XP no more...!

[Terry R.]

On 6/5/2007 10:10 AM On a whim, Richard Urban pounded out on the keyboard

Why are you so upset that a company has decided to, for reasons of their
own - not yours, move entirely to Vista?

Richard,

Where do you find ANYWHERE that I sound upset? Please quote it! As a
consultant, I am always wanting to know how these decisions come about,
especially in a corporate environment.

If Frank could have provided ANY reasons for the decision, it would have
been something I would have used to bring to my clients. But I can see
it only became a boast, and that is something that won't pull any weight
with me nor my clients.

And you can see how Frank responded to your "no cost" statement, which
was nothing further from the truth.

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[Frank]

Terry R. wrote:
| It doesn't matter what your company does.

Sure it does.

| It's just that someone boasting they've moved to Vista is only that, a
boast. Nothing has been gained by it.

Obviously, in our opinion, your statement is not true.

| By the time XP is on it's way out, it will be a completely different
story.

XP is on it's way out.

| But making a corporate jump now isn't a wise move IMO...

In your opinion, but you're not involved with our company nor are you
intimately familiar with what we do, are you?

| and that opinion appears to be inline with the largest corporations
around the globe.

We are not a "large corporation" by anyones definition. Are you?

| But if you're happy, that's all that matters I guess, isn't it.

Yes, thats all that really matters.
Frank

 

[Frank]

On 6/5/2007 10:10 AM On a whim, Richard Urban pounded out on the keyboard


Richard,

Where do you find ANYWHERE that I sound upset? Please quote it! As a
consultant, I am always wanting to know how these decisions come about,
especially in a corporate environment.

If Frank could have provided ANY reasons for the decision, it would have
been something I would have used to bring to my clients. But I can see
it only became a boast, and that is something that won't pull any weight
with me nor my clients.

And you can see how Frank responded to your "no cost" statement, which
was nothing further from the truth.

So you're a "consultant", right?
Most consultants will always say, IMO don't do it.
The accountants say, IMO don't do it.
The attorneys say, IMO don't do it.
They all have basically the same reason for saying, IMO don't do it
because if something goes wrong, they'll be the ones who are blamed.
Fortunately, most CEO's will take their advice into consideration, but
make their own decision.
When a CEO starts letting the back room boys (aka bean counters), or the
attorneys or consultants run the company then generally speaking, all is
lost any the company is dead, it just hasn't fallen over as of yet.
Frank

 

[Adam Albright]

So you're a "consultant", right?
Most consultants will always say, IMO don't do it.
The accountants say, IMO don't do it.
The attorneys say, IMO don't do it.
They all have basically the same reason for saying, IMO don't do it
because if something goes wrong, they'll be the ones who are blamed.
Fortunately, most CEO's will take their advice into consideration, but
make their own decision.
When a CEO starts letting the back room boys (aka bean counters), or the
attorneys or consultants run the company then generally speaking, all is
lost any the company is dead, it just hasn't fallen over as of yet.
Frank

Frank's only "skill" is trying to boast about his "company" in this
backwater newsgroup. Every time he's called on any topic to give
specifics, he crumples like a cheap suit. Very funny, doesn't come
close.

Frank is really a troll in training.

 

[Terry R.]

On 6/5/2007 10:10 AM On a whim, Richard Urban pounded out on the keyboard

Richard,

Where do you find ANYWHERE that I sound upset? Please quote it! As a
consultant, I am always wanting to know how these decisions come about,
especially in a corporate environment.

If Frank could have provided ANY reasons for the decision, it would have
been something I would have used to bring to my clients. But I can see
it only became a boast, and that is something that won't pull any weight
with me nor my clients.

And you can see how Frank responded to your "no cost" statement, which
was nothing further from the truth.

So you're a "consultant", right?
Most consultants will always say, IMO don't do it.
The accountants say, IMO don't do it.
The attorneys say, IMO don't do it.
They all have basically the same reason for saying, IMO don't do it
because if something goes wrong, they'll be the ones who are blamed.
Fortunately, most CEO's will take their advice into consideration, but
make their own decision.
When a CEO starts letting the back room boys (aka bean counters), or the
attorneys or consultants run the company then generally speaking, all is
lost any the company is dead, it just hasn't fallen over as of yet.
Frank[/QUOTE]

No, not if something goes wrong, they'll get blamed. That's a lame
excuse. Other than personal gratification (and boasting), there isn't
any reason to expend the costs, man hours, etc. of moving to this new
OS. I can't give anyone one good reason to change. They would think I
would just be trying to drum up work. We're not talking Win9x to XP
here (as most of my clients skipped W2K).

