No you do not have to use ICS and should not use it when you have a
switch built into your router. ICS had it's day when most everyone was
on dialup. If your router/switch has five ports then plug your computers
into any port not designated as an uplink port [which is NOT the WAN
port]. I also assume here that you have configured your router to
connect to your ISP by entering the pertinent info into the part for
DSL/PPPOE which you need to do if you have not. The DSL modem plugs into
the "internet" or often called WAN port on the router.
UNC is a way to connect to a server or share using the syntax
\\servername\sharename and can be done in the run box, at the command
prompt as part of the net use command, or in scripts. It is often
helpful to use in troubleshooting in situations where you can not access
a computer by clicking it in My Network Places which may be problem with
the "browse" not working correctly. The "browse" list is what you see
when you look in My Network Places other than shortcuts. --- Steve
message
If the second card is lost on HOST PC then DSL Internet does not
connect.
Don't I have to use ICS on the HOST in order for the 2nd PC to have DSL
Internet.
Following what the directions for the router and what ALL techs have
said
...DON'T connect to the #1 (uplink)
Are you saying the DSL internet should go there with the button not
pressed
in and then in port 2 & 3 the two PCs?
I do not follow the last part of your reply containing this
""Also try to access the computer with the share by UNC with both
computer
name and IP address to see if that works or not. In the run box put
\\computername\share or \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
is the
actual IP address of the computer with the share. Running netstat -an
on
the computer with the share should show ports 139 TCP and 445 TCP
connected
or listening.""
I am sure that all the different tech people that have given advice and
my
mishaps have created many mistakes in WINXPPRO.
Is there a way to remove ALL the work I have done and start over with
your
advice?
For example I see several PC's on the network that I have created with
diferent names.
I have restored the host PC to before I started this and they are still
there?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven L Umbach" <
[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: 2 pc network - can't see host files from pc 2 on pc 1
You are over complicating things. Ditch the second network card in the
one computer and connect all computers directly to the switch that is
integrated in the router. Do not use ICS ever unless you are using
dial up to access the internet. All computer should be using the
router IP as the default gateway which probably is 192.168.1.1 and can
use the router for DHCP. Be sure to disable ICS on the one computer or
it will also try to dish out IP addresses. Use ipconfig /all to verify
tcp/ip configuration on the computers and verify that they can ping
each other.
XP Pro by default uses simple file sharing which uses the guest
account for share access and shares/NTFS permissions would then need
to include everyone group. Otherwise disable simple file sharing and
create user accounts on each computer and configure share/NTFS
permissions to be the access for user/group that you want to have
access. The user trying to access the share would then need to logon
with a user logon/password that exists on the computer with the share
in order to access it. It may be helpful to look in the security log
via Event Viewer of the computer with the share to see if failed logon
events are recorded that may provide a clue as to why access is being
denied if the user is failing to authenticate to the computer. You
need to use Local Security Policy [secpol.msc] to make sure that the
computer with the share has auditing of logon events enabled which it
mat have by default.
Host/software firewalls are often a cause of problems with accessing
file shares in a network. These firewalls should be disabled [assuming
internet router is protecting the network] until the problem is
resolved and also booting into Safe Mode with networking should be
tried as a troubleshooting procedure. Also try to access the computer
with the share by UNC with both computer name and IP address to see if
that works or not. In the run box put \\computername\share or
\\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the actual IP address
of the computer with the share. Running netstat -an on the computer
with the share should show ports 139 TCP and 445 TCP connected or
listening. The links below may be ful. --- Steve
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q304040 ---
info on simple file sharing
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308418 ---
configure NTFS folder/file permissions assuming NTFS file system is
used
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/maintain/operate/adminsf.mspx
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/troubleshoot/
message
I am trying to network two PC's for a friend.
I did my research before starting the process of networking two
computers and have followed it to a T.
I have contacted the tech guys at Best Buy, Microsoft,
Symantec/Norton, and a software vendors tech support and none of them
seems to be of help. They all trhow me off to the next guy. So A
post in here will hopefully be fruitful to my needs. Here is what I
have for a layout
Both PC's running WindowsXP PRO updated to SP2 on both.
SBCglobal DSL modem
two ethernet cards on host machine - one for DSL and the other for
network to the Linksys 5 port router in port 2.
One ethernet card on 2nd PC connected to Linksys 5 port router in
port 3 (port one uplink NOT USED).
Used network Wizard on both Pc's starting with HOST machine with
shared internet in group OFFICE.
Host machine has Norton Internet Security 2004 with all updates. It
has personal firewall.
The second machine has no security other than windows firewall which
is disabled/off.
I have run MSANTISPYWARE BETA (latest version updated), NOTHING FOUND
Adware PRO Nothing found,
AVG PRO= Nothing found
Norton Internet Security 2004 defaults set on all options and ran a
ful scan several times = Found nothing.
