Windows Defender beta Check For Updates FAILS!!

Discussion in 'Anti-Spyware Installation' started by Guest, Mar 11, 2006.

  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one (and perhaps
    more than one) would expect that it may be used for something. like, working.
    today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like remember it
    was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i aim and hit
    the UPDATE button it displays error.
    "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message to like
    explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and perhaps more
    than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,


    like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via, something
    like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I, like use
    to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why this now.
    WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's product.
    Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like man.
     
    Guest, Mar 11, 2006
    #1
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  2. I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions aren't
    available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment, and wouldn't
    want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now time to
    plan what's needed to support the application when it is released.
    --

    "siemens" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one (and
    > perhaps
    > more than one) would expect that it may be used for something. like,
    > working.
    > today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like remember
    > it
    > was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i aim and hit
    > the UPDATE button it displays error.
    > "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    > Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message to like
    > explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and perhaps
    > more
    > than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    >
    >
    > like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via, something
    > like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I, like use
    > to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why this now.
    > WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's product.
    > Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like man.
    >
    >
    >
     
    Bill Sanderson, Mar 12, 2006
    #2
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  3. Guest

    plun Guest

    Hi

    Well, with a corporate name as Siemens which stand for quality
    I am also sure that Siemens IT dept can answer this and also
    make it clear what applications Siemens uses for client protection.

    I do not believe that Siemens corporate policies allows any users to
    decide this on their own. (as I knows from Siemens, Germany)

    regards
    plun

    > I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions aren't
    > available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment, and wouldn't
    > want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now time to plan
    > what's needed to support the application when it is released.
    > --
    >
    > "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one (and
    >> perhaps
    >> more than one) would expect that it may be used for something. like,
    >> working.
    >> today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like remember
    >> it
    >> was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i aim and hit
    >> the UPDATE button it displays error.
    >> "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    >> Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message to like
    >> explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and perhaps more
    >> than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    >>
    >>
    >> like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via, something
    >> like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I, like use
    >> to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why this now.
    >> WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's product.
    >> Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like man.
    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    plun, Mar 12, 2006
    #3
  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    we shall not use your product in future.....


    "Bill Sanderson" wrote:

    > I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions aren't
    > available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment, and wouldn't
    > want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now time to
    > plan what's needed to support the application when it is released.
    > --
    >
    > "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one (and
    > > perhaps
    > > more than one) would expect that it may be used for something. like,
    > > working.
    > > today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like remember
    > > it
    > > was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i aim and hit
    > > the UPDATE button it displays error.
    > > "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    > > Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message to like
    > > explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and perhaps
    > > more
    > > than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    > >
    > >
    > > like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via, something
    > > like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I, like use
    > > to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why this now.
    > > WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's product.
    > > Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like man.
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    >
     
    Guest, Mar 13, 2006
    #4
  5. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Hi,

    Well, with a corporate name as Plun which stand for quality
    I am also sure that Plun IT dept can answer this and also make it clear what
    applications Siemens uses for client protection.

    I do not believe that Plun corporate policies allows any users to decide
    this on their own. (as I knows from Plun, Ukraine)

    regards
    IBM
    "plun" wrote:

    > Hi
    >
    > Well, with a corporate name as Siemens which stand for quality
    > I am also sure that Siemens IT dept can answer this and also
    > make it clear what applications Siemens uses for client protection.
    >
    > I do not believe that Siemens corporate policies allows any users to
    > decide this on their own. (as I knows from Siemens, Germany)
    >
    > regards
    > plun
    >
    > > I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions aren't
    > > available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment, and wouldn't
    > > want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now time to plan
    > > what's needed to support the application when it is released.
    > > --
    > >
    > > "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > >> ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one (and
    > >> perhaps
    > >> more than one) would expect that it may be used for something. like,
    > >> working.
    > >> today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like remember
    > >> it
    > >> was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i aim and hit
    > >> the UPDATE button it displays error.
    > >> "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    > >> Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message to like
    > >> explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and perhaps more
    > >> than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via, something
    > >> like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I, like use
    > >> to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why this now.
    > >> WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's product.
    > >> Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like man.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
    Guest, Mar 13, 2006
    #5
  6. The ability to distribute the definitions via SUS was not a part of
    Microsoft Antispyware. Nothing was removed. Windows Defender definitions
    are available via WSUS, and via Windows Update.

    I'm sure that you are aware of this information:
    -------
    Microsoft will continue to support Software Update Services (SUS) 1.0 until
    December 6, 2006. Microsoft will no longer support SUS 1.0 after this date.
    SUS 1.0 will no longer synchronize or provide new updates after December 6,
    2006. Additionally, as of August 24, 2005, you can no longer download SUS
    from the Microsoft Web site. We recommend that you upgrade to Windows Server
    Update Services (WSUS) before December 6, 2006.

    ------


    --

    "siemens" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    > we shall not use your product in future.....
    >
    >
    > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    >
    >> I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions aren't
    >> available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment, and
    >> wouldn't
    >> want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now time to
    >> plan what's needed to support the application when it is released.
    >> --
    >>
    >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one (and
    >> > perhaps
    >> > more than one) would expect that it may be used for something. like,
    >> > working.
    >> > today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like
    >> > remember
    >> > it
    >> > was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i aim and
    >> > hit
    >> > the UPDATE button it displays error.
    >> > "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    >> > Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message to
    >> > like
    >> > explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and perhaps
    >> > more
    >> > than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via,
    >> > something
    >> > like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I, like
    >> > use
    >> > to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why this
    >> > now.
    >> > WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's
    >> > product.
    >> > Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like man.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    Bill Sanderson, Mar 13, 2006
    #6
  7. Nah--this is "absolut" nonsense. Plun is a Swedish corporation through and
    through.

