4x6 Kirkland Photo paper

[zakezuke]

Measkite said: Crazy stuff

Do you have any facts or figures to backup this statement?

Are you saying smart people support a monopoly?

We the consumer can not be held accountable if a given business model
starts to fail. It's not our job to subsidize the cost of the printer
by buying ink. It's like saying you can only use ford oil in a car,
toyota oil in a toyota. But let's say for example if double the cost
of a printer would lower your printing costs by a factor of 4. Wouldn't
you agree that would be a better deal?

 

[measekite]

Do you have any facts or figures to backup this statement?

Are you saying smart people support a monopoly?

THAT CERTAINLY DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS

We the consumer can not be held accountable if a given business model
starts to fail. It's not our job to subsidize the cost of the printer
by buying ink.

GROW A BEARD

It's like saying you can only use ford oil in a car,
toyota oil in a toyota. But let's say for example if double the cost
of a printer would lower your printing costs by a factor of 4. Wouldn't
you agree that would be a better deal?

THAT MAY HOLD A GLASS OF WATER IN THE LOW END BUT NOT IN THE HIGH END. I
WOULD NOT WANT TO PAY $1000 FOR A CANON I9900 UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

 

[zakezuke]

I would not want to pay $1000 for a canon i9900 under any circumstances

But that's the thing.. you do, after 5 cartridge changes. That's
$1000. While I agree that double the cost of the i9900 is too much...
even in this extreme example in the long term it's a better deal.

But I couldn't agree with you more, if they had to change more for the
printers to compensate for 3rd party products or cutting the cost to
produce their ink by 1/4... it's a better deal.

 

[measekite]

I THINK THEY SHOULD CHARGE 1/2 PRICE FOR THE INK AND THEY COULD INCREASE
THE PRICE OF THE PRINTER BY 15%

 

[zakezuke]

i think they should charge 1/2 the price for the ink and

they could increase the price of the printer by 15%

I have no idea what the actual cost to produce a single printer is.
But if a 15% increase keeps their head above water and I had my choice
between $1500/gal OEM ink, $750 to $300/gal aftermarket I wouldn't be
unhappy at all.

Good idea measekite.

 

[Burt]

I have no idea what the actual cost to produce a single printer is.
But if a 15% increase keeps their head above water and I had my choice
between $1500/gal OEM ink, $750 to $300/gal aftermarket I wouldn't be
unhappy at all.

Good idea measekite.

Reality check, folks - the market is what it is and the majority of inkjet
owners will continue to buy OEM ink which contunues to support the present
pricing scheme. Fortunately, the current solution to the cost problem is an
easy one - much discussed on this NG and regarded as an acceptable solution
by all but one of us. Nuff said?

 

[measekite]

Reality check, folks - the market is what it is and the majority of inkjet
owners will continue to buy OEM ink which contunues to support the present
pricing scheme.

THAT IS CORRECT

Fortunately, the current solution to the cost problem is an
easy one -

THEIR ARE VERY FEW SOLUTIONS IF ANY

 

[zakezuke]

Measkite said: Snipped per request

No, there are plenty of solutions. Only a handful meet measekite's
requirements. But a given end user only needs one soluiton typicaly
speaking.

 

[Mickey]

Yeah Burt we have had similar experience when we go away for extended
periods of time. MIS after market inks have never ever clogged any one
of our printers.
It simply has not happened. This is great testimony for after market
inks from actual users, not from losers who are not users!
Frank

I'll third Burt's comments experience, both with MIS and Kirkland paper.

Mickey

 

[Ron Shaw]

No, dumbass. YOU name one (or shutup).

JUST FOLLOW ALL OF THE POSTS

 

[drc023]

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IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE HP, EPSON, AND CANON PRINTERS AND
THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL OF THE DOLLARS SPENT ON OEM INK COMPARED TO THE
TOTAL YOU WILL FIND THAT THE VERY VAST MAJORITY USE OEM INK. IF THIS WAS
NOT SO THEN THE PRICE OF PRINTERS WOULD HAVE TO BE HIGHER, ESPECIALLY
EPSON. THESE ARE THE SMART ONES.

For once you actually said something that made sense. The price of printers
is artificially low as a way of getting the product to the consumer and as a
result sell the consumables at grossly inflated prices. I have no problem
with that since it means I can get the latest model printer I want at a dirt
cheap price and then refill the cartridges with high quality bulk ink for a
tiny fraction of the cost of OEM consumables. Note: I did not say third
party ink tanks or cartridges since those are still more expensive than
buying quality bulk ink, i.e. Formulabs, HobbiColors (don't know who makes
it, but it is very good ink), Image Specialists, MIS, etc...

 

[measekite]

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For once you actually said something that made sense. The price of printers
is artificially low as a way of getting the product to the consumer and as a
result sell the consumables at grossly inflated prices. I have no problem
with that since it means I can get the latest model printer I want at a dirt
cheap price and then refill the cartridges with high quality

YOU WILL NEVER KNOW AFTER YOU ENDURE THE MESSY PAIN IN THE ASS OF
REFILLING IF YOU ARE GETTING ANY KIND OF QUALITY BECAUSE THE VENDORS
WILL NOT TELL YOU WHAT YOU ARE GETTING.

