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cindykapitan
A good backup program for win98SE needed. It should be able to backup
to an external CD writer from HP. Please help by reccommending one.
to an external CD writer from HP. Please help by reccommending one.
cindykapitan said:A good backup program for win98SE needed. It should be able to backup
to an external CD writer from HP. Please help by reccommending one.
PCR said:You should investigate why it takes 2/3 boots to boot once, after an
XXCopy. Can it be you copy the swap file (Win386.swp) with it? I have
read that should not be copied. It will generate anew when you boot to
Windows.
Well, you must investigate. Let me see whether I have a site...
http://www.xxcopy.com/
What about the XXCopy site, itself? Surely there are FAQs there?
I also know XXCopy suffers of Short File Name mishaps. That is,
if there are two or more names such as "Progra~1" & "Progra~2",
there is a possibility they are switched in the copy. They will get
the correct LFN, but "can" get switched in the SFN. This would
only matter if something referred to the SFN.
However, I can't see how three re-boots could fix such a thing.
But never copy your Swap File that
way. That might have done it, I think.
PCR said:| PCR <[email protected]> wrote
| > Well, you must investigate. Let me see whether I have a site...
| > http://www.xxcopy.com/
| > What about the XXCopy site, itself? Surely there are FAQs there?
| > I also know XXCopy suffers of Short File Name mishaps. That is,
| > if there are two or more names such as "Progra~1" & "Progra~2",
| > there is a possibility they are switched in the copy. They will get
| > the correct LFN, but "can" get switched in the SFN. This would
| > only matter if something referred to the SFN.
| You've mangled that utterly. Its the standard xcopy that has that
| particularly problem and xxcopy that ensures that doesnt happen.
No. I did not.
Gosh, I can't recall his name, but the author
of XXCopy said it is a Windows problem.
Harper even posted that Explorer itself suffers of it, not just DOS.
It is as I said.
LFNs will still be assigned to the proper file, but SFNs can switch.
Sorry, I have no quick way to find the URL Harper posted about it.
But, create say nine files in one folder that will get names "Progra~1"
through "Progra~9". Then try the copy in DOS & in Explorer.
| > However, I can't see how three re-boots could fix such a thing.
| It cant, and there is nothing to be 'fixed' in that area anyway.
| > But never copy your Swap File that
| > way. That might have done it, I think.
| Unlikely that 3 reboots would fix that either.
It isn't an experiment I will do. However, Angelo might, when
next he does his XXCopy. (He's already done it the wrong way.)
Copying the Swap File that way is the most often heard
prohibition about Xcopy32, XXCopy & even an Explorer copy.
Ah, Kan Yabumoto! This is one bright guy, Yabumoto is.
Reading the URLs you provided, I understand the problem
very likely is & always was solved in the case of XXCopy going
to an empty folder, provided the OS is pure. It is when SFNs
already exist in the destination folder that a problem may arise.
The problem with mixed OS's,
is that they SFNs differently. There are other
cautions mentioned in the URL trail you posted,
but I think it is not involved in this situation.
However, there are two versions of XXCopy. The one that
runs in "true" DOS may not be as capable as the 32-bit version.
Yet this is likely not the reason cindykapitan
needs to boot thrice to boot once.
But I never said it was!
I take you at your word that XXCopy
also handles the Swap File correctly.
I only offered that as a possibility.
So, why does she need to boot thrice?
......Start...of exchange between me & him......
"Kan Yabumoto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
| Hi, PCR;
| XXCOPY's /NX operation (it is a default setting) tries to preserve the
| SFN that is associated with the source file at the destination file
| as much as possible. Since this feature is only an added "bonus"
| when XXCOPY finds a situation in the destination which does not
| easily accommodate the desired outcome, it gives up the effort on
| that file. There are a number of scenarios where the /NX operation
| fails. For example, when there is another file in the destination
| which already has the desired file name, then, XXCOPY will not try
| to vacate the desired SFN by renaming the existing one. Another
| scenario is when the source or destination volume is controlled by
| both Win9X/ME and NT/2K/XP families of Windows (e.g., with a dual-boot
| system). While the first four SFN names are synthesized using the
| same scheme (starting with XXXXXX~1, XXXXXX~2, .... XXXXXX~4) by both
| the 9X/ME family and the NT family, the NT-family Windows switches
| the algorithm using a 4-digit hexadecimal hash value (e.g., XXABCD~1)
| to avoid excessive SFN collisions.
| Another notable case is with the file system for the CD-R/W
| (packet-write) volume such as InCD and DirectCD. The file system
| for CD-R/W uses a totally different scheme to assign the SFN.
| Since XXCOPY uses a combination of standard file I/O API functions
| iteratively to manipulate the SFN in order to preserve the
| SFN (rather than using direct low-level device I/O operations),
| XXCOPY will give up the /NX operation when the SFN preservation is
| not possible.
| Therefore, it is true that XXCOPY does not always succeed in
| preserving the SFN. However, we believe it is not critical in
| most situations (except when one tries to save the whole system
| volume into a CD-R/W volume and hopes to maintain the exact
| 8.3-name based referencing --- often found in the system registry).
| Typically, the most common place to encounter a massive SFN-collisions
| is in the cookies directory where the web browser (e.g., IE and
Mozilla) | saves cookies using a series of files whose name share the
| same beginning. Since the cookie files are always referenced by
| their LFN name, the SFN preservation for those files should not
| be critical.
| The most important SFN that should be preserved is the common
| ones such as "C:\Program Files\", "C:\Documents and Settings\".
Error Messages Are Your Friends--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
Angelo said:I have solved that problem by having a second hard drive that can be
connected as a storage medium. I then use XXCOPY to make a clone of my
existing hard drive. The spare drive must have a capacity same or larger
than the space you are occupying as the regular hard drive. After
copying the cloned version back onto the hard drive (or another you want
to use as the main drive), Windows 98 can be self- booted from that
after about two or three trys at same. W98 seems to "heal" or "grow"
itself to work OK that way!
PCR said:I am not an expert in XXCopy. You must go to the site and see whether
there is a write-up on a full-system XXCopy one hdd to another. Maybe
Yabumoto has it covered.
http://www.xxcopy.com/
(a) Rod Speed has sworn XXCopy will not copy the Swap File (Win386.swp).
Well... you mean... no, no, pay no attention to my limp...
I always play that way!
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