    --

    "siemens" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi,
    >
    > Well, with a corporate name as Plun which stand for quality
    > I am also sure that Plun IT dept can answer this and also make it clear
    > what
    > applications Siemens uses for client protection.
    >
    > I do not believe that Plun corporate policies allows any users to decide
    > this on their own. (as I knows from Plun, Ukraine)
    >
    > regards
    > IBM
    > "plun" wrote:
    >
    >> Hi
    >>
    >> Well, with a corporate name as Siemens which stand for quality
    >> I am also sure that Siemens IT dept can answer this and also
    >> make it clear what applications Siemens uses for client protection.
    >>
    >> I do not believe that Siemens corporate policies allows any users to
    >> decide this on their own. (as I knows from Siemens, Germany)
    >>
    >> regards
    >> plun
    >>
    >> > I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions aren't
    >> > available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment, and
    >> > wouldn't
    >> > want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now time
    >> > to plan
    >> > what's needed to support the application when it is released.
    >> > --
    >> >
    >> > "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> > news:...
    >> >> ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one (and
    >> >> perhaps
    >> >> more than one) would expect that it may be used for something. like,
    >> >> working.
    >> >> today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like
    >> >> remember
    >> >> it
    >> >> was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i aim and
    >> >> hit
    >> >> the UPDATE button it displays error.
    >> >> "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    >> >> Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message to
    >> >> like
    >> >> explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and perhaps
    >> >> more
    >> >> than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via,
    >> >> something
    >> >> like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I, like
    >> >> use
    >> >> to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why this
    >> >> now.
    >> >> WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's
    >> >> product.
    >> >> Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like man.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    Bill Sanderson, Mar 13, 2006
    #7
  8. Guest

    plun Guest

    Hi

    Of course I am a corp ;) never run a Beta inside a corporate network
    is the first rule.......... ;)

    Maybe within a small group for a start.

    Block all users installs with GPOs ;) Every user file within a
    fileserver ;) Block C:

    Done :)

    regards
    plun


    > Nah--this is "absolut" nonsense. Plun is a Swedish corporation through and
    > through.
    >
    > --
    >
    > "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> Well, with a corporate name as Plun which stand for quality
    >> I am also sure that Plun IT dept can answer this and also make it clear
    >> what
    >> applications Siemens uses for client protection.
    >>
    >> I do not believe that Plun corporate policies allows any users to decide
    >> this on their own. (as I knows from Plun, Ukraine)
    >>
    >> regards
    >> IBM
    >> "plun" wrote:
    >>
    >>> Hi
    >>>
    >>> Well, with a corporate name as Siemens which stand for quality
    >>> I am also sure that Siemens IT dept can answer this and also
    >>> make it clear what applications Siemens uses for client protection.
    >>>
    >>> I do not believe that Siemens corporate policies allows any users to
    >>> decide this on their own. (as I knows from Siemens, Germany)
    >>>
    >>> regards
    >>> plun
    >>>
    >>> > I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions aren't
    >>> > available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment, and
    >>> wouldn't
    >>> > want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now time to
    >>> plan
    >>> > what's needed to support the application when it is released.
    >>> > --
    >>> >
    >>> > "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >>> > news:...
    >>> >> ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one (and
    >>> >> perhaps
    >>> >> more than one) would expect that it may be used for something. like,
    >>> >> working.
    >>> >> today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like
    >>> remember
    >>> >> it
    >>> >> was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i aim and
    >>> hit
    >>> >> the UPDATE button it displays error.
    >>> >> "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    >>> >> Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message to
    >>> like
    >>> >> explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and perhaps
    >>> more
    >>> >> than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    >>> >>
    >>> >>
    >>> >> like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via,
    >>> something
    >>> >> like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I, like
    >>> use
    >>> >> to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why this
    >>> now.
    >>> >> WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's
    >>> product.
    >>> >> Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like man.
    >>> >>
    >>> >>
    >>> >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
     
    plun, Mar 13, 2006
    #8
  9. Guest

    Guest Guest

    The ability to update the definitions from Microsoft Antispyware was removed.
    Is this not what this forum discussion is all about!
    so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    we shall not use your product in future.....


    "Bill Sanderson" wrote:

