What's wrong with Microsoft

D

Dan

Exactly, Gary. Don't worry your head about it. Just see my comment to
Rodney. Have an awesome day!

: Huh?
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: : > That's very reassuringly American.
: > feed them information, with a good dose of fear.
: > Michael Moore, how right you are.
: >
: >
: > | Win98, 98SE and ME *are* dead, at least in so far as being a modern
: > | convenience. Sure, you can lock your 9x system away from the
: internet
: > | and run obsolete programs--same way MS-DOS and Win95 are still used.
: But
: > | that's *all* you'll be able to decently do with it by the time this
: year
: > | has closed.
: >
: >
: >
:
 
D

Dan

Thanks for the web-link Kelly. Keep up the good work and keep on trucking.
(LOL!!) :> <vbg>

: http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/
:
: --
: All the Best,
: Kelly (MS-MVP)
:
: Troubleshooting Windows XP
: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
:
:
: : > Huh?
: >
: > --
: > Gary S. Terhune
: > MS MVP Shell/User
: > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
: >
: > : >> That's very reassuringly American.
: >> feed them information, with a good dose of fear.
: >> Michael Moore, how right you are.
: >>
: >>
: >> | Win98, 98SE and ME *are* dead, at least in so far as being a modern
: >> | convenience. Sure, you can lock your 9x system away from the
: > internet
: >> | and run obsolete programs--same way MS-DOS and Win95 are still used.
: > But
: >> | that's *all* you'll be able to decently do with it by the time this
: > year
: >> | has closed.
: >>
: >>
: >>
: >
:
:
 
D

Dan

"Learn to think before you talk, that'll help." That is a lesson that I am
learning everyday. Have a great day!


:
: >
:
: >>>
: >>
: >>>> "Clearly the worst are my fellow Green Party members. They've lost
: >>>> their minds completely and have been reduced to shutting themselves in
: >>>> dark closets where they're probably curled up in the fetal position,
: >>>> lying a puddle of their own drool. Not only have they lost their
sense
: >>>> of humor but all manner of common sense and reality as well."
: >>>>
: >>>> *If* I felt that way about a certain group of people, I would not
: >>>> associate myself with them, would you?
: >>>>
: >>>
: >>> After catching this from you,
: >>>
: >>> "I would prefer the company of some criminals to mindless, senseless,
: >>> humourless, drooling Green Party associates."
: >>>
: >>> You either forgetful of your statements, or you're a bald faced liar,
: >>> that goes along with the rest of the sheep and lemmings; I think it is
: >>> the latter!
: >>
: >> You're making a false assumption, that I feel negatively towards all
: >> criminals.
: >>
: >>
: >
: > LMAO! if only they don't prop up your political/sociological point of of
: > view!
:
: Meaning what?
:
: > Then you had better get improving of making spins.
:
: What spins?
:
: > Again, people are bad; criminals, whatever because they are bad, and they
: > should be deemed as such, but not in a light that is favorable to ones
: > biased leanings. This is what you expose about yourself..
:
: What?
:
: > Your logic is so worthless that calling it revealing would be an
: > understatement!
:
: Your critique of my logic is incoherent.
:
: > Firstly, you cannot say (as you do), "I would prefer the company of some
: > criminals", to then say that, "that I feel negatively towards all
: > criminals."
:
: Where did you get that second quote? Not from me.
:
: > It is so contradictory, and more to the point, just like the thinking
kind
: > that you represent.
:
: Except that it's not what I said.
:
: > You either don't like criminals, or you do, there is no picking and
: > choosing!
:
: That's plainly a horrible fallacy, all criminals are not the same. Some are
: very good people who made one mistake, some are evil people.
:
: > I know you'll reply with (yet) another spin. (are you a Bush supporter?)
:
: Learn to think before you talk, that'll help.
:
:
 
R

R. McCarty

Windows XP 64-Bit drops 16-Bit support - so it's end is in near.
Adobe Reader 7.0 has no support for 9x/ME and you can expect
other main line applications to follow suite.
 
G

Greg R

The reason you're installing more updates is two-fold:

1. You aren't installing many updates for 9x systems at all these days,
because Microsoft isn't issuing any--even a serious handful that they
should be issuing, IMNSHO.

2. WinXP is a much more complicated system, with much larger set of
functionalities, and exists in a world where hacking for profit is a
much larger, almost mainstream enterprise, one that I suspect is now a
primary mainstay of organized crime. Because of XPs position as the
leading Desktop OS, it gets attacked most often. Admittedly, another
part of this equation is that the underlying vulnerability in most cases
is "buffer overflow", a situation that cannot be fixed except in
piecemeal fashion until the entire core structure of Windows is changed.
Whether MS manages to solve that problem is the issue upon which
Microsoft's continued dominance depends. Until then, however, piecemeal
is the best that can be done. But *none* of that means that Win9x is any
more secure than XP. Just the opposite, in fact, when so many
vulnerabilities that have been patched in XP and 2k go unpatched in the
older

Win98, 98SE and ME *are* dead, at least in so far as being a modern
convenience. Sure, you can lock your 9x system away from the internet
and run obsolete programs--same way MS-DOS and Win95 are still used. But
that's *all* you'll be able to decently do with it by the time this year
has closed.


Gary,
You can still get virus scanners and software for windows 98.
most software excluding Microsoft say the requirements are
win98,me,nt, 2000,xp. Some even say software is not compatible with
xp.

I don’t think antivir, avast, f-prot, will stop supporting windows 98
or above.
Antivir still supports windows 95 and f-prot still support dos.

Actual you can even get other virus scanners for windows 95 but it is
harder to find. Even open office 1.0 runs on windows 95

As long i can connect to the internet. I will keep using windows
98se.


