing essential functions. Or because
they heard line conditiong is necessary and did not first learn
technology using an oscilloscope. That line conditioner
recommendation is bogus; often found where basic electrical knowledge
is missing. Many who recommend do not even know of the many power
supply functions. One function of computer power supplies as even
demanded over a decade ago by Intel standard: output power is
massively conditioned.

A line conditioner is recommended because it is a 'magic box'. If a
recommendataion was based in technical fact, then the recommendation
would provide numbers that explain why a line conditioner is
necessary. Just another reason why a line conditioner recommendation
is bogus.

 

[John Doe]

<snipped w_tom's strange rant against voltage regulators>

w_tom used to search the archives for "power supply" and "surge
suppressor" just so he could jump in whichever group and spew a bunch
of weirdness against surge suppressors. Maybe the problem occurs when
he doesn't understand something, but he isn't humble enough to ask
about it. He should visit the electronics design group and ask them
for an explanation why a voltage regulator might be useful to a
personal computer. Some of my best reading is their intelligent
replies to w_tom's strange arguments.

Seems w_tom stopped doing the anti surge suppressor crusade after
someone explained that a surge suppressor doesn't have to shunt spikes
to ground, it just acts as a clamp that equals out the voltage at both
ends of the circuit. Apparently that was the information he was
trolling for.

 

[bud--]

Surges can be succeeded by brownouts or dimming. You have assumed a
plug-in protector protects from surges that typically cause damage.
It does not and can even give a surge more destructive paths inside an
adjacent computer.

The best information on surges and surge protection I have seen is at:
http://omegaps.com/Lightning Guide_FINALpublishedversion_May051.pdf
- "How to protect your house and its contents from lightning: IEEE guide
for surge protection of equipment connected to AC power and
communication circuits" published by the IEEE in 2005 (the IEEE is the
dominant organization of electrical and electronic engineers in the US).
And also:
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/practiceguides/surgesfnl.pdf
- "NIST recommended practice guide: Surges Happen!: how to protect the
appliances in your home" published by the US National Institute of
Standards and Technology in 2001

The IEEE guide is aimed at those with some technical background. The
NIST guide is aimed at the unwashed masses.

Both the IEEE and NIST guides say plug-in suppressors are effective.
Ratings range from junk to very high.

Where do protector's numeric specs claim
protection? It does not. It does protect from a type of surge that
typically does not cause damage.

Complete nonsense. Plug-in suppressors have MOVs from H-N, H-G, N-G.
That is all combinations of power wires and all surge modes. They also
have voltage clamps on signal wires going through the suppressor.

Note that all interconnected equipment needs to be connected to the same
plug-in suppressor, or interconnecting wires need to go through the
suppressor. External connections, like phone, also need to go through
the suppressor. Connecting all wiring through the suppressor prevents
damaging voltages between power and signal wires. These multiport
suppressors are described in both guides.

According to NIST guide, US insurance information indicates equipment
most frequently damaged by lightning is
computers with a modem connection
TVs, VCRs and similar equipment (presumably with cable TV
connections).
All can be damaged by high voltages between power and signal wires.

Ignore those posts that are especially
devoid of numbers and technical grasp

For a reliable technical grasp read the IEEE and/or NIST guides.

 

[John Doe]

....

Surges can be succeeded by brownouts or dimming. You have assumed
a plug-in protector protects from surges that typically cause damage.
It does not and can even give a surge more destructive paths inside
an adjacent computer.

Well, I thought w_tom got a clue, but apparently not.

Maybe he was connected to a surge suppressor as a baby,
and it didn't work.

 

[bushwhacker]

It was on a surge protector, which is somewhat irratating. I've only
investigated the PS to the extent of plugging it in to an Antec PS tester,
which I understand may not be definitive. But it does indicate that the PS
is working, and as I originally posted, the computer fans that are plugged
directly into the PS turn on when the ATX cable is connected to the tester
and turned on.

Thanks,

Fitz

The fans running only indicate your 12volt rail is functioning.
More than likely the 5 volt or 3 volt rails are dead.

