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[Justin]

Nope, 3. You forgot to add buggy MS WGA/SPP code.

Very true, as has already been discussed in this thread and does not need to
be brought up every single time. We're discussing what WGA is and is not
supposed to do (versus if it should be used at all). Nothing is supposed to
be buggy.

 

[Stephan Rose]

Fair enough. Verizon sucks


Well, we don't accept it. That's why we get ourselves on betas. Ok, let
me change that before a certain someone takes it out of context:

"I" don't accept it. That's why "I" get "myself" on betas. Even though I
know good and well that's how other people think having listened to many
different people.

Maybe what's seen is that most people are not capable of doing anything
about the consumer product on a shelf?

Actually yes they are quite capable of doing something about it. Not buying
it is a very effective solution.

I hope to find myself a spot on the SP1 beta. Mostly to follow up on the
bugs I know of that didn’t get fixed prior to RTM.

Good luck =)

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[Stephan Rose]

I don't know what kind of funky elevators you got over there but over here
we have sensors that detect when someone is in the way of the door as well
as micro switches at the tips that detect if they hit something.
Mechanically the doors can not open and close fast. They don't have the
capability.

Incorrect

I know what you are talking about...

Light curtain and nudge sensors....which are nothing but signals being sent
to the controller.

What the controller actually *does* with the signals...is another story!

Of course I am exaggerating a little bit. They do have the piss tested out
of them, all sorts of hardware failures simulated, and so on...and are
quite safe.

But that doesn't change the fact that in *theory* what I said is
possible...oh and it is US Elevators I am talking about seeing how I work
for an US Company. European codes are actually more strict than US codes =)

I think that is among the reasons why it is potentially possible that in the
future 2, if not even 3, CPUs may be required, just like it's done in cars.

See car electronics such as ABS, traction control, etc. require at least 2
if not even 3 CPUs running in parallel all of a different manufacturer.

2 CPUs are always doing the identical thing...and the 3rd watches the 2 to
make sure they *are* doing the same thing...

That way if any one of the 3 fails the system stops.

That type of stuff though, which is a royal pain in the ass, has not yet
caught up to the elevator world though.


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[Alias]

Fair enough. Verizon sucks


Well, we don't accept it. That's why we get ourselves on betas. Ok,
let me change that before a certain someone takes it out of context:

"I" don't accept it. That's why "I" get "myself" on betas. Even though
I know good and well that's how other people think having listened to
many different people.

Maybe what's seen is that most people are not capable of doing anything
about the consumer product on a shelf?

I hope to find myself a spot on the SP1 beta. Mostly to follow up on
the bugs I know of that didn’t get fixed prior to RTM.

You mean that Vista isn't ready for prime time and has BUGS? Sure it
isn't the third party vendors' fault? LOL!

Alias

 

[Alias]

You are talking in circles. That has nothing to do with my comment in
regards to your comment.

Your comment was to call.

No one is calling anyone a thief.

Everytime I activate or genuinize, I am being called a thief until I
prove otherwise.

Flame bait, nice try.



HAHAHAHA! Ok alias, I'll play your stupid little game.

Really? How strange. No problems with my 5 Vista machines at work. A
friend installed Vista and has no WGA problems either. You're little
"examples" do nothing to back up your mouth.

"I hope to find myself a spot on the SP1 beta. Mostly to follow up on
the bugs I know of that didn’t get fixed prior to RTM." - Justin

Oh alias... your exaggerations are priceless!

I guess you don't know what an analogy is.

Really? BUGS do not affect pirates? So everyone that STEALS Vista has
a perfect functioning machine with no problems?

The WPA/WGA bugs, of course, you moron.

You are quickly turning this into a joke.


Fact is that MS wants the paying customers to help them with their cat
and mouse game with the pirates. This is not right no matter how you try
to spin it.

It's a good thing you are no longer going to be a MS customer.

What gave you that idea? I am installing XP Pro this afternoon.

Alias

 

[Alias]

How does any of that justify your mouth? Are you jealous of MS?

Yaknow, I've been, in comparison to MS, poor all my life but I feel I am
one of the richest men in the world.