    > The ability to distribute the definitions via SUS was not a part of
    > Microsoft Antispyware. Nothing was removed. Windows Defender definitions
    > are available via WSUS, and via Windows Update.
    >
    > I'm sure that you are aware of this information:
    > -------
    > Microsoft will continue to support Software Update Services (SUS) 1.0 until
    > December 6, 2006. Microsoft will no longer support SUS 1.0 after this date.
    > SUS 1.0 will no longer synchronize or provide new updates after December 6,
    > 2006. Additionally, as of August 24, 2005, you can no longer download SUS
    > from the Microsoft Web site. We recommend that you upgrade to Windows Server
    > Update Services (WSUS) before December 6, 2006.
    >
    > ------
    >
    >
    > --
    >
    > "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    > > we shall not use your product in future.....
    > >
    > >
    > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    > >
    > >> I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions aren't
    > >> available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment, and
    > >> wouldn't
    > >> want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now time to
    > >> plan what's needed to support the application when it is released.
    > >> --
    > >>
    > >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >> > ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one (and
    > >> > perhaps
    > >> > more than one) would expect that it may be used for something. like,
    > >> > working.
    > >> > today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like
    > >> > remember
    > >> > it
    > >> > was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i aim and
    > >> > hit
    > >> > the UPDATE button it displays error.
    > >> > "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    > >> > Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message to
    > >> > like
    > >> > explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and perhaps
    > >> > more
    > >> > than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via,
    > >> > something
    > >> > like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I, like
    > >> > use
    > >> > to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why this
    > >> > now.
    > >> > WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's
    > >> > product.
    > >> > Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like man.
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
    Guest, Mar 16, 2006
    #9
  10. This is one of many reasons why beta software is clearly labelled as
    inappropriate for use in production.
    During a beta, many things about a program may change. In this case, the
    update method has changed between beta versions.

    --

    "siemens" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > The ability to update the definitions from Microsoft Antispyware was
    > removed.
    > Is this not what this forum discussion is all about!
    > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    > we shall not use your product in future.....
    >
    >
    > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    >
    >> The ability to distribute the definitions via SUS was not a part of
    >> Microsoft Antispyware. Nothing was removed. Windows Defender
    >> definitions
    >> are available via WSUS, and via Windows Update.
    >>
    >> I'm sure that you are aware of this information:
    >> -------
    >> Microsoft will continue to support Software Update Services (SUS) 1.0
    >> until
    >> December 6, 2006. Microsoft will no longer support SUS 1.0 after this
    >> date.
    >> SUS 1.0 will no longer synchronize or provide new updates after December
    >> 6,
    >> 2006. Additionally, as of August 24, 2005, you can no longer download SUS
    >> from the Microsoft Web site. We recommend that you upgrade to Windows
    >> Server
    >> Update Services (WSUS) before December 6, 2006.
    >>
    >> ------
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    >> > we shall not use your product in future.....
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions
    >> >> aren't
    >> >> available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment, and
    >> >> wouldn't
    >> >> want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now time
    >> >> to
    >> >> plan what's needed to support the application when it is released.
    >> >> --
    >> >>
    >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >> > ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one
    >> >> > (and
    >> >> > perhaps
    >> >> > more than one) would expect that it may be used for something. like,
    >> >> > working.
    >> >> > today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like
    >> >> > remember
    >> >> > it
    >> >> > was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i aim
    >> >> > and
    >> >> > hit
    >> >> > the UPDATE button it displays error.
    >> >> > "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    >> >> > Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message to
    >> >> > like
    >> >> > explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and
    >> >> > perhaps
    >> >> > more
    >> >> > than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> > like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via,
    >> >> > something
    >> >> > like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I,
    >> >> > like
    >> >> > use
    >> >> > to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why this
    >> >> > now.
    >> >> > WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's
    >> >> > product.
    >> >> > Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like
    >> >> > man.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    Bill Sanderson, Mar 16, 2006
    #10
  11. Guest

    Guest Guest

    "many things about a program may change." Thanks. And clearly it has.
    Please do not write "Nothing was removed." when its not factual correct.

    "Bill Sanderson" wrote:

    > This is one of many reasons why beta software is clearly labelled as
    > inappropriate for use in production.
    > During a beta, many things about a program may change. In this case, the
    > update method has changed between beta versions.
    >
    > --
    >
    > "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > The ability to update the definitions from Microsoft Antispyware was
    > > removed.
    > > Is this not what this forum discussion is all about!
    > > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    > > we shall not use your product in future.....
    > >
    > >
    > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    > >
    > >> The ability to distribute the definitions via SUS was not a part of
    > >> Microsoft Antispyware. Nothing was removed. Windows Defender
    > >> definitions
    > >> are available via WSUS, and via Windows Update.
    > >>
    > >> I'm sure that you are aware of this information:
    > >> -------
    > >> Microsoft will continue to support Software Update Services (SUS) 1.0
    > >> until
    > >> December 6, 2006. Microsoft will no longer support SUS 1.0 after this
    > >> date.
    > >> SUS 1.0 will no longer synchronize or provide new updates after December
    > >> 6,
    > >> 2006. Additionally, as of August 24, 2005, you can no longer download SUS
    > >> from the Microsoft Web site. We recommend that you upgrade to Windows
    > >> Server
    > >> Update Services (WSUS) before December 6, 2006.
    > >>
    > >> ------
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >>
    > >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >> > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    > >> > we shall not use your product in future.....
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions
    > >> >> aren't
    > >> >> available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment, and
    > >> >> wouldn't
    > >> >> want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now time
    > >> >> to
    > >> >> plan what's needed to support the application when it is released.
    > >> >> --
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:...
    > >> >> > ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one
    > >> >> > (and
    > >> >> > perhaps
    > >> >> > more than one) would expect that it may be used for something. like,
    > >> >> > working.
    > >> >> > today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like
    > >> >> > remember
    > >> >> > it
    > >> >> > was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i aim
    > >> >> > and
    > >> >> > hit
    > >> >> > the UPDATE button it displays error.
    > >> >> > "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    > >> >> > Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message to
    > >> >> > like
    > >> >> > explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and
    > >> >> > perhaps
    > >> >> > more
    > >> >> > than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via,
    > >> >> > something
    > >> >> > like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I,
    > >> >> > like
    > >> >> > use
    > >> >> > to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why this
    > >> >> > now.
    > >> >> > WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's
    > >> >> > product.
    > >> >> > Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like
    > >> >> > man.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
    Guest, Apr 2, 2006
    #11
  12. symantics, mr. siemens.

    microsoft Antispyware had a mechanism to update definitions.
    Windows Defender also has a mechansim--in fact, two slightly different
    mechanisms to update definitions.