 

[bushwhacker]

The fans running only indicate your 12volt rail is functioning.
More than likely the 5 volt or 3 volt rails are dead.

Also, a surge protector will not help with a low voltage condition, which is
what really kills most PSU units.

 

[mmarkoe]

John Doe, really Mark Bender, the best example of a loser you can

Maybe he was connected to a surge suppressor as a baby, and it didn't work.

Anyone who is interested, Mark Bender has been arrested
more than once for domestic violence and sued into poverty. He SPAMS
other user groups. See:
http://groups.google.com/group/free.spam/browse_thread/thread/37124e5...


Following is the Investigative Report on Mark Bender (aka John Doe) I
initiated due to his harassment and Internet Cop wannabe.


Martin Markoe, real person with a real life


29-10947 Mark
O. Bender
7/25/2007
Dossier


REQUEST OF CLIENT


On July 24, 2007, Martin Markoe with eMicrophones, Inc. contacted
Kelmar & Associates, with the request for a full background/dossier
on
Mr. Mark O. Bender.


SUMMARY OF INVESTIGATION


Our office found Mr. Mark Bender's current address is 509 Frost, SATX
78201, to be owned by Ms. Gloria Trevino. There are many rental homes
in this area. Mr. Bender has never owned property. He does not own a
vehicle. He doesn't have a TX Driver's license. He does have a TX
State ID. He has been arrested twice for Assault/Family/Domestic
Violence. Both charges were dismissed. There is a possibility that
the
"Mark Bender" named in the Bexar County Civil case for damages could
be the same Mark Orrin Bender with in this report. The court
documents
would to be ordered at any additional cost to the client.


Custom Comprehensive Report
Date: 07/24/07


Report processed by:
XXXXXX
XXXXXX
San Antonio, TX 78230


Report Legend:
- Shared Address
- Deceased
- Probable Current Address


Subject Information:
Name: MARK ORRIN BENDER DOB:01/22/1957
SSN: 507-82-xxxx issued in Nebraska between 01/01/1972 and
12/31/1973
Age: 50


Others Associated With Subjects SSN:
(DOES NOT usually indicate any type of fraud or deception)
[None Found]


Comprehensive Report Summary: (Click on Link to see detail)
Names Associated With Subject:
None Found
Others Associated With Subjects SSN:
None Found
Bankruptcies:
None Found
Liens and Judgments:
None Found
UCC Filings:
None Found
People at Work:
None Found
Driver's License:
None Found
Address(es) Found:
1 Verified and 5 Non-Verified Found
Possible Properties Owned:
None Found
Motor Vehicles Registered:
None Found
Watercraft:
None Found
FAA Certifications:
None Found
FAA Aircrafts:
None Found
Possible Criminal Records:
1 Found
Sexual Offenses:
None Found
Professional Licenses:
None Found
Voter Registration:
1 Found
Hunting/Fishing Permit:
None Found
Concealed Weapons Permit:
None Found
Possible Associates:
None Found
Possible Relatives:
1st Degree - None Found
2nd Degree - None Found
3rd Degree - None Found
Neighbors:
1st Neighborhood - 3 Found
2nd Neighborhood - None Found
3rd Neighborhood - 2 Found


Bankruptcies:
[None Found]


Liens and Judgments:
[None Found]


UCC Filings:
[None Found]


People at Work:
[None Found]


Driver's License/State ID Information:


Texas ID Detail:


Name
BENDER,MARK ORRIN License number
20826255 Address
5320 BLANCO #1803 DOB
Jan 22 1957
Class
I City/Zip
SAN ANTONIO 78216 Last transaction date
Apr 9 2003 Last transaction
Original, not permit or MRDL


Above information as provided by state - Our annotations are below
Address (click to find others)
5320 Blanco Rd Apt 1803
City/State/Zip (click to find others)
San Antonio , TX 78216-7052


