winchester 3000+ running badly

[Ed Light]

Sorry, let me see, if I understood you correctly:
If your power management is set to "Minimal Power Management" (and CnQ
is enabled in BIOS), then you should see CnQ working: CPU speed varies
with load. Right?
And what happens, if you set the power scheme to something different,
like "Always On", "Presentation", "Desktop"?

I am running W2k, there is a slightly different behaviour. After
installation of the AMD software, I get an additional register that
allows me to set CnQ directly to dynamic switching, or full speed.

greets, Michael

I wish I had that. I have Win XP sp2 (slipstreamed) and there is no setting
in the bios, but cnq is supported. I installed the amd driver and display
panel. There is no setting in those that I can find.

It may be that crystalcpuid can be used.
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[Ed Light]

Then CnQ is disabled and the CPU should run at full speed no matter what
the load is.

Actually I'm running a custom setting. I turned everything to "never" and
saved it as "Never".


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[LBJGH]

I agree with Ed, 2T will kill performance... have a look at this gif:
http://ca.geocities.com/[email protected]/mem.gif

 

[Highlandish]

Command Rate @ 2T instead of 1T and/or running the ram at lower MHz
then the CPU bus would slow it down, check all your settings?

Ed

it made a small difference, the 3dmark05 cpu test got the occasional 2fps
instead of the adamant 1fps that normally occurs.

I'm kinda looking for a bigger improvement. if I knew what setting was wrong
I'd be able to set it, however I am out of my league with this combo and I
don't know where else to look.

 

[Wes Newell]

below is a cpu-z dump. it all seems normal and is running on an asus
a8v-deluxe rev1 with a new install of xp-pro, I have 1gig pc3200 (2x512).

problem is that this machine is running worse than my old xp2800/nf7-s
system.

What do you mean by running worse? You need to be specific.

are there any tweaks or configuration settings that will improve this
other than overclocking? I have the latest asus-a8v files

It looks like you have the cpu running at default speed. So that shouldn't
be the problem.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
NameAMD Athlon 64 3000+ Code NameWinchester SpecificationAMD Athlon(tm)
64
Processor 3000+ Family / Model / SteppingF F 0 Extended Family / ModelF
1F Brand ID4 PackageSocket 939 Core SteppingDH8-D0 Technology0.09 µ
Supported Instructions SetsMMX, Extended MMX, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!,
SSE, SSE2, x86-64 CPU Clock Speed1802.3 MHz Clock multiplierx 9.0 HTT
Bus Frequency200.3 MHz L1 Data Cache64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64
Bytes line size L1 Instruction Cache64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64
Bytes line size L2 Cache512 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64 Bytes
line size L2 Speed1802.3 MHz (Full) L2 LocationOn Chip L2 Data Prefetch
Logicyes L2 Bus Width128 bits
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Are you sure you have the ram running dual channel?

The very first thing I'd do with this setup is to lower the base ram speed
to 133MHz, lower the HT link to 3 or 4, raise vcore by .1v, and then set
the system bus (fsb) to 266. Now you've got a 3800+ instead of a 3000+.
Your ram is back to 200MHz, and the HT link is either 3x266, or 4x266
depending on which worked (4 should).

Can't tell you why it seems slower than your old XP 2800+ because you
don't say specifically what part of it is slower. But the above will at
least speed up the cpu.

 

[Highlandish]

Are you sure you have the ram running dual channel?

The very first thing I'd do with this setup is to lower the base ram
speed to 133MHz, lower the HT link to 3 or 4, raise vcore by .1v, and
then set the system bus (fsb) to 266. Now you've got a 3800+ instead
of a 3000+. Your ram is back to 200MHz, and the HT link is either
3x266, or 4x266 depending on which worked (4 should).

Can't tell you why it seems slower than your old XP 2800+ because you
don't say specifically what part of it is slower. But the above will
at least speed up the cpu.

my 2800+ 3dmark score was 6500, and my 64-3000 score is 2500. I'm pretty
sure it is the computer, not my GPU that is holding the score low, cpu fps
is kept at 1fps while gpu scores are 15fps, last I saw the ram was detected
at dual channel BTW.