 

[measekite]

*U SHUT UP DUMBASS*

No, dumbass. YOU name one (or shutup).

 

[zakezuke]

measekite said: snipped per request

You'll never know if this is true unless you actually bought some...
and just like you were wrong about there being NO prefilled cartridges
that disclose who manufactured it you are also wrong about there being
no bulk ink vender that will disclose what they are selling.

"All U-INK™ Refill Kits for Canon, sold after 10/9/2004, include a 1
year VIP Discount Code. Your VIP number entitles you to 10% OFF future
purchases of everything we sell. Inks manufactured in the United States
for WeInk, LLC by Image Specialists, Inc. USA"
http://www.weink.com/ecom/catalog/for_canon_324823_products.htm

I do not understand this insanity of yours. First you say you can't
get prefilled cartridges from anyone who will disclose what they are
using only bulk ink. Now your saying you can only get prefilled
cartridges with the manufactured disclosed. Guess what... it's EASIER
to find places that'll disclose the manufactured.

Let's see what you said in the past about weink

measekite Jun 5, 6:15 pm 2005
"The do not disclose on their website that I can see what they refill
the
carts they are selling. If they do provide me with the link. They do
say they sell Sensinent inks in bulk. I have heard Sensinent is about
the only company that formulates decent ink but I have only hear that
from a few members of the AfterMarket Church; two of those members are
singled out by you below. "

So you lied once again... way to go measekite!

 

[drc023]

Zake,
I only have one problem with your price comparisons. You constantly quote
non-OEM ink in the $300/gallon range. It is far less expensive than that.
Gallon bottles can be less than $100. Eight ounce bottles are frequently in
the $10 to $16 range.

 

[zakezuke]

Zake,

I only have one problem with your price comparisons. You constantly quote
non-OEM ink in the $300/gallon range. It is far less expensive than that.
Gallon bottles can be less than $100. Eight ounce bottles are frequently in
the $10 to $16 range.

Valid enough point... I base $300/gal on buying in 2oz at a time, which
is typicaly 2.50/oz give our take on that level. Your right I should
be more clear.

 

[drc023]

YOU WILL NEVER KNOW AFTER YOU ENDURE THE MESSY PAIN IN THE ASS OF
REFILLING IF YOU ARE GETTING ANY KIND OF QUALITY BECAUSE THE VENDORS WILL
NOT TELL YOU WHAT YOU ARE GETTING.

Since you've never tried refilling, how do you know that it's messy? (of
course you could say the same thing about sex or holding a job, both of
which you've never had) Fact: Refilling a BCI-6 tank is not at all messy.
The process takes about one minute from start to finish, maybe a little
longer if you are really slow.

You say that you don't know who makes the ink. I specifically mentioned
Formulabs and Image Specialists. Since those are the manufacturers, I do
believe that even you should be able to figure out that one. You also know
very well that www.alotofthings.com states on the first page of their web
site that all bulk ink they sell is manufactured by Sensient-Formulabs.

 

[measekite]

Since you've never tried refilling, how do you know that it's messy?

WHY WOULD A BUNCH OF MORONS CARRY ON A CONVERSATION OVER MANY DAYS ON
HOW TO GET PRINTER INK OFF THEIR CARPETS. BUYING CANON OEM, EPSON OEM,
OR HP OEM ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS.

(of
course you could say the same thing about sex or holding a job, both of
which you've never had) Fact: Refilling a BCI-6 tank is not at all messy.

UNTRUE

The process takes about one minute from start to finish,

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET THE INK OFF THE CARPET

maybe a little
longer if you are really slow.

YOU GOOTA BE SLOW BETWEEN THE EARS

You say that you don't know who makes the ink. I specifically mentioned
Formulabs

MOST WILL NOT TELL YOU IF THEY USE IT.

and Image Specialists.

THEY ARE NOT A BRAND

Since those are the manufacturers, I do
believe that even you should be able to figure out that one. You also know
very well that www.alotofthings.com states on the first page of their web
site that all bulk ink

I WOULD NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH THEM. I DO NOT THINK THEY ARE
PROFESSIONAL. THEY DO NOT TELL YOU WHAT THEY USE IN THEIR PREFILLED CARTS.

they sell is manufactured by Sensient-Formulabs.

NOT IN THEIR PREFILLED CARTS. THEY ALSO HAVE A TERRIBLE WEBSITE WHERE
IT IS DIFFICULT TO TELL WHAT YOU GET.

88INKJETS DISCLOSE MORE INFORMATION.

 

[measekite]

PUT A GALLON IN ME ALAN

Valid enough point... I base $300/gal on buying in 2oz at a time, which
is typicaly 2.50/oz give our take on that level. Your right I should
be more clear.

 

[measekite]

You'll never know if this is true unless you actually bought some...
and just like you were wrong about there being NO prefilled cartridges
that

THEY JUST STARTED DISCLOSING THAT FACT ON THEIR WEBSITE. THAT IS WHAT
THEY TOLD ME. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO DO THAT.