Address Summary:
509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY (Nov 2005
-
May 2007)
4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201, BEXAR COUNTY (Dec 2002 -
Oct 2003)
4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1912,
BEXAR COUNTY (Jan 1991 - Jan 1999)
5347 BLANCO RD APT B8, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7027, BEXAR COUNTY
(Apr 1986 - Dec 1992)
4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B316, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1914,
BEXAR COUNTY
7458 LOUIS PASTEUR DR APT 701, SAN ANTONIO TX 78229-4517,
BEXAR
COUNTY


Active Address(es):
MARK O BENDER - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR
COUNTY (Nov 2005 - May 2007)
Current phones listed at this address:
BENDER MARK (210) 734-3107
TREVINO MICHELLE (210) 736-5743
Property Ownership Information for this Address
Property:
Parcel Number - 08441-026-0240
Lot Number - 24
Owner Name 1 - TREVINO GLORIA C
Address - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX
78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY
Owner's Address - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO
TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY
Land Usage - SFR
Total Value - $79,610
Land Value - $13,230
Improvement Value - $66,380
Land Size - 9,000
Year Built - 1926
Homestead Exemption - YES
Exterior Walls - STUCCO
Roof Type - ASPHALT SHINGLE
Air Conditioning - AC.CENTRAL
Heating - FORCED AIR
Sale Price - $0
Legal Description - NCB 8441 BLK 26 LOT
24 & 25 & 26
Data Source - A
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 37
Median Household Income: $38,438
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $47,100
Average Years of Education: 10


Previous And Non-Verified Address(es):
MARK ORRIN BENDER - 4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201,
BEXAR COUNTY (Dec 2002 - Oct 2003)
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 30
Median Household Income: $32,417
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $50,100
Average Years of Education: 12


MARK O BENDER - 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO
TX 78201-1912, BEXAR COUNTY (Jan 1991 - Jan 1999)
SANTA FE PLACE (210) 735-8767
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 32
Median Household Income: $18,304
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $91,300
Average Years of Education: 12


MARK O BENDER - 5347 BLANCO RD APT B8, SAN ANTONIO TX
78216-7027, BEXAR COUNTY (Apr 1986 - Dec 1992)
NIMITZ APARTMENTS (210) 341-5285
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 29
Median Household Income: $23,611
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $65,500
Average Years of Education: 12


MARK O BENDER - 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B316, SAN ANTONIO
TX 78201-1914, BEXAR COUNTY
SANTA FE PLACE (210) 735-8767
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 32
Median Household Income: $18,304
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $91,300
Average Years of Education: 12


MARK O BENDER - 7458 LOUIS PASTEUR DR APT 701, SAN ANTONIO TX
78229-4517, BEXAR COUNTY
SAN ANTONIO STATION (210) 614-3679
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 41
Median Household Income: $31,783
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $111,800
Average Years of Education: 14


Possible Properties Owned by Subject:
[None Found]


Motor Vehicles Registered To Subject:
[None Found]


Possible Criminal Records:
Texas Arrest Report:
Name: MARK BEDNER
SSN: 507-82-xxxx
Address: 5200 BLANCO RD 407, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7074
State of Origin: Texas
County of Origin: Bexar
Party Status: REL'D ON P-R BOND
DOB: 01/22/1957
Race: White
Sex: Male
Eyes: BLUE
Height: 5' 06"
Weight: 160


Arrests:
Arrest #1
Case Type:
Arrest Date: 01/25/1987
Arresting Agency:
Arrest Type:
Arrest Disposition Date: 01/25/1987
Court Fine: Offense: ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY
Arrest Statute:
Agency Case #: 366381
Arrest Level/Degree: Class A Misdemeanor
Arrest Disposition: BOOKED


CASE NUMBER 366381 displayed
successfully
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07/24/2007
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10:46:19


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Court Case Number Defendant Name
Date of
CR7 366381 BEDNER,
MARK Birth


01/22/1957
Offense Description Level Sex:
MALE
02/21/1986 ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY MA Race:
WHITE
Location :
CLOSED
Last Setting: Grand Jury: 05/13/1986
FILED
Case Status: 06/29/1987 *** JN CLOSED
***
Disposition : 06/29/1987 DSMD-INTRST
JUSTCE


