Windows Mail in Win7

[Gary VanderMolen]

It's not a big deal for me since I only use Windows Mail for
newsgroups.
[Running Windows 7 RTM]

Interesting. It seems that Live Mail really is suffering seriously if it
comes to NGs (AFAICS all of the mistakes from OE have been taken over
and OneNote the German NGs a bang on the head would be the regular
result when having posted with WLM unedited).

Just curious: What are you using for mail?

Windows Live Mail.
To be sure, it isn't ideal, but it had enough positives over WM to win me over.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Gary VanderMolen wrote:

It's not a big deal for me since I only use Windows Mail for
newsgroups.
[Running Windows 7 RTM]

Interesting. It seems that Live Mail really is suffering seriously
if it comes to NGs (AFAICS all of the mistakes from OE have been
taken over and in the German NGs a bang on the head would be
the regular result when having posted with WLM unedited).

Just curious: What are you using for mail?

Windows Live Mail.
To be sure, it isn't ideal, but it had enough positives over WM to
win me over.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.
I for one just want to have mail and news together in one program.

Thanks again
Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

I certainly won't be using WLM. I won't be updating all my computers
to Win7 and I still use OE most of the time and not WinMail.

Thanks for the reply.
I do not yet know if I will upgrade *all* of my systems to Win7.
But OE is no longer in use in my system as no XP system is left.

Regards
Rainald

 

[Steve Cochran]

Well, you can always install XP as a virtual machine and use OE that way.

BTW, after looking at things a bit, the changes in the registry updating
from Vista to Win7 are massive and the little attempt at restoration with
the reference you gave doesn't begin to fix those changes. WinMail and all
about it have been sucked out of the registry, so that I am surprised the
hack works at all.

steve

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Well, you can always install XP as a virtual machine and use OE that
way.

The new way Win7 offers does not work for because my processors do not
have the virtualization feature.
And running a classical "virtual machine" just for OE does not make too
much sense.

BTW, after looking at things a bit, the changes in the registry
updating from Vista to Win7 are massive and the little attempt at
restoration with the reference you gave doesn't begin to fix those
changes. WinMail and all about it have been sucked out of the
registry, so that I am surprised the hack works at all.

I did not test it myself, just reported what I had read in the source
specified.

Rainald

 

[Sam Hobbs]

And running a classical "virtual machine" just for OE does not make too
much sense.

I think Steve understands; he probably did not intend to be taken seriously.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

I think Steve understands; he probably did not intend to be taken
seriously.

I think he was talking seriously.

Rainald

 

[Steve Cochran]

No, I was very serious. Many people don't like Winmail and detest WLM. One
can run an XP machine in Win7 and use OE from the XP machine (or Win98 for
that matter) without fancy hardware. That way they can keep their current
stationery and other messaging capabilities that Microsoft removed in later
versions.

A number of people are already doing this in Vista.

steve

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

Are you talking about the virtual XP mode in Win7?
The thing is, there are serious limitations to doing that.
Only the Professional and Ultimate versions of Win7 support it,
so the average Home Premium user will be out of luck.
Also, the processor most support virtualization; many don't,
including the pretty decent Intel Core 2 Duo CPU in my laptop.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Are you talking about the virtual XP mode in Win7?

AFAICS he's having that in mind.

The thing is, there are serious limitations to doing that.
Only the Professional and Ultimate versions of Win7 support it,
so the average Home Premium user will be out of luck.

I'm not quite sure in so far about the "Home" editions.
"Enterprise" will have it too.

Also, the processor most support virtualization;
EXACTLY!!

many don't, including the pretty decent Intel Core 2
Duo CPU in my laptop.

The very same with *all* of my machines.
I for one won't buy a new computer just for gaining this feature.

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

No, I was very serious. Many people don't like Winmail and detest
WLM.

For me it's the latter.
But I for one *like* WinMail.
I had used OE since it first came up.
And for me WinMail was just a *slightly* improved version of OE.
The same shortcomings and hardly anything missing.

One can run an XP machine in Win7 and use OE from the XP
machine (or Win98 for that matter) without fancy hardware.
That way they can keep their current stationery and other
messaging capabilities that Microsoft removed in later versions.

Which capabilities might have been removed?
I'm sorry for asking, but since WinMail first appeared (1st Beta) I did
not miss anything I had used in OE before that.

What do you have in mind when talking of things lost?

A number of people are already doing this in Vista.

Honestly speaking: *WHY*?
I for one cannot see any reason for doing so.

Rainald

 

[Steve Cochran]

No I am not. I am talking using VPC with an XP machine installed. I'm not
talking "virtual XP mode in Win7". I'm talking about running VPC in Win7
with an XP machine installed.