And most CEO's I know, rely on their "back room boys" to come to the
right decisions. The ones that think they know it all are probably the
ones moving to Vista right now, and wasting resources that could be used
to increase company income & profits. But since you deal with
governments, that's probably not an issue.

We've had a construction company since 1978, a property management
company since 1994 and a consulting company since 1994, so I'm quite
familiar with decision making, especially in the computer area, so I'm
not just an "IMO" person.

I hope Vista is all you thought it would be. But there still isn't
anything to boast about, because you can't do anything the XP users
can't do, and most likely less, for now.

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[Frank]

Terry R. wrote:

And most CEO's I know, rely on their "back room boys" to come to the
right decisions.

I guess you missed the part where I said "Fortunately, most CEO's will
take their advice into consideration"...

The ones that think they know it all are probably the

ones moving to Vista right now, and wasting resources that could be used
to increase company income & profits. But since you deal with
governments, that's probably not an issue.

From you posts, you seem upset and angry as if you have a problem with
me or else you're looking to me to solve some problem you have.
Sorry if I've upset you or don't supply the exact information you feel
you need from me to move forward with Vista.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
Frank

 

[Terry R.]

And most CEO's I know, rely on their "back room boys" to come to the
right decisions.

I guess you missed the part where I said "Fortunately, most CEO's will
take their advice into consideration"...
[/QUOTE]

Sure I read it, but you decided to leave out the part that prompted my
above reply:

Fortunately, most CEO's will take their advice into consideration
"...but make their own decision. When a CEO starts letting the back room
boys (aka bean counters), or the attorneys or consultants run the
company then generally speaking, all is lost any the company is dead..."

The ones that think they know it all are probably the

From you posts, you seem upset and angry as if you have a problem with
me or else you're looking to me to solve some problem you have.
Sorry if I've upset you or don't supply the exact information you feel
you need from me to move forward with Vista.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
Frank

Like I asked Richard, please tell me where I've been upset or angry. I
just asked you some easy questions and you failed to provide any answers.

You've instead chosen to talk around my questions, which is fine, I
understand that, because other than your personal decision to "move" to
Vista, and to boast about having your company a complete "Vista" house,
there wasn't any real business decision made by any board or such. This
was the info I was trying to get out of you, that if it had validity, I
would have presented it to my clients. But there is nothing to present.

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[Frank]

Terry R. wrote:

| This was the info I was trying to get out of you, that if it had
validity,
I would have presented it to my clients. But there is nothing to present.

That's lame! How would you know any data from any company would have any
validity or relevance for your intended use unless it’s actually derived
from the company you intend to present it to?
That’s a judgment call on your part and would have no factual
significance to any other situation. If you came to me with that kind of
info I wouldn’t stand for it!
I would demand you do your own case study using empirical data derived
from and relevant only to my company.
But do what you want.
I don’t have dog in this fight.
Frank

 

[Terry R.]

On 6/5/2007 2:58 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard

Terry R. wrote:

| This was the info I was trying to get out of you, that if it had
validity,
I would have presented it to my clients. But there is nothing to present.

That's lame! How would you know any data from any company would have any
validity or relevance for your intended use unless it’s actually derived
from the company you intend to present it to?
That’s a judgment call on your part and would have no factual
significance to any other situation. If you came to me with that kind of
info I wouldn’t stand for it!
I would demand you do your own case study using empirical data derived
from and relevant only to my company.
But do what you want.
I don’t have dog in this fight.
Frank

So, I'm still not getting any answers. I had a simple list I asked for
and you ignored it. It was NOT company specific, but a logical list
that any CEO, owner, or decision maker would want when making decisions
on changing over to a new OS. You're trying to say that because your
company is SO different, you stand apart? Sorry, the same questions
could be used for any company.

And you could demand all you want for your "case studies", but it sounds
like you just made a sweeping decision regardless if there wasn't any
valid reasons to do it. Without answering any of my questions Frank,
you just wanted to boast about being on Vista. Big deal. I'm not
impressed. And I'm glad my clients aren't as haphazard as you appear to
be.

