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A Programmer
Exactly. And I'll vouch to doing it - with 95 all the way through to
XP. All unstable, each in their own ways.
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Exactly. And I'll vouch to doing it - with 95 all the way through to
XP. All unstable, each in their own ways.
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Bruce Chambers
A said:Exactly. And I'll vouch to doing it - with 95 all the way through to
XP. All unstable, each in their own ways.
Not on properly maintained systems.
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NoStop
I'd guess that 90% of Windoze users wouldn't have a clue as to how to haveNot on properly maintained systems.
"properly maintained systems". In fact, it should be the operating system
that is written to be immune to malware, not dependent on the end-user who
just wants to get work done. To "properly maintain" a Windoze system, one
has to devote far too much time and resources constantly downloading new
virus defs, running one condom on top of another (and in Safe mode
sometimes - which requires reboots) to try and keep the malware at bay.
With over 200,000 viruses presently out in the wild, focused on
compromising a Windoze box, the task to maintain this toy operating system
has reached a no-win situation. Time to move on to a real operating system
- GNU/Linux.
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WGA is the best thing that has happened for Linux in a while.
The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613
Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:
http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg
A 3D Linux Desktop (video) ...
View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://shots.osdir.com/
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wdflannery
USB and DVD recording well not really, bought a cheap laptop here with
Erp. That does it. Got to stick with XP.
There was no hardware problem, BTW. Repair guy put all my data in a
folder (70 gig) and reloaded XP. I'm finding that I have discs for or
can download most of the software I'd accumulated.
It was possible to reload 95 without losing anything, from the discs.
I've done it myself several times. And, for me, 95 was much faster. I
think the 2 computer solution, one with 95 and one with XP, is a good
one.
Erp. That does it. Got to stick with XP.
There was no hardware problem, BTW. Repair guy put all my data in a
folder (70 gig) and reloaded XP. I'm finding that I have discs for or
can download most of the software I'd accumulated.
It was possible to reload 95 without losing anything, from the discs.
I've done it myself several times. And, for me, 95 was much faster. I
think the 2 computer solution, one with 95 and one with XP, is a good
one.
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JS
Hey NoStop, stop and take time to read the latest Secunia Vulnerabilities
Summary Listing:
It has 4 new entries for Windows and more than 40 for Linux.
The plain fact is that UNIX/Linux systems are no more secure then Windows.
After Ubuntu (the flavor of the month) fades what will be the next great
product, maybe they will name it Linzux - Raw or Cooked.
CHMOD, CHOWN, Vi say I
JS
Summary Listing:
It has 4 new entries for Windows and more than 40 for Linux.
The plain fact is that UNIX/Linux systems are no more secure then Windows.
After Ubuntu (the flavor of the month) fades what will be the next great
product, maybe they will name it Linzux - Raw or Cooked.
CHMOD, CHOWN, Vi say I
JS
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Gordon
JS said:Hey NoStop, stop and take time to read the latest Secunia Vulnerabilities
Summary Listing:
It has 4 new entries for Windows and more than 40 for Linux.
And how many of that 40 are for the KERNEL (ie the OS) and how many for
APPLICATIONS? I'll bet you'll find that most are for applications as is
usual. You can't trot that old FUD any more.
J
JS
Windows: 2 for the OS, two for non Microsoft applications.
UNIX/Linux - 7 OS related, 6 Browser, 13 applications, remaining less
obvious.
JS
UNIX/Linux - 7 OS related, 6 Browser, 13 applications, remaining less
obvious.
JS
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Gordon
JS said:Windows: 2 for the OS, two for non Microsoft applications.
UNIX/Linux - 7 OS related, 6 Browser, 13 applications, remaining less
obvious.
So the comparison is 2 to 7, NOT 2 to 40 then. Plus, those 7 vulnerabilities
are probably already fixed whereas the MS ones MIGHT get fixed in a month's
time.......
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JS
I would not assume at this point which have or not have been fixed.
JS
JS
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NoStop
Proof of the pudding is in the eating ... ie. never had any malware on anyWindows: 2 for the OS, two for non Microsoft applications.
UNIX/Linux - 7 OS related, 6 Browser, 13 applications, remaining less
obvious.
JS
of my Linux boxes - EVER. No anti-virus crap running here, nor do I worry
about it. Windoze on the other hand ... enuf said. So stick your silly
stats up your ass. They mean nothing in the real world.
--
WGA is the best thing that has happened for Linux in a while.
The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613
Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:
http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg
A 3D Linux Desktop (video) ...
View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://shots.osdir.com/
J
JS
Never had any malware (except you) on my Windows system either.
JS
JS
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vernon
A Programmer said:Exactly. And I'll vouch to doing it - with 95 all the way through to
XP. All unstable, each in their own ways.
