19" or 20" TFT Samsung vs. Dell

[gbozovic11]

I have finally narrowed down my search for the LCD. Originally I was
looking at 19" LCDs and in this category I like the Samsung 930/940b
with 700:1 and 8ns. However, recently I have stumbled upon rebates for
the Dell Ultrasharp 2001FP 20" LCD which has 1600x1200 (19" has
1280x1024), 16ns, 400:1. With the rebates it is $430 where the Samsung
is $350. It is not much of a price difference considering a long-term
purchase of a monitor.

However, the 2001FP is nearly 2-years old, it has mixed reviews, and
the specs are not as good as the Samsung. I know there is also the
2005FPW, but its not on sale (price now is about $550 which is high out
of my range) I know that regular Windows apps will benefit from the
higher resolution, but I also extensively play Flight Simulator 2004,
sometimes Call of Duty, etc.

In your opinion, which of the two monitors would you get in terms of
quality.
Would playing the games at higher resolution (FS2004) give lesser
performance (FPS)? The system running the LCD is new and high-specs
(Nvidia 7-series, 256mg RAM)


What is most important to me is picture quality for FS2004 and Windows
apps. The Samsung looks wonderful, the Dell I obviously cannot see
since its mail-order. In your opinion, what choice would you make?

Kind regards,
George B.

 

[Bob]

I have finally narrowed down my search for the LCD. Originally I was
looking at 19" LCDs and in this category I like the Samsung 930/940b
with 700:1 and 8ns.

I think you mean 8ms, not 8ns. I believe the faster the response, the
narrower the viewing angle so don't let 8ms necessarily be the one you
choose.

However, recently I have stumbled upon rebates for
the Dell Ultrasharp 2001FP 20" LCD which has 1600x1200 (19" has
1280x1024), 16ns, 400:1. With the rebates it is $430

Too high (see below).

where the Samsung
is $350. It is not much of a price difference considering a long-term
purchase of a monitor.

If that is your attitude then get a Viewsonic. They are the best
monitors made. If you get twice the service life for a few extra
bucks, then it is worth it.

Check out Directron at http://www.directron.com/18lcd.html

They have a Viewsonic VG910s 19" 1280 x 1024, w/ Speakers for $378.

http://www.directron.com/vg910b.html

You cannot go wrong with a Viewsonic. I do not trust Samsung nor do I
trust Dell when it comes to specialty items like an LCD monitor,
especially at such a high price.

I am currently using a Viewsonic G810 Graphic Series 19" CRT. I got it
for $125 refurbished - I believe it was used at Compaq. It has given
me several years of service thus far. When it comes time to replace it
I am getting a Viewsonic 19" LCD like the ones at Directron.



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"What the American people have seen is this incredible
disparity in which those people who had cars and money
got out and those people who were impoverished drowned."
-- Ted Kennedy on Hurricane Katrina

"Ditto"
-- Mary Jo Kopechne

 

[Scotter]

I'm running dual Dell 2405 FPW (24" widescreen) LCDs and I LOVE them.
Our 42" Plasma is a Dell and it has worked flawlessly.
I've had two Viewsonic 21" graphics series CRTs and they were "ok".
I've had various Samsung products, including one 21" CRT and it was great.
I have a LOT of confidence in both Dell and Samsung products.
The other poster may have had problems with Dell or Samsung or heard bad
things but I've heard only good. And I didn't think Viewsonic was that great
a monitor nowadays from the reviews I've read.

 

[Gary Hendricks]

Sometime to watch out for if you're buying a Samsung 930:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17481385



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[Michael Cody]

Sometime to watch out for if you're buying a Samsung 930:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17481385

Link times out.

Cody

 

[RaceFace]

Link times out.

Cody

I read the thread, and there's nothing definitive pointing to the monitor
being the problem. He just describes some "jaggy lines". Impossible to say
what's causing it, or if there even is a problem, and he just doesn't have
something screwed in his settings, or elsewhere in his system. Doesn't say
what software he sees the problem in either. I always take posts like that
with a grain of salt. Might have a problem, might not.

I have a Samsung 930B and I'm very happy with it. Great picture quality and
brightness. Zero ghosting, in anything.

RF.

 

[gbozovic11]

I went out and got the 930B. I still have some time to return it, in
case there is convincing enough reason for the Dell 2001FP. The 930B
looked bad at the store. When I got at home, it didn't look great. I
ran the auto-configure settings, and now it looks wonderful, much
better than my old Viewsonic VG175. It's brigther and crisper, contrast
is much improved.

Haven't tried DVI yet, still waiting for the new computer with cable.

 

[Bob]

I went out and got the 930B. I still have some time to return it, in
case there is convincing enough reason for the Dell 2001FP. The 930B
looked bad at the store. When I got at home, it didn't look great. I
ran the auto-configure settings, and now it looks wonderful, much
better than my old Viewsonic VG175. It's brigther and crisper, contrast
is much improved.

Haven't tried DVI yet, still waiting for the new computer with cable.