Judgement :
Bond: CLS 06/29/1987
1500.00
Start: End: By: BAIL BONDS,
PERSONAL


Defense Attorneys Bar Number Yrs Mo Dy
Hrs
MIKE HERVEY 9546500
Term:


Fine:
Court
Cost:


CASE NUMBER 348742 displayed
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Court Case Number Defendant Name
Date of
CR7 348742 BEDNER, MARK
Birth


01/22/1957
Offense Description Level Sex:
MALE
08/05/1985 ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY MA Race:
WHITE
Location :
CLOSED
Last Setting: 09/23/1985 TRIAL Grand Jury: 08/12/1985
FILED
Case Status: 08/12/1988 *** JN CLOSED
***
Disposition : 09/23/1985 DSMD-
OTHER


Judgement :
Bond: CLS 09/23/1985
800.00
Start: End: By: BAIL BONDS, PERSONAL
PROGRAM


Defense Attorneys Bar Number Yrs Mo Dy
Hrs
MERCEDES JEAN KUTCH 11770545 Term:


Fine:
Court
Cost:


Bexar Possible Civil:


Cause Nbr 1986CI10562 displayed
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N)


Date Filed: 06/12/1986 Court: 166_ Unpaid Balance:
0.00
Type of Docket: PID__ PERSONAL INJURY &
DAMAGES


* * * S T Y L E * *
*
MAX WHITMAN & HARRIET
WHITMAN_____________________
VS MARK BENDER
&_____________________________________


DISCOVERY LEVEL:
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Account Type: __ Account Number:
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Access: _ PUBLIC Status: D
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List Type: C
CIVIL


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&
Court: 166 Docket Type: PERSONAL INJURY & DAMAGES
Status:
DISPOSED
Actions: (A,D,M,P) Unpaid Balance: 0.00 Account
Number:
Seq Last /First /Middle Name Lit. Type/Attorney
Date
_ 00001 WHITMAN MAX PLAINTIFF
06/12/1986
DROZD, LINDA M
210 498-0663
_ 00002 WHITMAN HARRIET PLAINTIFF
06/12/1986
DROZD, LINDA M
210 498-0663
_ 00003 BENDER MARK DEFENDANT
06/12/1986
EZZELL, JAMES MICHAE
210 731-6300
_ 00004 DR PEPPER BOTTLING COMPANY DEFENDANT
06/12/1986
EZZELL, JAMES MICHAE
210 731-6300


TX Criminal:


SUBJECT INFORMATION


Name: mark bender Social Security #: -- Birth Date:
01/22/1957


Alias Last: Alias First: Race/Gender: /


Criminal Record (mark bender) TX - * Statewide PLUS *
Status: Completed (CLEAR)
# Years Searched: 7 Date Completed: 7/25/2007 9:59:56 AM
Reporting Period: 07/25/2000 - 07/25/2007
Additional Info: *** Instant search results ***
No record found


Sexual Offenses:
[None Found]


Professional License(s):
[None Found]


Voter Registration:
Name: MARK BENDER
Address: 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO TX
78201-1912
DOB: 01/22/1957
Gender: Male
Registration Date: 12/08/1984
State of Registration: Texas
Status: Active


Hunting/Fishing Permit:
[None Found]


Concealed Weapons Permit:
[None Found]


Possible Associates:
[None Found]


Possible Relatives:
[None Found]


Neighbors:
Neighborhood:
509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY (Oct
1991)
Residents:
MARK O BENDER Age:
507-82-xxxx issued in Nebraska
between 01/01/1972 and 12/31/1973
ANDREA TREVINO Age:
463-76-xxxx issued in Texas
between 01/01/1963 and 12/31/1963
GLORIA C TREVINO DOB: 05/19/1947 Age: 60
463-76-xxxx issued in Texas
between 01/01/1963 and 12/31/1963
MICHELE TREVINO Age:
457-71-xxxx issued in Texas
between 01/01/1985 and 12/31/1985
MICHELLE TREVINO Age:
457-71-xxxx issued in Texas
between 01/01/1985 and 12/31/1985
VICENTE L TREVINO Age:
463-62-xxxx issued in Texas
between 01/01/1956 and 12/31/1957
Current phones listed at this address:
TREVINO MICHELLE (210) 736-5743
BENDER MARK (210) 734-3107