    The ability to update definitions was not removed.
    Glad you're still with us.

    --

    "siemens" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "many things about a program may change." Thanks. And clearly it has.
    > Please do not write "Nothing was removed." when its not factual correct.
    >
    > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    >
    >> This is one of many reasons why beta software is clearly labelled as
    >> inappropriate for use in production.
    >> During a beta, many things about a program may change. In this case, the
    >> update method has changed between beta versions.
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > The ability to update the definitions from Microsoft Antispyware was
    >> > removed.
    >> > Is this not what this forum discussion is all about!
    >> > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    >> > we shall not use your product in future.....
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> The ability to distribute the definitions via SUS was not a part of
    >> >> Microsoft Antispyware. Nothing was removed. Windows Defender
    >> >> definitions
    >> >> are available via WSUS, and via Windows Update.
    >> >>
    >> >> I'm sure that you are aware of this information:
    >> >> -------
    >> >> Microsoft will continue to support Software Update Services (SUS) 1.0
    >> >> until
    >> >> December 6, 2006. Microsoft will no longer support SUS 1.0 after this
    >> >> date.
    >> >> SUS 1.0 will no longer synchronize or provide new updates after
    >> >> December
    >> >> 6,
    >> >> 2006. Additionally, as of August 24, 2005, you can no longer download
    >> >> SUS
    >> >> from the Microsoft Web site. We recommend that you upgrade to Windows
    >> >> Server
    >> >> Update Services (WSUS) before December 6, 2006.
    >> >>
    >> >> ------
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >>
    >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >> > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    >> >> > we shall not use your product in future.....
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions
    >> >> >> aren't
    >> >> >> available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment, and
    >> >> >> wouldn't
    >> >> >> want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now
    >> >> >> time
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> plan what's needed to support the application when it is released.
    >> >> >> --
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> >> >> news:...
    >> >> >> > ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one
    >> >> >> > (and
    >> >> >> > perhaps
    >> >> >> > more than one) would expect that it may be used for something.
    >> >> >> > like,
    >> >> >> > working.
    >> >> >> > today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like
    >> >> >> > remember
    >> >> >> > it
    >> >> >> > was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i
    >> >> >> > aim
    >> >> >> > and
    >> >> >> > hit
    >> >> >> > the UPDATE button it displays error.
    >> >> >> > "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    >> >> >> > Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message
    >> >> >> > to
    >> >> >> > like
    >> >> >> > explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and
    >> >> >> > perhaps
    >> >> >> > more
    >> >> >> > than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via,
    >> >> >> > something
    >> >> >> > like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I,
    >> >> >> > like
    >> >> >> > use
    >> >> >> > to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why
    >> >> >> > this
    >> >> >> > now.
    >> >> >> > WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's
    >> >> >> > product.
    >> >> >> > Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like
    >> >> >> > man.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    Bill Sanderson MVP, Apr 2, 2006
    #12
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Semantics, maybe not. the fact is that the feature / function / mechanism /
    thing work differently than before. so different that it is not useable
    anymore. whether it's a delta / beta product or not does not matter. my
    point is that something changed which makes the product not useable anymore.
    this may be a small thing, a large thing, or a changed mechanism. it does
    not really matter.

    the product is not useable anymore and thus I call this a REMOVAL of a
    feature / function / mechanism / thing. clearly something must have been
    "removed" or "changed" for it not to work anymore. and even the name of the
    product changed. maybe some code were removed or converted. whatever the
    case it is a different product, it works different and does not work for me
    (or other SUS users.....and there are more than a few). So please do not
    make statements like yours below.

    And its fine, believe me. I just don’t use your product anymore. And nor
    will I ever in future. It’s no issue for you to have customers switch....its
    no issue removing features either.....

    Its not semantics, it is stating the facts (or perhaps explaining the facts!)

    And its fine, believe me. I just don’t use the product anymore. And nor
    will I ever in future. It’s no issue loosing customers....its no issue
    removing features.....


    "Bill Sanderson MVP" wrote:

    > symantics, mr. siemens.
    >
    > microsoft Antispyware had a mechanism to update definitions.
    > Windows Defender also has a mechansim--in fact, two slightly different
    > mechanisms to update definitions.
    >
    > The ability to update definitions was not removed.
    > Glad you're still with us.
    >
    > --
    >
    > "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > "many things about a program may change." Thanks. And clearly it has.
    > > Please do not write "Nothing was removed." when its not factual correct.
    > >
    > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    > >
    > >> This is one of many reasons why beta software is clearly labelled as
    > >> inappropriate for use in production.
    > >> During a beta, many things about a program may change. In this case, the
    > >> update method has changed between beta versions.
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >>
    > >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >> > The ability to update the definitions from Microsoft Antispyware was
    > >> > removed.
    > >> > Is this not what this forum discussion is all about!
    > >> > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    > >> > we shall not use your product in future.....
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> The ability to distribute the definitions via SUS was not a part of
    > >> >> Microsoft Antispyware. Nothing was removed. Windows Defender
    > >> >> definitions
    > >> >> are available via WSUS, and via Windows Update.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> I'm sure that you are aware of this information:
    > >> >> -------
    > >> >> Microsoft will continue to support Software Update Services (SUS) 1.0
    > >> >> until
    > >> >> December 6, 2006. Microsoft will no longer support SUS 1.0 after this
    > >> >> date.
    > >> >> SUS 1.0 will no longer synchronize or provide new updates after
    > >> >> December
    > >> >> 6,
    > >> >> 2006. Additionally, as of August 24, 2005, you can no longer download
    > >> >> SUS
    > >> >> from the Microsoft Web site. We recommend that you upgrade to Windows
    > >> >> Server
    > >> >> Update Services (WSUS) before December 6, 2006.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> ------
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:...
    > >> >> > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    > >> >> > we shall not use your product in future.....
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >> I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions
    > >> >> >> aren't
    > >> >> >> available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment, and
    > >> >> >> wouldn't
    > >> >> >> want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now
    > >> >> >> time
    > >> >> >> to
    > >> >> >> plan what's needed to support the application when it is released.
    > >> >> >> --
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> news:...
    > >> >> >> > ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta, one
    > >> >> >> > (and
    > >> >> >> > perhaps
    > >> >> >> > more than one) would expect that it may be used for something.
    > >> >> >> > like,
    > >> >> >> > working.
    > >> >> >> > today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i like
    > >> >> >> > remember
    > >> >> >> > it
    > >> >> >> > was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i
    > >> >> >> > aim
    > >> >> >> > and
    > >> >> >> > hit
    > >> >> >> > the UPDATE button it displays error.
    > >> >> >> > "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    > >> >> >> > Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error message
    > >> >> >> > to
    > >> >> >> > like
    > >> >> >> > explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and
    > >> >> >> > perhaps
    > >> >> >> > more
    > >> >> >> > than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating via,
    > >> >> >> > something
    > >> >> >> > like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work? (I,
    > >> >> >> > like
    > >> >> >> > use
    > >> >> >> > to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why
    > >> >> >> > this
    > >> >> >> > now.
    > >> >> >> > WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your competitor's
    > >> >> >> > product.
    > >> >> >> > Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah like
    > >> >> >> > man.
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
    Guest, Apr 6, 2006
    #13
  14. I'm sure there are many SUS users. I hope that every organization using
    that product has a migration plan well under way by this time.

    I agree with you that beta2 is essentially a different product than beta1.
    It is intended to serve precisely the same need, and do that better than
    beta1 did, but it is different code, with different strengths, weaknesses,
    and underlying mechanisms. Beta testing can be a rocky road--sorry that
    this one lost you.
    --

    "siemens" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Semantics, maybe not. the fact is that the feature / function / mechanism
    > /
    > thing work differently than before. so different that it is not useable
    > anymore. whether it's a delta / beta product or not does not matter. my
    > point is that something changed which makes the product not useable
    > anymore.
    > this may be a small thing, a large thing, or a changed mechanism. it does
    > not really matter.
    >
    > the product is not useable anymore and thus I call this a REMOVAL of a
    > feature / function / mechanism / thing. clearly something must have been
    > "removed" or "changed" for it not to work anymore. and even the name of