You have one thing right, MS made billions. Why do you think that is?

Piracy did it for them by enabling them to corner the market, of course.

Next you're going to tell us that Vista will bankrupt them?

It will be their last stand and, yes, their downfall. Once Vista is
really deployed, this newsgroup will get thousands and thousands of
posts a day.

You continue to fail to address the fact that the % of WGA problematic
people is TINY.

Your uninformed opinion.

Let me put it into numbers for you:

Please keep your fantasies to yourself.

2006 MS makes 1,000,000,000

WGA pisses off a few people so now

2007 MS makes 999,999,000 now add all the NEW customers and they make
1,500,000,000.

These numbers should make it pretty clear that MS is moving in the right
direction for THEM and the customers that continue to want their
product. Are the number real? No. However they move in the right
direction.

Holding your paying customers in disdain is a sure fired way to go out
of business.

Mark my words.

Alias

 

[Adam Albright]

That's fine. You feel bugs are unacceptable. I would stay away from most
consumer electronics then. They'll piss you off to.

Justin never tires of confirming what a dope he truly is. ;-)

 

[Adam Albright]

So? The bugs will get fixed. You say all this as if MS said, "HAHA! Deal
with it!"

Just because something has bugs, doesn't mean it should be dropped.
Otherwise there wouldn't be anything in these OSs.

You response to everything. Windows has bugs, so what...

 

[Justin]

Actually yes they are quite capable of doing something about it. Not
buying
it is a very effective solution.

I know Americans are well known for being frivolous but a "normal" person
doesn't buy what they do not want. For those that accidentally do, they
return it.

Good luck =)

Thanks!

 

[Justin]

You mean that Vista isn't ready for prime time and has BUGS? Sure it isn't
the third party vendors' fault? LOL!

Vista does not have any SHOW STOPPING bugs. You over exaggerate the fact
that something has bugs and turn it into not being prime time ready. Every
single disto of Linux has bugs. OSX has bugs. Windows has bugs.

As for third party vendor fault. It's not a fault. It's a waiting game.

 

[Justin]

Everytime I activate or genuinize, I am being called a thief until I prove
otherwise.

No you aren't. If that's you feel then you need help.

Really? How strange. No problems with my 5 Vista machines at work. A
friend installed Vista and has no WGA problems either. You're little
"examples" do nothing to back up your mouth.

"I hope to find myself a spot on the SP1 beta. Mostly to follow up on the
bugs I know of that didn’t get fixed prior to RTM." - Justin

Very good alias! You prove that you can follow along and pay attention.
Here's something else for you: Vista had ~500 bugs as of RTM. Are they
show stopping bugs? Nope.

You are trying to point out that because Vista has a bug(s) that's it’s not
prime time ready. Your argument is absurd.

Ubuntu is NOT prime time ready. It has bugs and my video card has no
support!

Oh alias... your exaggerations are priceless!

I guess you don't know what an analogy is.

I certainly do and your "face down" analogy was prime time drama queen
ready!

Really? BUGS do not affect pirates? So everyone that STEALS Vista has a
perfect functioning machine with no problems?

The WPA/WGA bugs, of course, you moron.

Ohhhh, "moron". How intelligent of you. Either way your exaggerations are
ridiculous.

Fact is that MS wants the paying customers to help them with their cat
and mouse game with the pirates. This is not right no matter how you try
to spin it.

It's a good thing you are no longer going to be a MS customer.

What gave you that idea? I am installing XP Pro this afternoon.

Your own keyboard. How many times is MS going to call you a thief before
you stop supporting them?

 

[Stephan Rose]

No you aren't. If that's you feel then you need help.



Very good alias! You prove that you can follow along and pay attention.
Here's something else for you: Vista had ~500 bugs as of RTM. Are they
show stopping bugs? Nope.

You are trying to point out that because Vista has a bug(s) that's it’s
not
prime time ready. Your argument is absurd.

Ubuntu is NOT prime time ready. It has bugs and my video card has no
support!

And what video card would that be? =)

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[Justin]

Piracy did it for them by enabling them to corner the market, of course.

That's has to be the most ignorant thing I've seen you say.