I WILL do what I want, by continuing to research and see if any of my
clients have a real need for an upgraded OS. As part of that, I tried
to ask you, but apparently you don't have any reasons except to gloat.
So I'm convinced there isn't any reason to upgrade an OS with the minor
changes that MS implemented into Vista. If you've got some concrete
reasons, with data to support it, great. Otherwise you're just a
company who moved to Vista for no reason at all, except that you have
something to brag about. That's "Wow" for YOU, no one else.

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[Frank]

On 6/5/2007 2:58 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard



So, I'm still not getting any answers. I had a simple list I asked for
and you ignored it. It was NOT company specific, but a logical list
that any CEO, owner, or decision maker would want when making decisions
on changing over to a new OS. You're trying to say that because your
company is SO different, you stand apart? Sorry, the same questions
could be used for any company.

And you could demand all you want for your "case studies", but it sounds
like you just made a sweeping decision regardless if there wasn't any
valid reasons to do it. Without answering any of my questions Frank,
you just wanted to boast about being on Vista. Big deal. I'm not
impressed. And I'm glad my clients aren't as haphazard as you appear to
be.

I WILL do what I want, by continuing to research and see if any of my
clients have a real need for an upgraded OS. As part of that, I tried
to ask you, but apparently you don't have any reasons except to gloat.
So I'm convinced there isn't any reason to upgrade an OS with the minor
changes that MS implemented into Vista. If you've got some concrete
reasons, with data to support it, great. Otherwise you're just a
company who moved to Vista for no reason at all, except that you have
something to brag about. That's "Wow" for YOU, no one else.

So I "gloat' and “boast” and that's the "WOW" factor?
That the best you can do?
Obviously you have some ulterior motives or hidden agenda for your
attitude under the guise of wanting our companies data (which is none of
your business, is it?).
I also detect a hint of Vista hatred in your attitude for whatever
reason and the implication is that you have no intentions of
recommending Vista to any of your clients.
Next I’ll be getting hate mail from you?
But let me make a suggestion…if you're real and have any real companies
that you’re an IT consultant for Microsoft will be more than happy to
supply you with factual documentation that will assist you in your Vista
presentation.
That’s what they did for us and after all, they’re the source!
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got an all Vista company to run.
Frank

 

[Richard Urban]

Please? What makes you think you even deserve answers? The man likes Vista.
His company has migrated to Vista. End of story.

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Quote from George Ankner:
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You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Terry R.]

On 6/5/2007 4:50 PM On a whim, Richard Urban pounded out on the keyboard

Please? What makes you think you even deserve answers? The man likes Vista.
His company has migrated to Vista. End of story.

If you are a civil human being, and Frank was also, an answer to a
question would be in order. But if he's not, I don't expect one.

You on the other hand, have added nothing, made incorrect statements
("it cost him nothing" to move to Vista), and don't have any say so in
"End of story".

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[Doris Day - MFB]

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On 6/5/2007 10:10 AM On a whim, Richard Urban pounded out on the keyboard


Richard,

Where do you find ANYWHERE that I sound upset? Please quote it! As a
consultant, I am always wanting to know how these decisions come about,
especially in a corporate environment.

If Frank could have provided ANY reasons for the decision, it would have
been something I would have used to bring to my clients.

For the love of God, please don't EVER listen to Frank when it comes to
recommendations on anything! Haven't you been reading his shit here? Surely
you aren't going to recommend his mutterings to any clients of yours that
you hope to keep. He's only been bragging about doing away with XP/VISTA
dualboots as part of his fanboy routine. And you noticed, that he left one
box still with dualboot, so he's still not 100% sure of his decision.

Love and Kisses,
Doris


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[Doris Day - MFB]

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Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got an all Vista company to run.
Frank

HAHAHAHA! Too Funny!!!! Bye, bye Frankie Boy ... off defragging your Vista
company's Sea Drives. What a busy, busy, CEO. So much defragging and so
little time. Such a busy "businessman". <snort>

Love and Kisses,
Doris


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[Terry R.]

On 6/5/2007 4:38 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard

So I "gloat' and “boast” and that's the "WOW" factor?
That the best you can do?
Obviously you have some ulterior motives or hidden agenda for your
attitude under the guise of wanting our companies data (which is none of
your business, is it?).
I also detect a hint of Vista hatred in your attitude for whatever
reason and the implication is that you have no intentions of
recommending Vista to any of your clients.
Next I’ll be getting hate mail from you?
But let me make a suggestion…if you're real and have any real companies
that you’re an IT consultant for Microsoft will be more than happy to
supply you with factual documentation that will assist you in your Vista
presentation.
That’s what they did for us and after all, they’re the source!
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got an all Vista company to run.
Frank

Sorry, but that's all the Wow you've provided, so it's really more "is
that all YOU can do?" You've not given ONE valid point on why your
company made the move to Vista. Just that you did it. No points, no Wow.

