Why can't I buy Vista?

[Bob]

No, she faked her death to get away from you.

Hum...that would be kind of hard seeing as how she's long since past away.
But if you say so then it must be true!

 

[Bob]

What if my source told me this AFTER I went to staples?

 

[MICHAEL]

The retail market for Windows - that is, the going into Staples to buy a copy off a shelf
(which is the basis for your thread) actually represents a tiny proportion of the sales for
Microsoft.

That's true, but retail does matter, especially in the first year.
Microsoft does care and does make a big deal out of
retail launch. I remember the press releases about
retail sales figures for XP, and how Microsoft proudly
touted those first year numbers. Of course, others
said they weren't impressive.

Also, I believe Microsoft makes a heck of a lot more
per retail unit than they do when selling to the likes
of Dell or HP.

For the first few years, retail sales represented about
10% of XP's overall sales- that's not a tiny amount.
I don't care what you say. 10% of millions is not "tiny".
Just doing a quick Google, Microsoft sold over 650,000
copies of XP at retail in the first two months.
Retail sales may be very tiny at this point of XP's life,
but at the beginning- retail sales do matter, it helps
set the tone.


-Michael

 

[Mike Brannigan]

That's true, but retail does matter, especially in the first year.
Microsoft does care and does make a big deal out of
retail launch. I remember the press releases about
retail sales figures for XP, and how Microsoft proudly
touted those first year numbers. Of course, others
said they weren't impressive.

Also, I believe Microsoft makes a heck of a lot more
per retail unit than they do when selling to the likes
of Dell or HP.

For the first few years, retail sales represented about
10% of XP's overall sales- that's not a tiny amount.
I don't care what you say. 10% of millions is not "tiny".
Just doing a quick Google, Microsoft sold over 650,000
copies of XP at retail in the first two months.
Retail sales may be very tiny at this point of XP's life,
but at the beginning- retail sales do matter, it helps
set the tone.


-Michael

10% = one tenth
That is the point of percentages - the actual volume you are dealing
with is not relevant.
10% or billions or 10% of 100 - the fact remain it represents only one
tenth of the units, given that the remainder is 90% or nine tenths -
personally I would say that 10% or anything vs. the remaining 90% -
that 10 % is just that, nine time less or a very small proportion of
the whole.

The Retail launch is important as it drives awareness for the majority
of purchases from consumers which are actually by buying PCs from OEMs
preinstalled with Windows. The actual over the shelf sales from the
likes of Staples is extremely small when you look at business plus
OEM.
While the over counter sales may be more profitable - in terms of
absolute profit due to volume it is almost inconsequential, but the
brand/product awareness they create is more valuable.

 

[Robert Blacher]

You typed:

I seriously doubt you would be able to comprehend the benefits MS will see
by having businesses deploy Vista before it's retail launch. So I wont
even bother.

That slap was (rightly) directed at our new little newsgroup "troll"
(e-mail address removed) etc., but ....

I do understand the idea of letting IT departments at volume licensees have
access to Vista ASAP. But, haven't they had access all along? Just to pick
a company at random -- really! -- don't you assume General Electric had
*somebody* in the beta group? (lol) Or has at least 1 MSDN or TechNet
subscription? Or, was hand delivered the RTM over a $500 dinner by a MSFT
rep in Bridgeport, CT (if that is possible -- spending that much in
Bridgeport, CT for dinner, I mean)? Or, had 5 people flown to Redmond, WA
the week before the NY rollout event?

You've long since gotten my point, yes?


Somewhere along the line, MSFT *may* have forgotten that it's the "early
adopter" geek who, after installing an op sys on his/her computer at home
and fiddling for a while, goes to the IT Dept, of which he is *not* a
member, and says:

"Hey, have you folks tried this? It's "kewl" and you can only do it under
Vista. We need that capability. How about starting the evaluation process
now or getting it into high gear?"

P.S. One Fortune 500 company with which I am familiar "upgraded" from Word
97 to Word 2003 6 months ago! Getting Vista deployed will *not* be fast and
the early adopters are often the opinion movers and shakers who make it
happen.