    > the
    > product changed. maybe some code were removed or converted. whatever the
    > case it is a different product, it works different and does not work for
    > me
    > (or other SUS users.....and there are more than a few). So please do not
    > make statements like yours below.
    >
    > And its fine, believe me. I just don't use your product anymore. And nor
    > will I ever in future. It's no issue for you to have customers
    > switch....its
    > no issue removing features either.....
    >
    > Its not semantics, it is stating the facts (or perhaps explaining the
    > facts!)
    >
    > And its fine, believe me. I just don't use the product anymore. And nor
    > will I ever in future. It's no issue loosing customers....its no issue
    > removing features.....
    >
    >
    > "Bill Sanderson MVP" wrote:
    >
    >> symantics, mr. siemens.
    >>
    >> microsoft Antispyware had a mechanism to update definitions.
    >> Windows Defender also has a mechansim--in fact, two slightly different
    >> mechanisms to update definitions.
    >>
    >> The ability to update definitions was not removed.
    >> Glad you're still with us.
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > "many things about a program may change." Thanks. And clearly it has.
    >> > Please do not write "Nothing was removed." when its not factual
    >> > correct.
    >> >
    >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> This is one of many reasons why beta software is clearly labelled as
    >> >> inappropriate for use in production.
    >> >> During a beta, many things about a program may change. In this case,
    >> >> the
    >> >> update method has changed between beta versions.
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >>
    >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >> > The ability to update the definitions from Microsoft Antispyware was
    >> >> > removed.
    >> >> > Is this not what this forum discussion is all about!
    >> >> > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    >> >> > we shall not use your product in future.....
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> The ability to distribute the definitions via SUS was not a part of
    >> >> >> Microsoft Antispyware. Nothing was removed. Windows Defender
    >> >> >> definitions
    >> >> >> are available via WSUS, and via Windows Update.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> I'm sure that you are aware of this information:
    >> >> >> -------
    >> >> >> Microsoft will continue to support Software Update Services (SUS)
    >> >> >> 1.0
    >> >> >> until
    >> >> >> December 6, 2006. Microsoft will no longer support SUS 1.0 after
    >> >> >> this
    >> >> >> date.
    >> >> >> SUS 1.0 will no longer synchronize or provide new updates after
    >> >> >> December
    >> >> >> 6,
    >> >> >> 2006. Additionally, as of August 24, 2005, you can no longer
    >> >> >> download
    >> >> >> SUS
    >> >> >> from the Microsoft Web site. We recommend that you upgrade to
    >> >> >> Windows
    >> >> >> Server
    >> >> >> Update Services (WSUS) before December 6, 2006.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> ------
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> >> >> news:...
    >> >> >> > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    >> >> >> > we shall not use your product in future.....
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions
    >> >> >> >> aren't
    >> >> >> >> available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment,
    >> >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> >> wouldn't
    >> >> >> >> want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now
    >> >> >> >> time
    >> >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> >> plan what's needed to support the application when it is
    >> >> >> >> released.
    >> >> >> >> --
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >> news:...
    >> >> >> >> > ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta,
    >> >> >> >> > one
    >> >> >> >> > (and
    >> >> >> >> > perhaps
    >> >> >> >> > more than one) would expect that it may be used for something.
    >> >> >> >> > like,
    >> >> >> >> > working.
    >> >> >> >> > today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i
    >> >> >> >> > like
    >> >> >> >> > remember
    >> >> >> >> > it
    >> >> >> >> > was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i
    >> >> >> >> > aim
    >> >> >> >> > and
    >> >> >> >> > hit
    >> >> >> >> > the UPDATE button it displays error.
    >> >> >> >> > "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    >> >> >> >> > Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error
    >> >> >> >> > message
    >> >> >> >> > to
    >> >> >> >> > like
    >> >> >> >> > explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and
    >> >> >> >> > perhaps
    >> >> >> >> > more
    >> >> >> >> > than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> > like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating
    >> >> >> >> > via,
    >> >> >> >> > something
    >> >> >> >> > like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work?
    >> >> >> >> > (I,
    >> >> >> >> > like
    >> >> >> >> > use
    >> >> >> >> > to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why
    >> >> >> >> > this
    >> >> >> >> > now.
    >> >> >> >> > WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your
    >> >> >> >> > competitor's
    >> >> >> >> > product.
    >> >> >> >> > Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah
    >> >> >> >> > like
    >> >> >> >> > man.
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    Bill Sanderson MVP, Apr 7, 2006
    #14
  15. Guest