It will be their last stand and, yes, their downfall. Once Vista is really
deployed, this newsgroup will get thousands and thousands of posts a day.

No way.

Your uninformed opinion.

How is that an opinion? It's FACT. Of all these posts you continue to not
address that. Try again.

Holding your paying customers in disdain is a sure fired way to go out of
business.

Mark my words.

Here you again fail to address the norm.

There's nothing to mark. Even you will use Vista after the release of SP1.
Get your wallet ready!

 

[Justin]

And what video card would that be? =)

8800GTX. The live CD would not work at all. I guess there's a way to FORCE
it to work withn an installed system however the HUGE and LENGTHY document
you need to follow to get it to work was insane.

 

[Stephan Rose]

8800GTX. The live CD would not work at all. I guess there's a way to
FORCE it to work withn an installed system however the HUGE and LENGTHY
document you need to follow to get it to work was insane.

Did you try the 6.10 live CD? that one does seem to have an issue with newer
nVidia cards out of the box. Fixed in the upcoming release though IIRC.

You could use the 6.06 version (dapper)..install it...then upgrade it to
edgy...and you should be fine with the standard Vesa driver to get started.

Then after the upgrade, just download the nVidia driver from www.nvidia.com,
install it...and be happy.

Not lengthy at all =)



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[Justin]

Incorrect

I know what you are talking about...

Light curtain and nudge sensors....which are nothing but signals being
sent
to the controller.

Well, I'm by far not an expert on elevators but I know how mine works. The
"nudge" sensor (?), which for me, is a metal bar that runs the height of
both doors is a MECHANICAL switch that kills the drive to close the door.
Yes, it's up to the controller to open the doors however for a split second
there is no juice going to the door close drive. The controller senses this
problem and opens the doors. Even if the controller "WANTED" to keep
closing the door it can't. There's no power for it to while that bar is
depressed.

The only reason I know this functionality of my elevator is because it
broke. It's a "always on" form of protection and because it was no longer
on or able to function the doors would not close. It's also the first time
I got to see the inner set of doors closed with the outer set open. One of
those, "Ohhhhh, I get it", moments.

There are simply too many "backups" put in place. One I forgot to mention
is a resistance safety. If the doors are not able to "freely" close then
the controller will re-open. To test, wait for the doors to close and put
both palms of your hands on the outer part of the door and push inward.
With even a slight force the doors should open. With this however I see
your point, the controller is in charge.

Since you know a lot about it maybe you can answer a question for me.

We're told that when the doors start to open the elevator must be completely
stopped. Ours wasn't thus it failed inspection. So it got fixed. The part
I do not understand is since then I have always been aware of this. I've
been in MANY elevators where the doors are opening yet I see at least an
inch of movement between the elevator floor and the building floor. Granted
by the time even a 5 year old could fit through the door the movement has
stopped. Yet I see a brand new certificate posted inside. What's the real
story?

 

[Justin]

Did you try the 6.10 live CD? that one does seem to have an issue with
newer
nVidia cards out of the box. Fixed in the upcoming release though IIRC.

Yes 6.10

You could use the 6.06 version (dapper)..install it...then upgrade it to
edgy...and you should be fine with the standard Vesa driver to get
started.

Then after the upgrade, just download the nVidia driver from
www.nvidia.com,
install it...and be happy.

Not lengthy at all =)

Much more lengthy then any version of Windows ;p Plus, that's not was
described to me. I was given an 8+ page webpage to follow.

However do you see what you said? You just told me to use an older version
"XP" instead of the newer version "Vista" then gave me a "workaround". That
is alias's entire point to Vista not being prime time. Thus Ubuntu 6.10 is
not prime time, right? Wrong. A FIX needs to be made in an update
("upcoming release"). Why is that ok for Linux yet it's not ok for Windows?

 

[Stephan Rose]

Yes 6.10


Much more lengthy then any version of Windows ;p Plus, that's not was
described to me. I was given an 8+ page webpage to follow.

Well in any regard, 8+ webpage crap is total bullshit and most certainly
*not* needed. Matter of fact, you could even install 6.10 directly and
simply manually change the nv driver to vesa by editing the configuration
file (have to change 1 single keyword...just the driver name).