Off soapbox. TY for listening :-}

 

[Mike]

Hi Robert. Mob mentality takes over in this group when anyone says
something the MS disciples don't want to hear. There are a few of us
skeptics

You misspelled "trolls".

Mike

 

[Troy McClure]

LOL... you dont want it, yet you complain staples didnt have it.
your source at MS tells you it will be delayed again, yet you still go to
staples looking for something you dont want... then complain when you cant
get it... you are a true retard

 

[Justin]

I said DEPLOY, not PLAY WITH. No one in their right mind would DEPLOY a
beta to their business. The benefit comes from businesses ACTUALLY USING
the OS in real world business processes.

So to answer your question directly, NO.

Like I said, no comprehension "what-so-ever".

 

[Justin]

Semantics. I say, so what?

All these numbers mean squat. When you walk into Best Buy or Circuit City
do you ask the salesmen how many units of this product has sold nation wide
before you buy it? No! You buy it because you want it and/or you buy it
because the salesman hooked you into buying it.

So let's look at this 10%. How many people of that 10% actually give a crap
about how well it's selling before they buy it? 1% of the 10%? Purchases
are made based on ADs and reviews. Both of which will rock.

So like Mike said, your 10% is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Justin]

Until Jan 30th roles around, how is anything you say FACT? Even if your
source was 100% correct in his/her thinking (of which you are your own
source), nothing is FACT until the time has pasted.

Changes the words malicious rumors to facts and your statement is almost
correct.

 

[Justin]

Now we can add:

"Check the facts of law moron."

 

[Justin]

Really? I did not know that! Her non existent twin must have been in the
coffin I walked to grave site.

Thanks for clearing that up for me! Also, for proving what a complete and
utter waste of time you are. So sad...

 

[Justin]

Then we would say how stupid you where for not asking before making the
trip. If I had a magical MS source I would have asked prior to wasting our
Earth's resources in fuel to get down to Staples. Especialy seeing as how
you HATE Vista.

Don't even bother saying you walked. Learn to recognize sarcasm.

 

[MICHAEL]

If you goobers would stop letting the pudden-head
reel you in, "we" wouldn't have to say anything to
it. Stop replying to the ignoramus, and "we" won't see
its nescient blathering.


-Michael

 

[Daze N. Knights]

Heh. I had to look up "nescient," and then even add it to my
spell-checker's dictionary . . .

Definitions of nescient on the Web:

holding that only material phenomena can be known and knowledge of
spiritual matters or ultimate causes is impossible

ignorant: uneducated in general; lacking knowledge or sophistication;
"an ignorant man"; "nescient of contemporary literature";
"an unlearned group incapable of understanding complex issues";
"exhibiting contempt for his unlettered companions"

 

[MICHAEL]

Who in hades are you blabbering to?


-Michael

Semantics. I say, so what?

All these numbers mean squat. When you walk into Best Buy or Circuit City
do you ask the salesmen how many units of this product has sold nation wide
before you buy it? No! You buy it because you want it and/or you buy it
because the salesman hooked you into buying it.

So let's look at this 10%. How many people of that 10% actually give a crap
about how well it's selling before they buy it? 1% of the 10%? Purchases
are made based on ADs and reviews. Both of which will rock.

So like Mike said, your 10% is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

You misspelled "trolls".

Mike

You are right Mike, pardon me:

Hi Robert. Mob mentality takes over in this group when anyone says
something the MS TROLLS don't want to hear. There are a few of us
skeptics...


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[Alias]

You are right Mike, pardon me:

Hi Robert. Mob mentality takes over in this group when anyone says
something the MS TROLLS don't want to hear. There are a few of us
skeptics...

Giggle.

Alias

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User]

You have no proof, therefore what you say is unfounded and as such remains
malicious rumor..

Changes the words malicious rumors to facts and your statement is almost
correct.

 

[Justin]

Your inability to figure that out explains your previous post.



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