    Guest Guest

    agreed. Please do not write "Nothing was removed." when its not factual
    correct.

    ok?


    "Bill Sanderson MVP" wrote:

    > I'm sure there are many SUS users. I hope that every organization using
    > that product has a migration plan well under way by this time.
    >
    > I agree with you that beta2 is essentially a different product than beta1.
    > It is intended to serve precisely the same need, and do that better than
    > beta1 did, but it is different code, with different strengths, weaknesses,
    > and underlying mechanisms. Beta testing can be a rocky road--sorry that
    > this one lost you.
    > --
    >
    > "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Semantics, maybe not. the fact is that the feature / function / mechanism
    > > /
    > > thing work differently than before. so different that it is not useable
    > > anymore. whether it's a delta / beta product or not does not matter. my
    > > point is that something changed which makes the product not useable
    > > anymore.
    > > this may be a small thing, a large thing, or a changed mechanism. it does
    > > not really matter.
    > >
    > > the product is not useable anymore and thus I call this a REMOVAL of a
    > > feature / function / mechanism / thing. clearly something must have been
    > > "removed" or "changed" for it not to work anymore. and even the name of
    > > the
    > > product changed. maybe some code were removed or converted. whatever the
    > > case it is a different product, it works different and does not work for
    > > me
    > > (or other SUS users.....and there are more than a few). So please do not
    > > make statements like yours below.
    > >
    > > And its fine, believe me. I just don't use your product anymore. And nor
    > > will I ever in future. It's no issue for you to have customers
    > > switch....its
    > > no issue removing features either.....
    > >
    > > Its not semantics, it is stating the facts (or perhaps explaining the
    > > facts!)
    > >
    > > And its fine, believe me. I just don't use the product anymore. And nor
    > > will I ever in future. It's no issue loosing customers....its no issue
    > > removing features.....
    > >
    > >
    > > "Bill Sanderson MVP" wrote:
    > >
    > >> symantics, mr. siemens.
    > >>
    > >> microsoft Antispyware had a mechanism to update definitions.
    > >> Windows Defender also has a mechansim--in fact, two slightly different
    > >> mechanisms to update definitions.
    > >>
    > >> The ability to update definitions was not removed.
    > >> Glad you're still with us.
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >>
    > >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >> > "many things about a program may change." Thanks. And clearly it has.
    > >> > Please do not write "Nothing was removed." when its not factual
    > >> > correct.
    > >> >
    > >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> This is one of many reasons why beta software is clearly labelled as
    > >> >> inappropriate for use in production.
    > >> >> During a beta, many things about a program may change. In this case,
    > >> >> the
    > >> >> update method has changed between beta versions.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:...
    > >> >> > The ability to update the definitions from Microsoft Antispyware was
    > >> >> > removed.
    > >> >> > Is this not what this forum discussion is all about!
    > >> >> > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    > >> >> > we shall not use your product in future.....
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >> The ability to distribute the definitions via SUS was not a part of
    > >> >> >> Microsoft Antispyware. Nothing was removed. Windows Defender
    > >> >> >> definitions
    > >> >> >> are available via WSUS, and via Windows Update.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> I'm sure that you are aware of this information:
    > >> >> >> -------
    > >> >> >> Microsoft will continue to support Software Update Services (SUS)
    > >> >> >> 1.0
    > >> >> >> until
    > >> >> >> December 6, 2006. Microsoft will no longer support SUS 1.0 after
    > >> >> >> this
    > >> >> >> date.
    > >> >> >> SUS 1.0 will no longer synchronize or provide new updates after
    > >> >> >> December
    > >> >> >> 6,
    > >> >> >> 2006. Additionally, as of August 24, 2005, you can no longer
    > >> >> >> download
    > >> >> >> SUS
    > >> >> >> from the Microsoft Web site. We recommend that you upgrade to
    > >> >> >> Windows
    > >> >> >> Server
    > >> >> >> Update Services (WSUS) before December 6, 2006.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> ------
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> --
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> news:...
    > >> >> >> > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    > >> >> >> > we shall not use your product in future.....
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender definitions
    > >> >> >> >> aren't
    > >> >> >> >> available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment,
    > >> >> >> >> and
    > >> >> >> >> wouldn't
    > >> >> >> >> want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've now
    > >> >> >> >> time
    > >> >> >> >> to
    > >> >> >> >> plan what's needed to support the application when it is
    > >> >> >> >> released.
    > >> >> >> >> --
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> >> news:...
    > >> >> >> >> > ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a beta,
    > >> >> >> >> > one
    > >> >> >> >> > (and
    > >> >> >> >> > perhaps
    > >> >> >> >> > more than one) would expect that it may be used for something.
    > >> >> >> >> > like,
    > >> >> >> >> > working.
    > >> >> >> >> > today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i
    > >> >> >> >> > like
    > >> >> >> >> > remember
    > >> >> >> >> > it
    > >> >> >> >> > was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too, when i
    > >> >> >> >> > aim
    > >> >> >> >> > and
    > >> >> >> >> > hit
    > >> >> >> >> > the UPDATE button it displays error.
    > >> >> >> >> > "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    > >> >> >> >> > Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error
    > >> >> >> >> > message
    > >> >> >> >> > to
    > >> >> >> >> > like
    > >> >> >> >> > explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one (and
    > >> >> >> >> > perhaps
    > >> >> >> >> > more
    > >> >> >> >> > than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating
    > >> >> >> >> > via,
    > >> >> >> >> > something
    > >> >> >> >> > like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will work?
    > >> >> >> >> > (I,
    > >> >> >> >> > like
    > >> >> >> >> > use
    > >> >> >> >> > to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any issues......why
    > >> >> >> >> > this
    > >> >> >> >> > now.
    > >> >> >> >> > WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your
    > >> >> >> >> > competitor's
    > >> >> >> >> > product.
    > >> >> >> >> > Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah
    > >> >> >> >> > like
    > >> >> >> >> > man.
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >>
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    Guest, Apr 7, 2006
    #15
  16. I guess I can agree that the ability to update in your environment was
    removed. It isn't clear to me that this is not exactly what the corporate
    policy makers at Siemens prefer, however.
    --