You will have to let it sit in the same place so it can adjust to the
Earth's magnetic field. The degausser takes care of most of it but
there is a residual effect left from the position at the store that
has to decay away. You may notice some color bleed at the far right of
the screen which does not go away when you degauss. It will go away in
1-3 months.


--

"What the American people have seen is this incredible
disparity in which those people who had cars and money
got out and those people who were impoverished drowned."
-- Ted Kennedy on Hurricane Katrina

"Ditto"
-- Mary Jo Kopechne

 

[J. Eric Durbin]

You will have to let it sit in the same place so it can adjust to the
Earth's magnetic field. The degausser takes care of most of it but
there is a residual effect left from the position at the store that
has to decay away. You may notice some color bleed at the far right of
the screen which does not go away when you degauss. It will go away in
1-3 months.

Don't forget the possible effects of aetheric phlogisten causing pixel
randomization when the display is rotated more than 180 degrees from
true north. Unless the Samsung comes with an anti-phlogisten grid
installed.

 

[Jan Alter]

WHOOOPS... LOL

I fell off the chair.

 

[Bob]

Don't forget the possible effects of aetheric phlogisten causing pixel
randomization when the display is rotated more than 180 degrees from
true north. Unless the Samsung comes with an anti-phlogisten grid
installed.

That's good to know, especially if you live in a phlogisten-rich area.

You seem to have a great deal of experience with phlogisten so you
must live in one of those phlogisten-rich areas.

Did you know that phlogisten can cause dimentia. You need to seek
treatment as soon as possible, or people will start thinking you are
stark raving mad.

That phlogisten stuff can be mighty nasty.


--

"What the American people have seen is this incredible
disparity in which those people who had cars and money
got out and those people who were impoverished drowned."
-- Ted Kennedy on Hurricane Katrina

"Ditto"
-- Mary Jo Kopechne

 

[Bob]

WHOOOPS... LOL

I fell off the chair.

One of the most notorious effects of excessive phlogisten exposure is
top posting.


--

"What the American people have seen is this incredible
disparity in which those people who had cars and money
got out and those people who were impoverished drowned."
-- Ted Kennedy on Hurricane Katrina

"Ditto"
-- Mary Jo Kopechne

 

[Dallas]

"Bob"

One of the most notorious effects of excessive phlogisten exposure is
top posting.

Over here at alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim we encourage top posting.


Dallas

 

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Do the Samsung. That SyncMaster is nice. I'm on a 730B right now. Love it &
at 8ns, it has NO GHOST. I'll try out quake 4 on it tomorrow;p

 

[Beech45Whiskey]

Over here at alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim we encourage top posting.

I wouldn't say it's encouraged. Perhaps tolerated would be a better word.

 

[Bryan Bellis]

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:15:22 -0700, J. Eric Durbin

Did you know that phlogisten can cause dimentia. You need to seek
treatment as soon as possible, or people will start thinking you are
stark raving mad.

Not heard of that particular malady. Is Dimentia a particular form of
madness caused by close association with monitor phlogisten, or has
your dose risen to such levels where you can't spell Dementia any
more?
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[Bob]

Not heard of that particular malady. Is Dimentia a particular form of
madness caused by close association with monitor phlogisten, or has
your dose risen to such levels where you can't spell Dementia any
more?

Who said anything about Dementia?

I said dimentia, which is specifically associated with phlogisten.

Dementia is associated with not knowing what dimentia is.

Dontcha know any medicine or what!

--

"What the American people have seen is this incredible
disparity in which those people who had cars and money
got out and those people who were impoverished drowned."
-- Ted Kennedy on Hurricane Katrina

"Ditto"
-- Mary Jo Kopechne

 

[Bob]

Over here at alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim we encourage top posting.

That's because what has already been posted once is not worth further
consideration.

--

"What the American people have seen is this incredible
disparity in which those people who had cars and money
got out and those people who were impoverished drowned."
-- Ted Kennedy on Hurricane Katrina

"Ditto"
-- Mary Jo Kopechne

 

[Dallas]

"Beech45Whiskey"

I wouldn't say it's encouraged. Perhaps tolerated would be a better word.

Ok.. I encourage top posting. If I have to scroll down to search for a
reply outside of my newsreader's view window, I generally delete the message
instead.


Dallas

 

[Beech45Whiskey]

"Beech45Whiskey"

Ok.. I encourage top posting.

And top posting would work if there were only one reply for every post and
no follow up.

But, if someone new were to stumble onto the thread but his news server did
not contain any but the most recent post, it would be much easier for this
person to follow the history of the thread if everyone bottom posted.

What ruins us bottom posters's reputations are the folks who quote 500
lines of text, only to add their one line reply at the bottom. I, too,
agree that those types of bottom posters should be drawn and quartered.

Whoops, I just discovered that I am again pissing in the wind and ruined
another good pair of shoes.

If I have to scroll down to search for a
reply outside of my newsreader's view window, I generally delete the message
instead.

Ah, that explains why I rarely see replies to my posts from you.