I will try out the above OC recommendation. at least this A8V deluxe board
cant be killed, it resets to default when over-tampered with

 

[General Schvantzkoph]

The quickest way to find out if you are running single channel or dual
channel is to reboot the system and watch the messages from the BIOS, it
will tell you if you are running single or dual channel. I have a new
Compaq system which uses the MSI K8N Neo2 motherboard. Compaq populated
the DIMMs slots incorrectly on my system so that it was running single
channel instead of dual channel. I discovered it when I plugged in
additional memory. The new DIMMs are larger than the ones that came with
the system, when I plugged them into the free sockets my system wouldn't
boot because the DIMM pairs weren't matched. Upon close examination of the
motherboard documentation I realized that Compaq had plugged two DIMMs
into the same memory channels and left the other channel unpopulated.

 

[LBJGH]

Even at the default speed the a64 should smoke the 2800+. Was that
3dmark2001/2003/2005?

3dmark 2003/2005 are GPU limited while 2001 is directly affected by the cpu.
Can you post comparison links from the futuremark.com website?

 

[Highlandish]

Are you sure you have the ram running dual channel?

The very first thing I'd do with this setup is to lower the base ram
speed to 133MHz, lower the HT link to 3 or 4, raise vcore by .1v, and
then set the system bus (fsb) to 266. Now you've got a 3800+ instead
of a 3000+. Your ram is back to 200MHz, and the HT link is either
3x266, or 4x266 depending on which worked (4 should).

Can't tell you why it seems slower than your old XP 2800+ because you
don't say specifically what part of it is slower. But the above will
at least speed up the cpu.

now I do know I have dual channel ram running at 128bit.

I am having difficulty discovering how to set the dram speed to 133, of the
ratios available to select, 3/2 gets me the lowest to 150mhz, but nothing
allows me to manually set a ratio close to 133mhz. am I missing something?

 

[Highlandish]

Even at the default speed the a64 should smoke the 2800+. Was that
3dmark2001/2003/2005?

3dmark 2003/2005 are GPU limited while 2001 is directly affected by
the cpu. Can you post comparison links from the futuremark.com
website?

I don't have a registered copy of 3dmark, so I cant use the ORB facility

the 2800+ was benchmarked on 3dmark03, and the 3000+ was benchmarked on
3dmark05. I cant post further comparisons as lightning killed my 2800+
system, hence my upgrade. I know it shouldn't matter about clock speed, but
the 2800+ was a 2.1ghz (oc'ed to 2.2), while the 64-3000+ is at 1.8ghz

 

[Dave]

I don't have a registered copy of 3dmark, so I cant use the ORB facility

the 2800+ was benchmarked on 3dmark03, and the 3000+ was benchmarked on
3dmark05. I cant post further comparisons as lightning killed my 2800+
system, hence my upgrade. I know it shouldn't matter about clock speed,
but
the 2800+ was a 2.1ghz (oc'ed to 2.2), while the 64-3000+ is at 1.8ghz

There is your problem. The two different versions give different benchmark
figures, even when used on the same computer. You can't compare the figures
used on one computer with a different version on a different computer.

Dave

 

[Wes Newell]

I am having difficulty discovering how to set the dram speed to 133, of the
ratios available to select, 3/2 gets me the lowest to 150mhz, but nothing
allows me to manually set a ratio close to 133mhz. am I missing something?

Advanced->CPU Configuration->Mempry Configuration->etc.

 

[Highlandish]

Advanced->CPU Configuration->Mempry Configuration->etc.

yuhuh, there isn't a ratio selection to go to 133mhz, it goes 150, 200, 233,
266, 333, 400

 

[Ed Light]

3dmark 5 gives much lower scores than 3dmark 3.