The 6.06 upgrade to 6.10 way is just a way of doing it without needing to
edit anything via the commandline.

However do you see what you said? You just told me to use an older
version
"XP" instead of the newer version "Vista" then gave me a "workaround".
That
is alias's entire point to Vista not being prime time. Thus Ubuntu 6.10
is
not prime time, right? Wrong. A FIX needs to be made in an update
("upcoming release"). Why is that ok for Linux yet it's not ok for
Windows?

I personally do consider the problem with the 6.10 issue a bug. The problem
basically boils down to this:

6.06 either is too old to detect the video card correctly or by default uses
the Vesa driver (not sure which).
6.10 correctly detects the video card but apparently the supplied driver has
a problem with that one (and newer) cards.

Something like that, even with windows, I consider relatively minor.
Actually more minor in ubuntu than with windows simply because the issue is
much easier to correct in ubuntu than it would be in windows.

The key things that bug me about Vista are its insane resource requirements
(for an OS anyway) and Microsoft's overall philosophy that I no longer
agree with and that I no longer consider it an OS I can rely on.

Most problems, in any OS..be it windows or ubuntu...if I can relatively
easily fix them and correct them..I don't mind them.

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[Stephan Rose]

Well, I'm by far not an expert on elevators but I know how mine works.
The "nudge" sensor (?), which for me, is a metal bar that runs the height
of both doors is a MECHANICAL switch that kills the drive to close the
door. Yes, it's up to the controller to open the doors however for a split
second
there is no juice going to the door close drive. The controller senses
this
problem and opens the doors. Even if the controller "WANTED" to keep
closing the door it can't. There's no power for it to while that bar is
depressed.

Depends on the design and the controller.

Yes there are some designs where the nudge sensor (your metal bar) acts as a
kill switch that cuts off the power to the drive. There also are others
however where this is not the case.

I know this because software I have written has parameters for the
controller on how it should behave when it gets the nudge signal. =) Been a
while since I last looked at it, but if I remember correctly...it was
basically just a speed setting for the motor. The motor was reduced to a
very very low speed but kept moving but at a rate slow enough that a person
could hold the door open if needed.

It also depends a lot on what city you live in! Different cities, counties,
states have vastly different rules and regulations. What is allowed in one
may be completely forbidden in another.

The only reason I know this functionality of my elevator is because it
broke. It's a "always on" form of protection and because it was no longer
on or able to function the doors would not close. It's also the first
time
I got to see the inner set of doors closed with the outer set open. One
of those, "Ohhhhh, I get it", moments.

There are simply too many "backups" put in place. One I forgot to mention
is a resistance safety. If the doors are not able to "freely" close then
the controller will re-open. To test, wait for the doors to close and put
both palms of your hands on the outer part of the door and push inward.
With even a slight force the doors should open. With this however I see
your point, the controller is in charge.

Yup. =)

Since you know a lot about it maybe you can answer a question for me.

We're told that when the doors start to open the elevator must be
completely
stopped. Ours wasn't thus it failed inspection. So it got fixed. The
part
I do not understand is since then I have always been aware of this. I've
been in MANY elevators where the doors are opening yet I see at least an
inch of movement between the elevator floor and the building floor.
Granted by the time even a 5 year old could fit through the door the
movement has
stopped. Yet I see a brand new certificate posted inside. What's the
real story?

Generally speaking yes it should no longer be moving and the cabin floor
should line up perfectly with the real floor.

But again...like I said above. Rules and regulations vary greatly between
home (essentially no rules there) and commercial and *where* the thing is
located. If you have two different cities within the same county they could
theoratically have totally different rules.

Yes...it's a huge mess...


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[Justin]

But again...like I said above. Rules and regulations vary greatly between
home (essentially no rules there) and commercial and *where* the thing is
located. If you have two different cities within the same county they
could
theoratically have totally different rules.

Yes...it's a huge mess...

That was funny, while reading your response I was thinking, "damn, what a
mess."

That certainly clears things up. City regulation? Totally nuts!