No hardware virtualization. Just an XP Virtual machine. Just as one can
set up now in XP or Vista or Win98.

steve

Are you talking about the virtual XP mode in Win7?
The thing is, there are serious limitations to doing that.
Only the Professional and Ultimate versions of Win7 support it,
so the average Home Premium user will be out of luck.
Also, the processor most support virtualization; many don't,
including the pretty decent Intel Core 2 Duo CPU in my laptop.

 

[Steve Cochran]

There are a number of features missing from WinMail that XP had. See the
messages in this NG for instance about restoring the Contacts pane, which
can't be done and which was removed solely because MS was too lazy to
continue to support it.

steve

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

Understood; that's the older technology.
It probably is too complicated for the average user.

 

[Steve Cochran]

That's a very low opinion of the average user. I'm not sure the level of
questions in this NG reflect the "average" user.

steve

Understood; that's the older technology.
It probably is too complicated for the average user.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

There are a number of features missing from WinMail that XP had. See
the messages in this NG for instance about restoring the Contacts
pane, which can't be done and which was removed solely because MS was
too lazy to continue to support it.

Yes, there have been quite some postings in this feature.
But I for one - honestly speaking - never missed that. I hardly ever had
the "address"-pane switched on. Just too many "contacts" for this
feature to be usable for me.

What I really miss, however, is the possibility to use the Outlook data
instead of the WAB/Windows Contacts. But this feature of IE has been
killed by Outlook 2007 anyway so that it's no longer available in OE too
{siiiigh}.
I'm still after a piece of software fir synching the Outlook Contacts
with the Windows Contacts. My addresses being out of synch is an
obstacle which bothers me by the day and the hour {siiigh}.
If any if the alternative mail- and news-clients would offer synching
with Outlook Contacts I would most certainly let WinMail be a thing of
the past for me.

Apart from this major thing I would yet have to come across anything
being "better" in OE than in WinMail.

Rainald

 

[Sam Hobbs]

Steve Cochran wrote:

Apart from this major thing I would yet have to come across anything
being "better" in OE than in WinMail.

Excuse me for getting off-topic but one thing I miss is the persistence of
the username when the password is not saved for the account. If there is a
solution for this then I should create a new thread for that. In OE, I could
enter the username for an account but not check the checkbox for saving the
password. That way, I had to enter the password for each account each time
OE starts, and OE and Windows Mail (whichever is the one for the Windows I
am using) for me usually starts once a day. With Windows Mail, if I don't
store the password for each account then Windows Mail also asks me for the
user name, which is too much for me.

 

[Steve Cochran]

I did not write the line below. I was misquoted.

Excuse me for getting off-topic but one thing I miss is the persistence of
the username when the password is not saved for the account. If there is a
solution for this then I should create a new thread for that. In OE, I
could enter the username for an account but not check the checkbox for
saving the password. That way, I had to enter the password for each
account each time OE starts, and OE and Windows Mail (whichever is the one
for the Windows I am using) for me usually starts once a day. With Windows
Mail, if I don't store the password for each account then Windows Mail
also asks me for the user name, which is too much for me.

This is a bug that I reported during the beta of Vista and it was never
fixed. There are several other bugs that were introduced with WinMail (such
as the non-detection of in-page anchors in URLs -- also bugged many times
and not fixed even in Walmail), that were reported and never fixed by those
at MS. But that is a tradition that dates back 12 or more years.

steve


steve

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Excuse me for getting off-topic but one thing I miss is the
persistence of the username when the password is not saved for the
account. If there is a solution for this then I should create a new
thread for that. In OE, I could enter the username for an account but
not check the checkbox for saving the password. That way, I had to
enter the password for each account each time OE starts, and OE and
Windows Mail (whichever is the one for the Windows I am using) for me
usually starts once a day. With Windows Mail, if I don't store the
password for each account then Windows Mail also asks me for the user
name, which is too much for me.

I do not know any way to create the wanted behaviour.

But I never saw this as an obstacle.
I always store the mail-password and I do not see any reason why I
should not do that.
I always start WinMail after logging OneNote and hardly ever close it.
And it's easy enough to lock Windows when leaving the room.

Rainald

 

[Sam Hobbs]

I do not know any way to create the wanted behaviour.

But I never saw this as an obstacle.
I always store the mail-password and I do not see any reason why I
should not do that.
I always start WinMail after logging OneNote and hardly ever close it.
And it's easy enough to lock Windows when leaving the room.

Rainald

So you don't use software the way I do.

One good reason to enter passwords is so I can remember them. The "address
book" that I have used in the past for phone numbers used to work great for
me; I always had phone numbers in my head. If I wrote the phone numbers down
I would often have problems finding them. Yes, I know; I can always hide
passwords someplace, but keeping them in my head worked well for me. I am
not asking for a new feature; just that WinMail do what OE did. I also know
that email passwords are sent without encryption or anything such as that,
which makes the passwords easier to obtain than most people are aware of,
but I prefer to keep the passwords in my head anyway.