Address(es):
508 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3346, BEXAR
COUNTY
LUZMCARMEN CAMPOS Age:
CAMPOS LUZMCARMEN (210) 736-6798


510 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3346, BEXAR
COUNTY (Nov 2005 - May 2007)
MONICA ANGUINAGA Age:
ANGUINAGA MONICA (210) 731-8828


507 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR
COUNTY (Jun 2002 - Jun 2007)
Residents:
ELIZABETH DALIA ROMAN DOB:
03/14/1973 Age: 34
453-73-xxxx issued in Texas
between 01/01/1985 and 12/31/1986
ENRIQUE VAZQUEZ ROMAN DOB:
10/18/1956 Age: 50
450-57-xxxx issued in Texas
between 01/01/1982 and 12/31/1982
JESSE ENRIQUE ROMAN DOB:
11/13/1976 Age: 30
466-71-xxxx issued in Texas
between 01/01/1985 and 12/31/1985
TERESA G ROMAN Age:
459-36-xxxx issued in Texas
between 01/01/1936 and 12/31/1951


Neighborhood:
4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201, BEXAR COUNTY (Dec
2002 - Oct 2003)


Neighborhood:
4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT E203, BALCONES HTS TX
78201-1925, BEXAR COUNTY
SANTA FE PLACE (210) 735-8767