Hmmm
I just wonder whether it is the owner /operator in your case.
I maintain and train people on applications on XP run computers, about 30
all told. Since Xp came out my business has dropped because of almost NO
operating system problems.
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vernon
JS said:Hey NoStop, stop and take time to read the latest Secunia Vulnerabilities
Summary Listing:
It has 4 new entries for Windows and more than 40 for Linux.
The plain fact is that UNIX/Linux systems are no more secure then Windows.
After Ubuntu (the flavor of the month) fades what will be the next great
product, maybe they will name it Linzux - Raw or Cooked.
CHMOD, CHOWN, Vi say I
JS
True.
People (the average joe) cause themslves problems. The really big zaps to
computers are to corporate servers running Linux / unix.
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Gordon
JS said:I would not assume at this point which have or not have been fixed.
JS
Almost all Linux vulnerabilities get a fix usually within HOURS of their
discovery, unlike Windows where they might get fixed in next month's patch
release if they get fixed at all......
J
JS
Don't misunderstand, I'm not downing UNIX/Linux since I've been a UNIX Admin
since 1985. The basic approach to creating a UNIX OS is better than the way
Microsoft created Windows which I've used since 1.x. The problem is that
both Windows and UNIX/Linux are Operating Systems and as such require an
appropriate amount of knowledge and use of such.
Windows is a bigger target for hackers as they see Microsoft much as the way
IBM was seen in the late 70's and early 80's, the bad guy.
JS
since 1985. The basic approach to creating a UNIX OS is better than the way
Microsoft created Windows which I've used since 1.x. The problem is that
both Windows and UNIX/Linux are Operating Systems and as such require an
appropriate amount of knowledge and use of such.
Windows is a bigger target for hackers as they see Microsoft much as the way
IBM was seen in the late 70's and early 80's, the bad guy.
JS
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ANONYMOUS
Has your repair guy ever thought of that it may be the hardware
problem? Why do you need to take your system to a repair guy when you
can do it yourself? To install an OS is not genrally difficult provided
you have the time of about an hour to do it.
Window95 is now a collectors' item and it may not work properly on new
machines because of drivers incompatibilities. No body makes drivers
for old OS any more.
hth
problem? Why do you need to take your system to a repair guy when you
can do it yourself? To install an OS is not genrally difficult provided
you have the time of about an hour to do it.
Window95 is now a collectors' item and it may not work properly on new
machines because of drivers incompatibilities. No body makes drivers
for old OS any more.
hth
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Gordon
vernon wrote:
True.
Eh? Where on earth do you get THAT from? It's the reverse! The BIG zaps are
on WINDOWS servers!
True.
People (the average joe) cause themslves problems. The really big zaps to
computers are to corporate servers running Linux / unix.
Eh? Where on earth do you get THAT from? It's the reverse! The BIG zaps are
on WINDOWS servers!
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Gordon
JS said:Don't misunderstand, I'm not downing UNIX/Linux since I've been a UNIX
Admin since 1985. The basic approach to creating a UNIX OS is better than
the way Microsoft created Windows which I've used since 1.x. The problem
is that both Windows and UNIX/Linux are Operating Systems and as such
require an appropriate amount of knowledge and use of such.
Windows is a bigger target for hackers as they see Microsoft much as the
way IBM was seen in the late 70's and early 80's, the bad guy.
That's not the REAL reason - yes there are "economies of scale" at work
here, but the REAL reason is that Windows is such an easy target compared
to Unix/Linux.....why do you think that a stand-alone Unix/Linux system
requires no AV or anti-malware software? Because it is SO difficult to
write viruses and malware for Unix/Linux systems whereas due to the way
Windows is written, it is so EASY to write viruses and malware.
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ANONYMOUS
Gordon,
you know and I know that we can't agree on which system is perfect.
None of the systems on market are perfect. We have to use the tools
that are best/fit for the purpose. If linux is so good why on earth
have I not come across any serious business using it?
hth
you know and I know that we can't agree on which system is perfect.
None of the systems on market are perfect. We have to use the tools
that are best/fit for the purpose. If linux is so good why on earth
have I not come across any serious business using it?
hth
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Gordon
ANONYMOUS said:Gordon,
you know and I know that we can't agree on which system is perfect.
None of the systems on market are perfect. We have to use the tools
that are best/fit for the purpose. If linux is so good why on earth
have I not come across any serious business using it?
Because (in the main) of MS's historic predatory dealings with OEMs......
And also all the usual proprietary software lock-in methods.
The winds of change are blowing though,
Some fairly serious businesses using Linux here:
http://www.aaxnet.com/design/linux2.html
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