Now you're going way off about me wanting your "data". Maybe you should
go back and see what I asked for. Nothing personal. Just general
company info regarding HOW they (the company) came to the decisions that
necessitated the move to Vista, that anyone would offer IF they had it.
But you're in the defend mode now, so it's pointless to continue, and
it sounds like the decision was yours alone.

Hate mail at that fake address? Have to hide from everything, don't
you. Funny you have to move to Vista, but use an email client that's a
year outdated.

Trust me, I don't have any "Vista hatred". That's a typical comment
coming from someone trying to defend themselves. Moving clients to an
upgraded OS would mean nothing but increased revenue on our end. But I
don't push them into it just so we can make more money. You see, I care
about our clients and don't want them "blaming" (as you put it) us on
recommending something that isn't needed. Many companies do that, and
we're not one of them.

Thanks for boasting about your move to Vista without giving any reasons
behind the move and why it was necessary to be "XP no more". You didn't
have software that wouldn't run on XP, and you never mentioned hardware.
So it appears this was nothing more than a fanboy thread and I've
wasted my time thinking you would be able to give me some valid points
for the move as a businessman.

Frank moved his company to Vista...Wow

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[Alias]

On 6/5/2007 2:58 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard


So, I'm still not getting any answers.

And you never will. You will get insults only from Frankie Boy and a few
belches and a few snorts.

I had a simple list I asked for
and you ignored it.

Everyone act surprised.

It was NOT company specific, but a logical list
that any CEO, owner, or decision maker would want when making decisions
on changing over to a new OS. You're trying to say that because your
company is SO different, you stand apart? Sorry, the same questions
could be used for any company.
Agreed.


And you could demand all you want for your "case studies", but it sounds
like you just made a sweeping decision regardless if there wasn't any
valid reasons to do it. Without answering any of my questions Frank,
you just wanted to boast about being on Vista. Big deal. I'm not
impressed. And I'm glad my clients aren't as haphazard as you appear to
be.

I WILL do what I want, by continuing to research and see if any of my
clients have a real need for an upgraded OS. As part of that, I tried
to ask you, but apparently you don't have any reasons except to gloat.
So I'm convinced there isn't any reason to upgrade an OS with the minor
changes that MS implemented into Vista. If you've got some concrete
reasons, with data to support it, great. Otherwise you're just a
company who moved to Vista for no reason at all, except that you have
something to brag about. That's "Wow" for YOU, no one else.

He has no concrete reasons because there aren't any. That's why he keeps
stone walling you. It's very possible he's making it all up and is just
a retired old man with two computers.

Alias

 

[Alias]

On 6/5/2007 4:38 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard


Sorry, but that's all the Wow you've provided, so it's really more "is
that all YOU can do?" You've not given ONE valid point on why your
company made the move to Vista. Just that you did it. No points, no Wow.

Now you're going way off about me wanting your "data". Maybe you should
go back and see what I asked for. Nothing personal. Just general
company info regarding HOW they (the company) came to the decisions that
necessitated the move to Vista, that anyone would offer IF they had it.
But you're in the defend mode now, so it's pointless to continue, and
it sounds like the decision was yours alone.

Hate mail at that fake address? Have to hide from everything, don't
you. Funny you have to move to Vista, but use an email client that's a
year outdated.

Trust me, I don't have any "Vista hatred". That's a typical comment
coming from someone trying to defend themselves. Moving clients to an
upgraded OS would mean nothing but increased revenue on our end. But I
don't push them into it just so we can make more money. You see, I care
about our clients and don't want them "blaming" (as you put it) us on
recommending something that isn't needed. Many companies do that, and
we're not one of them.

Thanks for boasting about your move to Vista without giving any reasons
behind the move and why it was necessary to be "XP no more". You didn't
have software that wouldn't run on XP, and you never mentioned hardware.
So it appears this was nothing more than a fanboy thread and I've
wasted my time thinking you would be able to give me some valid points
for the move as a businessman.

Frank moved his company to Vista...Wow

He moved to Vista because he discovered two .wav files that went "belch"
and "snort".

Alias

 

[Terry R.]

On 6/5/2007 2:58 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard

So, I'm still not getting any answers.