Address(es):
4205 FREDERICKSBURG RD, BALCONES HTS TX
78201-1902, BEXAR COUNTY
TACO CABANA (210) 733-3911


4220 FREDERICKSBURG RD, BALCONES HTS TX
78201-1901, BEXAR COUNTY
WORLD CAR MAZDA ISUZU SUZUKI (210)
735-6000


Bexar County Appraisal District- Property Rolls


Account
Property ID: 415948 Legal Description: NCB 8441 BLK 26 LOT 24
& 25 &
26
Geographic ID: 08441-026-0240 Agent Code:
Type: Real
Location
Address: 509 FROST Mapsco: 581F5
Neighborhood: LOS ANGELES HEIGHTS (SA) Map ID:
Neighborhood CD: 57017
Owner
Name: TREVINO GLORIA C Owner ID: 316021
Mailing Address: 509 FROST
SAN ANTONIO, TX 78201-3347 % Ownership: 100.0000000000%
Exemptions:
HS
Values
(+) Improvement Homesite Value: + $78,340
(+) Improvement Non-Homesite Value: + $0
(+) Land Homesite Value: + $13,230
(+) Land Non-Homesite Value: + $0 Ag / Timber Use
Value
(+) Agricultural Market Valuation: + $0 $0
(+) Timber Market Valuation: + $0 $0
--------------------------
(=) Market Value: = $91,570
(-) Ag or Timber Use Value Reduction: - $0
--------------------------
(=) Appraised Value: = $91,570
(-) HS Cap: - $6,507
--------------------------
(=) Assessed Value: = $85,063
Taxing Jurisdiction
Owner: TREVINO GLORIA C
% Ownership: 100.0000000000%
Total Value: $91,570
Entity Description Tax Rate Appraised Value Taxable
Value Estimated
Tax
06 BEXAR CO RD & FLOOD 0.012719 $91,570 $82,063 $10.44
08 SA RIVER AUTH 0.016045 $91,570 $80,063 $12.85
09 ALAMO COM COLLEGE 0.137050 $91,570 $85,063
$116.58
10 UNIV HEALTH SYSTEM 0.243869 $91,570 $85,063
$207.44
11 BEXAR COUNTY 0.314147 $91,570 $85,063 $267.22
21 CITY OF SAN ANTONIO 0.578540 $91,570 $85,063
$492.12
57 SAN ANTONIO ISD 1.249700 $91,570 $70,063 $875.58
CAD BEXAR APPRAISAL DISTRICT 0.000000 $91,570
$85,063 $0.00
Total Tax Rate: 2.552070
Taxes w/Current Exemptions:
$1,982.23
Taxes w/o Exemptions: $2,170.87
Improvement / Building
Improvement #1: Residential State Code: A1 Living
Area: 1193.0 sqft
Value: $61,750
Type Description Class CD
Exterior Wall Year Built SQFT
LA Living Area F SS 1926 1112.0
OP Attached Open Porch F 1926 24.0
OP Attached Open Porch F 1926 70.0
LA Living Area F 1926 81.0
Improvement #2: Residential State Code: A1 Living
Area: sqft Value:
$6,890
Type Description Class CD
Exterior Wall Year Built SQFT
DLA2 Detached Living Area 2 F 288.0
Improvement #3: Residential State Code: A1 Living
Area: sqft Value:
$6,890
Type Description Class CD
Exterior Wall Year Built SQFT
DLA1 Detached Living Area 1 F 288.0
Improvement #4: Residential State Code: A1 Living
Area: sqft Value:
$2,810
Type Description Class CD
Exterior Wall Year Built SQFT
CPT Detached Carport F 420.0
Land
# Type Description Acres Sqft Eff Front Eff
Depth Market Value Prod.
Value
1 RES R/1 Family not Farm Single 0.2066 9000.00
75.00 120.00 $13,230
$0
Roll Value History
Year Improvements Land Market Ag Valuation
Appraised HS Cap Assessed
2007 $78,340 $13,230 0 91,570 $6,507 $85,063
2006 $66,380 $13,230 0 79,610 $2,280 $77,330
2005 $57,100 $13,200 0 70,300 $0 $70,300
2004 $57,100 $13,200 0 70,300 $0 $70,300
2003 $59,200 $13,400 0 72,600 $0 $72,600
2002 $58,800 $9,000 0 67,800 $0 $67,800
Deed History - (Last 3 Deed Transactions)
# Deed Date Type Description Grantor Grantee
Volume Page
1 9/21/1998 12:00:00 AM Deed Deed TREVINO,
GLORIA C 7747 0937

 

[w_tom]

The fans running only indicate your 12volt rail is functioning.
More than likely the 5 volt or 3 volt rails are dead

Or fan is powered from -12 volts. This done for some design
reasons.

Enough voltage can exist to spin a fan and still power supply
voltages are 100% defective. That spinning fan does not even imply a
good 12 volts - for at least two reasons posted here.

If low AC mains voltage causes any electronics damage, then the
electronics were defective when purchased. Industry standards were
quite blunt even 30 years ago. The charts even stated "No Damage
Region" in an area between 108 and 0 volts. Low voltage does not harm
electronics. That is but another function of the power supply.

However when so many computer assemblers do not even have electrical
knowledge, then dumping power supplies into a market of technical
naive Americans is so profitable. Ask why so many Silicon Valley
engineers are now ICs - Indians and Chinese. We have too many
computer experts who know computers - and yet don't even know about
functions that were industry standard 30 years ago.

Buy a power supply that sells at only 60% standard price. It will
be missing essential functions so that the cheaper power supply also
has a higher profit margin. If electronics are harmed by low voltage,
then the human should look at himself as the reason for that failure.

Posted is how that power supply becomes a suspect or is exonerate in
only two minutes AND how Fitz can obtain more useful replies from
those who actually have technical knowledge. That means numbers from
a 3.5 digit multimeter.

Even those two reasons why a fan says nothing useful about the 12
volts should be standard knowledge among computer hardware literates.
Another concept quickly learned from experience when using the meter.

 

[bushwhacker]

Or fan is powered from -12 volts. This done for some design
reasons.

Enough voltage can exist to spin a fan and still power supply
voltages are 100% defective. That spinning fan does not even imply a
good 12 volts - for at least two reasons posted here.

If low AC mains voltage causes any electronics damage, then the
electronics were defective when purchased. Industry standards were
quite blunt even 30 years ago. The charts even stated "No Damage
Region" in an area between 108 and 0 volts. Low voltage does not harm
electronics. That is but another function of the power supply.