With my 64 bit 3200+ at 2450 it gives me 1 fps in the cpu balloon test.
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[Ed Light]

yuhuh, there isn't a ratio selection to go to 133mhz, it goes 150, 200,
233, 266, 333, 400

ok, the 133 speed = 266 ddr.
166 = 333
200 = 400
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[Wes Newell]

yuhuh, there isn't a ratio selection to go to 133mhz, it goes 150, 200, 233,
266, 333, 400

Makes me so f*cking mad I'd like to strangle the f*cking morons that
wrote the bios. These aren't valid clock speeds, but the bogus DDR rates,
or at least that what they appear to be, but who the f*ck knows anymore.
Best guess since I don't have the board is that the 266 setting is really
133MHz. Just really strange to even see a 150 setting there, which would
be 75MHz. Tell you what, email Asus (or whoever this manufacutere is) and
tell them you hace PC2700 ram and want to know how to manually set the
clock speed for the max it supports which is 166MHz and see wtf they say..
When they tell you to set it to 333, ask them then why in the hell didn't
they put 166 in bios instead of 333.

See The Real Front Side Bus in one of the links below. Looks like they're
moving their bs crap to ram settings now.

 

[Highlandish]

Makes me so f*cking mad I'd like to strangle the f*cking morons that
wrote the bios. These aren't valid clock speeds, but the bogus DDR
rates, or at least that what they appear to be, but who the f*ck
knows anymore. Best guess since I don't have the board is that the
266 setting is really 133MHz. Just really strange to even see a 150
setting there, which would be 75MHz. Tell you what, email Asus (or
whoever this manufacutere is) and tell them you hace PC2700 ram and
want to know how to manually set the clock speed for the max it
supports which is 166MHz and see wtf they say.. When they tell you to
set it to 333, ask them then why in the hell didn't they put 166 in
bios instead of 333.

See The Real Front Side Bus in one of the links below. Looks like
they're moving their bs crap to ram settings now.

thanks for the heads up

 

[Highlandish]

ok, the 133 speed = 266 ddr.
166 = 333
200 = 400

excellent, now I have a starting point, I wasn't going to go ahead until I
was clear, especially with this sort of set-up.

 

[Highlandish]

Makes me so f*cking mad I'd like to strangle the f*cking morons that
wrote the bios. These aren't valid clock speeds, but the bogus DDR
rates, or at least that what they appear to be, but who the f*ck
knows anymore. Best guess since I don't have the board is that the
266 setting is really 133MHz. Just really strange to even see a 150
setting there, which would be 75MHz. Tell you what, email Asus (or
whoever this manufacutere is) and tell them you hace PC2700 ram and
want to know how to manually set the clock speed for the max it
supports which is 166MHz and see wtf they say.. When they tell you to
set it to 333, ask them then why in the hell didn't they put 166 in
bios instead of 333.

See The Real Front Side Bus in one of the links below. Looks like
they're moving their bs crap to ram settings now.

next question (I'm sounding kinda dumb now), when you say lower the HT link
to 3 or 4, do you mean 300 or 400mhz instead of the current 1000mhz?

 

[Ed Light]

next question (I'm sounding kinda dumb now), when you say lower the HT
link to 3 or 4, do you mean 300 or 400mhz instead of the current 1000mhz?

In case Wes is asleep,

You'll find a hypertrasport ratio setting as 5x, 4x, 3x...

So, if your clock is the stock 200mhz and your ratio is the stock 5x, you
get a 1000mhz hypertransport bus.

But, when you start raising the clock it raises the bus, which shouldn't go
over 1000, so you reduce the ratio. At 4x, it will not reach 1000 again
until the clock is at 250. To go higher on the clock, you'd go to 3x.
Apparently the slower hypertransport doesn't hurt performance.

I just did my 2nd cpu overclocking, on my A64 Winchester, and I feel so
clever! It's just at a clock of 245 with memory set to 133 and
hypertransport at 4x, pci and agp locked at 33 and 66.

So, the cpu, having a 10x multiplier (locked above that), is at 2450 and
hypertransport is at 980, and the memory is at (245/200) x 133 = 163, and
it's pc2700 memory meant for 166. So everything's ok. It ran prime95 for 10
hours at 1.5 volts, but at the default volts it got errors early on, in the
first round.

I loaded AMD's cool'n'quiet driver and it said it was varying between 1.1
and 1.4 volts. But I know that if it ran hard at 1.4 volts it wouldn't make
it through a round of prime95, and it does. I tried uninstalling the
cool'n'quiet and tried prime95 at 1.4 volts, and it got errors quickly. So I
would say that the cool'n'quiet display panel is wrong.

Nice to turn a 3200+ into a 3800+.
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