And you never will. You will get insults only from Frankie Boy and a few
belches and a few snorts.

I had a simple list I asked for
and you ignored it.

Everyone act surprised.

It was NOT company specific, but a logical list
that any CEO, owner, or decision maker would want when making decisions
on changing over to a new OS. You're trying to say that because your
company is SO different, you stand apart? Sorry, the same questions
could be used for any company.
Agreed.

And you could demand all you want for your "case studies", but it sounds
like you just made a sweeping decision regardless if there wasn't any
valid reasons to do it. Without answering any of my questions Frank,
you just wanted to boast about being on Vista. Big deal. I'm not
impressed. And I'm glad my clients aren't as haphazard as you appear to
be.

I WILL do what I want, by continuing to research and see if any of my
clients have a real need for an upgraded OS. As part of that, I tried
to ask you, but apparently you don't have any reasons except to gloat.
So I'm convinced there isn't any reason to upgrade an OS with the minor
changes that MS implemented into Vista. If you've got some concrete
reasons, with data to support it, great. Otherwise you're just a
company who moved to Vista for no reason at all, except that you have
something to brag about. That's "Wow" for YOU, no one else.

He has no concrete reasons because there aren't any. That's why he keeps
stone walling you. It's very possible he's making it all up and is just
a retired old man with two computers.

Alias[/QUOTE]

Possibly. It seems if the "company" really had a plan in place to "move
forward", it would be documented and Frank would be willing to share it.
But since Frank can't give any reasons for the move, it would appear
to have been done on a whim, not a thought out plan.

I have some attorney friends that always want to be on the "cutting
edge". They go out and buy whatever is new so they can boast about it.
They know better than to call me now that they've jumped (not moved)
into Vista. At least they took my advice and backed up their drives
before the change, because it sounds like a couple of them are heading
back to XP, their patience running a little too thin.

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[Frank]

Terry R. wrote:


| Sorry, but that's all the Wow you've provided,


I'm supposed to provide you with "WoW"? Where did you get that stupid
idea from?

so it's really more "is

that all YOU can do?" You've not given ONE valid point on why your

company made the move to Vista.



Where did you get the idea from that I have to supply valid points to
you or anybody else about anything? Who do you think you are?

Thanks for boasting about your move to Vista without giving any

reasons behind the move and why it was necessary to be "XP no more".
You didn't have software that wouldn't run on XP, and you never
mentioned hardware. So it appears this was nothing more than a fanboy
thread


Ah...now the truth comes out...finally...the "fanboy" routine. That took
you long enough didn't it! You're an MS hating troll aren't you?


and I've wasted my time...

no, you've wasted my valuable time...

thinking you would be able to give me some valid points for the move as
a businessman.

I advised you to contact Microsoft directly. You do know how to do that
don't you? If you're a real IT you should have a direct line to MS.
That's the logical way the way all of the IT's I know do it. They don't
give a darn about how or why I did it. It has nothing to do with them
and their situation.

You're now coming across as a phony...a troll...certainly not a
"business man" or an IT.
Frank

 

[Frank]

Possibly. It seems if the "company" really had a plan in place to "move
forward", it would be documented and Frank would be willing to share it.

Show me your companies business plain, ok? You've got one right? Are you
an IT consultant for any large private companies? Show me their business
plans for future expansion, ok? Show me their financial projections
where they project future upgrade cost, etc., ok?

But since Frank can't

Now Frank won't (at least to you), not can't.

give any reasons for the move, it would appear to

have been done on a whim, not a thought out plan.

If you bother to read my original statement you might have seen where I
said we'd been using Vista RTM since December. The betas for over a
year. We just now, 6-7 months later, completed the change over. It took
time. It was not a "snap' decision. You missed that part huh? Pity,
You're now coming off as a complete fool...a troll ...like a dog without
a bone.

I have some attorney friends that always want to be on the "cutting
edge". They go out and buy whatever is new so they can boast about it.

Feeling jealous about your friends huh? Pity!

They know better than to call me now that they've jumped (not moved)
into Vista.

Oh...here's the real problem. You're not an IT. You're just the computer
repair man for some of your friends and family and Vista has got you
stumped.
Pity.

At least they took my advice and backed up their drives

before the change, because it sounds like a couple of them are heading
back to XP, their patience running a little too thin.

You don't really know your way around computers do you. And Vista got
the best of you. Poor planning on your part. Now your friends know the
truth!
Pity.
Frank