I can get the ip address of both with ipconfig /all
which are:
Host PC = 192.168.1.100
2nd PC = 192.168.1.101
set to "automatically assigned"
I can ping 192.168.1.100 & 192.168.1.101 from both machines and get
128 TTL 4 timesn on both w/ no lost packets
I have all folders (yes ALL ) on each PC shared as well as the
printer connected to the HOST PC.
When I open MY NETWORK PLACES on desktop and then ADD NETWORK PLACE
then NEXT, then CHOOSE ANOTHER NETWORK PLACE, then next, then
Internet or network place and select BROWSE I am shown Entire
network, and select Microsoft Windows Network, then OFFICE, then
the two PC's on the network "HOST" and "a2dPC"., then I select HOST
and then the okay button and I recieve this eror message.
\\2ndPC may not have permissions to read on the host PC, see the
administrator of the HOST PC Well duh, thats me and I have no clue
how to correct this.
You are over complicating things. Ditch the second network card in the
one computer and connect all computers directly to the switch that is
integrated in the router. Do not use ICS ever unless you are using
dial up to access the internet. All computer should be using the
router IP as the default gateway which probably is 192.168.1.1 and can
use the router for DHCP. Be sure to disable ICS on the one computer or
it will also try to dish out IP addresses. Use ipconfig /all to verify
tcp/ip configuration on the computers and verify that they can ping
each other.
XP Pro by default uses simple file sharing which uses the guest
account for share access and shares/NTFS permissions would then need
to include everyone group. Otherwise disable simple file sharing and
create user accounts on each computer and configure share/NTFS
permissions to be the access for user/group that you want to have
access. The user trying to access the share would then need to logon
with a user logon/password that exists on the computer with the share
in order to access it. It may be helpful to look in the security log
via Event Viewer of the computer with the share to see if failed logon
events are recorded that may provide a clue as to why access is being
denied if the user is failing to authenticate to the computer. You
need to use Local Security Policy [secpol.msc] to make sure that the
computer with the share has auditing of logon events enabled which it
mat have by default.
Host/software firewalls are often a cause of problems with accessing
file shares in a network. These firewalls should be disabled [assuming
internet router is protecting the network] until the problem is
resolved and also booting into Safe Mode with networking should be
tried as a troubleshooting procedure. Also try to access the computer
with the share by UNC with both computer name and IP address to see if
that works or not. In the run box put \\computername\share or
\\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the actual IP address
of the computer with the share. Running netstat -an on the computer
with the share should show ports 139 TCP and 445 TCP connected or
listening. The links below may be lpful. --- Steve
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q304040 ---
info on simple file sharing
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308418 ---
configure NTFS folder/file permissions assuming NTFS file system is
used
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/maintain/operate/adminsf.mspx
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/troubleshoot/
message
I am trying to network two PC's for a friend.
I did my research before starting the process of networking two
computers and have followed it to a T.
I have contacted the tech guys at Best Buy, Microsoft,
Symantec/Norton, and a software vendors tech support and none of them
seems to be of help. They all trhow me off to the next guy. So A
post in here will hopefully be fruitful to my needs. Here is what I
have for a layout
Both PC's running WindowsXP PRO updated to SP2 on both.
SBCglobal DSL modem
two ethernet cards on host machine - one for DSL and the other for
network to the Linksys 5 port router in port 2.
One ethernet card on 2nd PC connected to Linksys 5 port router in
port 3 (port one uplink NOT USED).
Used network Wizard on both Pc's starting with HOST machine with
shared internet in group OFFICE.
Host machine has Norton Internet Security 2004 with all updates. It
has personal firewall.
The second machine has no security other than windows firewall which
is disabled/off.
I have run MSANTISPYWARE BETA (latest version updated), NOTHING FOUND
Adware PRO Nothing found,
AVG PRO= Nothing found
Norton Internet Security 2004 defaults set on all options and ran a
ful scan several times = Found nothing.
I can get the ip address of both with ipconfig /all
which are:
Host PC = 192.168.1.100
2nd PC = 192.168.1.101
set to "automatically assigned"
I can ping 192.168.1.100 & 192.168.1.101 from both machines and get
128 TTL 4 timesn on both w/ no lost packets
I have all folders (yes ALL ) on each PC shared as well as the
printer connected to the HOST PC.
When I open MY NETWORK PLACES on desktop and then ADD NETWORK PLACE
then NEXT, then CHOOSE ANOTHER NETWORK PLACE, then next, then
Internet or network place and select BROWSE I am shown Entire
network, and select Microsoft Windows Network, then OFFICE, then
the two PC's on the network "HOST" and "a2dPC"., then I select HOST
and then the okay button and I recieve this eror message.
\\2ndPC may not have permissions to read on the host PC, see the
administrator of the HOST PC Well duh, thats me and I have no clue
how to correct this.