However when so many computer assemblers do not even have electrical
knowledge, then dumping power supplies into a market of technical
naive Americans is so profitable. Ask why so many Silicon Valley
engineers are now ICs - Indians and Chinese. We have too many
computer experts who know computers - and yet don't even know about
functions that were industry standard 30 years ago.

Buy a power supply that sells at only 60% standard price. It will
be missing essential functions so that the cheaper power supply also
has a higher profit margin. If electronics are harmed by low voltage,
then the human should look at himself as the reason for that failure.

Posted is how that power supply becomes a suspect or is exonerate in
only two minutes AND how Fitz can obtain more useful replies from
those who actually have technical knowledge. That means numbers from
a 3.5 digit multimeter.

Even those two reasons why a fan says nothing useful about the 12
volts should be standard knowledge among computer hardware literates.
Another concept quickly learned from experience when using the meter.

No shit dipstick. I was just pointing out the fact that a spinning fan
doesn't make it a good power supply. And Indians and Chinese only even got
into the game because they work cheap and make much more money for
Americans, not because they are any smarter by a long shot.

 

[nemo]

John Doe, really Mark Bender, the best example of a loser you can


Anyone who is interested, Mark Bender has been arrested
more than once for domestic violence and sued into poverty. He SPAMS
other user groups. See:
http://groups.google.com/group/free.spam/browse_thread/thread/37124e5...

<<<Insane lists of pointless info on someone no one cares about
snipped>>>

WTF???

 

[nemo]

<snipped w_tom's strange rant against voltage regulators>

w_tom used to search the archives for "power supply" and "surge
suppressor" just so he could jump in whichever group and spew a bunch
of weirdness against surge suppressors. Maybe the problem occurs when
he doesn't understand something, but he isn't humble enough to ask
about it. He should visit the electronics design group and ask them
for an explanation why a voltage regulator might be useful to a
personal computer. Some of my best reading is their intelligent
replies to w_tom's strange arguments.

Seems w_tom stopped doing the anti surge suppressor crusade after
someone explained that a surge suppressor doesn't have to shunt spikes
to ground, it just acts as a clamp that equals out the voltage at both
ends of the circuit. Apparently that was the information he was
trolling for.

Actually, he has a point. A surge suppressor is a useful thing to
have externally, but a "line conditioner" is not something that should
be required by any good power supply, just as he says. A surge
suppressor works by shunting the momentary, high voltage across the AC
line (or to ground as required) without letting it reach the equipment
being protected. In the process the suppressor can be damaged and no
function for any further surges. So in essence, it is like a
disposable fuse and should not be incorporated into a PSU or other
expensive equipment. In theory it should also have a way to indicate
it has done its job and needs to be replaced, but that does not
normally come as part of the $10 outlet strip suppressors.

As w_tom says, a line conditioner is doing the same function as a PSU,
so why would it be needed? A typical PSU is rated to work with inputs
from around 90 volts up to 250 or so. Voltages below 90 only happen
when something is wrong with the power such as a brown out. Voltages
above 250 are also abnormal and this is what a surge protector is
supposed to be protecting against.

So I don't get it, what did he say that was wrong?

 

[John Doe]

... a "line conditioner" is not something that should be required by
any good power supply

Says who?

I shouldn't have intermixed the terms "voltage regulator" and "line
conditioner".

A surge suppressor works by shunting the momentary, high voltage
across the AC line (or to ground as required) without letting it
reach the equipment being protected.

Since you still don't get it, maybe you should try asking instead of
providing your own incorrect explanation.

So in essence, it is like a disposable fuse

It isn't like a fuse. Again, I explained the basics, try rereading
that. If you understand basic electricity, it should be clear enough.

So I don't get it,

So you need to ask in an appropriate group and maybe they will explain
it in detail to you.

what did he say that was wrong?

Read the reply by bud and do an author history on w_tom in
sci.electronics.design or the other electronics groups.

 

[John free.usenet]

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WTF???