    "siemens" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > agreed. Please do not write "Nothing was removed." when its not factual
    > correct.
    >
    > ok?
    >
    >
    > "Bill Sanderson MVP" wrote:
    >
    >> I'm sure there are many SUS users. I hope that every organization using
    >> that product has a migration plan well under way by this time.
    >>
    >> I agree with you that beta2 is essentially a different product than
    >> beta1.
    >> It is intended to serve precisely the same need, and do that better than
    >> beta1 did, but it is different code, with different strengths,
    >> weaknesses,
    >> and underlying mechanisms. Beta testing can be a rocky road--sorry that
    >> this one lost you.
    >> --
    >>
    >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > Semantics, maybe not. the fact is that the feature / function /
    >> > mechanism
    >> > /
    >> > thing work differently than before. so different that it is not
    >> > useable
    >> > anymore. whether it's a delta / beta product or not does not matter.
    >> > my
    >> > point is that something changed which makes the product not useable
    >> > anymore.
    >> > this may be a small thing, a large thing, or a changed mechanism. it
    >> > does
    >> > not really matter.
    >> >
    >> > the product is not useable anymore and thus I call this a REMOVAL of a
    >> > feature / function / mechanism / thing. clearly something must have
    >> > been
    >> > "removed" or "changed" for it not to work anymore. and even the name
    >> > of
    >> > the
    >> > product changed. maybe some code were removed or converted. whatever
    >> > the
    >> > case it is a different product, it works different and does not work
    >> > for
    >> > me
    >> > (or other SUS users.....and there are more than a few). So please do
    >> > not
    >> > make statements like yours below.
    >> >
    >> > And its fine, believe me. I just don't use your product anymore. And
    >> > nor
    >> > will I ever in future. It's no issue for you to have customers
    >> > switch....its
    >> > no issue removing features either.....
    >> >
    >> > Its not semantics, it is stating the facts (or perhaps explaining the
    >> > facts!)
    >> >
    >> > And its fine, believe me. I just don't use the product anymore. And
    >> > nor
    >> > will I ever in future. It's no issue loosing customers....its no issue
    >> > removing features.....
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Bill Sanderson MVP" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> symantics, mr. siemens.
    >> >>
    >> >> microsoft Antispyware had a mechanism to update definitions.
    >> >> Windows Defender also has a mechansim--in fact, two slightly different
    >> >> mechanisms to update definitions.
    >> >>
    >> >> The ability to update definitions was not removed.
    >> >> Glad you're still with us.
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >>
    >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >> > "many things about a program may change." Thanks. And clearly it
    >> >> > has.
    >> >> > Please do not write "Nothing was removed." when its not factual
    >> >> > correct.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> This is one of many reasons why beta software is clearly labelled
    >> >> >> as
    >> >> >> inappropriate for use in production.
    >> >> >> During a beta, many things about a program may change. In this
    >> >> >> case,
    >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> update method has changed between beta versions.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> >> >> news:...
    >> >> >> > The ability to update the definitions from Microsoft Antispyware
    >> >> >> > was
    >> >> >> > removed.
    >> >> >> > Is this not what this forum discussion is all about!
    >> >> >> > so basically you removed the feature with this new release......
    >> >> >> > we shall not use your product in future.....
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> The ability to distribute the definitions via SUS was not a part
    >> >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> >> Microsoft Antispyware. Nothing was removed. Windows Defender
    >> >> >> >> definitions
    >> >> >> >> are available via WSUS, and via Windows Update.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> I'm sure that you are aware of this information:
    >> >> >> >> -------
    >> >> >> >> Microsoft will continue to support Software Update Services
    >> >> >> >> (SUS)
    >> >> >> >> 1.0
    >> >> >> >> until
    >> >> >> >> December 6, 2006. Microsoft will no longer support SUS 1.0 after
    >> >> >> >> this
    >> >> >> >> date.
    >> >> >> >> SUS 1.0 will no longer synchronize or provide new updates after
    >> >> >> >> December
    >> >> >> >> 6,
    >> >> >> >> 2006. Additionally, as of August 24, 2005, you can no longer
    >> >> >> >> download
    >> >> >> >> SUS
    >> >> >> >> from the Microsoft Web site. We recommend that you upgrade to
    >> >> >> >> Windows
    >> >> >> >> Server
    >> >> >> >> Update Services (WSUS) before December 6, 2006.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> ------
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> --
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >> news:...
    >> >> >> >> > so basically you removed the feature with this new
    >> >> >> >> > release......
    >> >> >> >> > we shall not use your product in future.....
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> I believe this is already answered--Windows Defender
    >> >> >> >> >> definitions
    >> >> >> >> >> aren't
    >> >> >> >> >> available via SUS. Since you are in a corporate environment,
    >> >> >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> >> >> wouldn't
    >> >> >> >> >> want to be running beta code on production equipment, you've
    >> >> >> >> >> now
    >> >> >> >> >> time
    >> >> >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> >> >> plan what's needed to support the application when it is
    >> >> >> >> >> released.
    >> >> >> >> >> --
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> "siemens" <> wrote in
    >> >> >> >> >> message
    >> >> >> >> >> news:...
    >> >> >> >> >> > ok. like installed your product. knowing it's like a
    >> >> >> >> >> > beta,
    >> >> >> >> >> > one
    >> >> >> >> >> > (and
    >> >> >> >> >> > perhaps
    >> >> >> >> >> > more than one) would expect that it may be used for
    >> >> >> >> >> > something.
    >> >> >> >> >> > like,
    >> >> >> >> >> > working.
    >> >> >> >> >> > today like, thinking that your previous version worked. i
    >> >> >> >> >> > like
    >> >> >> >> >> > remember
    >> >> >> >> >> > it
    >> >> >> >> >> > was was from like giant co -- not so? today like too,
    >> >> >> >> >> > when i
    >> >> >> >> >> > aim
    >> >> >> >> >> > and
    >> >> >> >> >> > hit
    >> >> >> >> >> > the UPDATE button it displays error.
    >> >> >> >> >> > "the update fails with the error code 0x8024402c".
    >> >> >> >> >> > Can you please like ask the persone who coded this error
    >> >> >> >> >> > message
    >> >> >> >> >> > to
    >> >> >> >> >> > like
    >> >> >> >> >> > explain to me how he intends to explain this and help one
    >> >> >> >> >> > (and
    >> >> >> >> >> > perhaps
    >> >> >> >> >> > more
    >> >> >> >> >> > than one) to fix this.,,,,like yeah,
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> > like, my updates are provided via SUS. Individual updating
    >> >> >> >> >> > via,
    >> >> >> >> >> > something
    >> >> >> >> >> > like, Windows Update is NOT permitted. What else will
    >> >> >> >> >> > work?
    >> >> >> >> >> > (I,
    >> >> >> >> >> > like
    >> >> >> >> >> > use
    >> >> >> >> >> > to use Beta 1 = AntiSpyware, and never had any
    >> >> >> >> >> > issues......why
    >> >> >> >> >> > this
    >> >> >> >> >> > now.
    >> >> >> >> >> > WHY??) Unless you want me un-install and use your
    >> >> >> >> >> > competitor's
    >> >> >> >> >> > product.
    >> >> >> >> >> > Like many products are available. And like they work, yeah
    >> >> >> >> >> > like
    >> >> >> >> >> > man.
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    Bill Sanderson MVP, Apr 7, 2006
    #16
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