Greg R
 
D

Dan

Gary, I finally have stopped all port scans at my LinkSys router and they do
not even get through to ZA as of yesterday. It took some tweaking in DOS,
the underlying system registry and some programming fixes but I am so
satisfied that I fixed it. My LinkSYS router is $80 that I bought at Best
Buy. It is a 4-port wired (Ethernet Cables) router with cool flashing
lights. I will not use Wireless technology because of hacking potential.
Likewise, I will not use BlueTooth technology because of hacking potential.
The LinkSyS router model # is BEFSX41. I provide it so others can buy this
router to help secure the Internet from hackers. I am now ready to go on the
offensive and start shutting down hacker websites and computers/and or
networks. My armor of God has been donned and please show me where to start
the fight. I have read in the Tucson Citizen that a Firewall already exists
that allows the military and certain branches of government and certain
companies to attack the attacker. I want to buy this firewall. Do you or
anyone know you to acquire it. Have a great day!!!

: Well, that looks interesting, but I'm trying to figure out the
: implication that I'm engaging in fear-mongering when I am simply stating
: the facts as I see them. Just because someone isn't willing to leave
: their comfort zone doesn't change the facts, and doesn't make me, or
: Microsoft for that matter, a fear monger. Just because you aren't
: paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you (referring to OC
: hacking.) A fair amount of healthy caution seems prudent.
:
: Really, I can't understand why people expect an OS that was developed
: ten years ago, an eon in PC history, should be able to keep up with
: modern devices and environments. Even Windows XP is, in many ways,
: obsolete, and just filling in until the next radically different
: paradigm replaces it.
:
: Unfortunately, I have yet to see convincing evidence that such a
: replacement is even near coming off the drawing boards, not one that is
: as convenient, egalitarian and functional as the PC mandate requires,
: without also being highly prone to unauthorized invasion.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: : > http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/
: >
: > --
: > All the Best,
: > Kelly (MS-MVP)
: >
: > Troubleshooting Windows XP
: > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
: >
: >
: > : > > Huh?
: > >
: > > --
: > > Gary S. Terhune
: > > MS MVP Shell/User
: > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
: > >
: > > : > >> That's very reassuringly American.
: > >> feed them information, with a good dose of fear.
: > >> Michael Moore, how right you are.
: > >>
: > >>
: > >> | Win98, 98SE and ME *are* dead, at least in so far as being a
: modern
: > >> | convenience. Sure, you can lock your 9x system away from the
: > > internet
: > >> | and run obsolete programs--same way MS-DOS and Win95 are still
: used.
: > > But
: > >> | that's *all* you'll be able to decently do with it by the time
: this
: > > year
: > >> | has closed.
: > >>
: > >>
: > >>
: > >
: >
: >
:
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

You got me! I missed it, too, even though I've been to WU umpteen times
this past month.
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

I don't think I'm quite ready to arm you with heavy artillery just yet,
Grasshopper, er, Dan, ;<)
 
D

Dan

I will keep the Dream Alive, Richard G. Harper even if it is not true as of
now. As Hebrews 11:1 states "Now Faith is the Assurance of Things Hoped For
and The Conviction of Things Not Seen" LOL!! (Microsoft has no idea who they
are tackling with and I betcha they have not seen the likes of Daniel which
means God is my Judge around before. LOL!! BTW, my favorite year is 1975
because it is the Year that Microsoft started as a company and the Year of my
Favorite old school airplane the A-10 which is located where I live in
Tucson, Arizona. (nicknamed the Wart-hog) (now that is a slow military
plane but a powerful old-school plane with a great deal of firepower and a
great deal of shielding)

LOL!!

: Unfortunately there are those who just believe that having bought a license
: to use an operating system entitles them to support (defined as, "I don't
: like this so fix it RIGHT NOW!") forever. There are also those people with
: goofy and unsupportable expectations that Microsoft will make Windows 98
: "open source" or re-release it in a "classic" or "final updates" version
: before support finally ends.
:
: I just quit arguing with 'em unless it's on a factual basis. If they say
: something wrong I chime in and correct it. Otherwise I let 'em dream
: whatever dream they want to.
:
: P.S. When did the Windows Update site change to require SP1 or SP2 for
: Windows XP updates? I knew they said it was coming soon but I missed
: exactly when that happened.
:
: --
: Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
: * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
: * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
: * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
: * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
:
:
: :
: > Well, that looks interesting, but I'm trying to figure out the
: > implication that I'm engaging in fear-mongering when I am simply stating
: > the facts as I see them. Just because someone isn't willing to leave
: > their comfort zone doesn't change the facts, and doesn't make me, or
: > Microsoft for that matter, a fear monger. Just because you aren't
: > paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you (referring to OC
: > hacking.) A fair amount of healthy caution seems prudent.
: >
: > Really, I can't understand why people expect an OS that was developed
: > ten years ago, an eon in PC history, should be able to keep up with
: > modern devices and environments. Even Windows XP is, in many ways,
: > obsolete, and just filling in until the next radically different
: > paradigm replaces it.
:
:
 
D

Dan

Let me know when you are ready. LOL!! My next step is to get more
education -- maybe a computer science undergraduate degree from the
University of Arizona, or go to ITT Tech. or take certification courses. Any
suggestions, Gary. Thanks in advance! My Dream is to someday work on the
Microsoft Windows Development Team and I will move to Washington State if I
get the job and maybe within the next 5-10 years even if I don't get the job.
I can aim for the moon and I may hit the woodpile. If one cannot dream and
hope what more is there to life than that. LOL!! I am so excited about
moving to cold, rainy and snowy weather that I can bearly maintain myself.
As the Hebrew Tribe of Dan moved North in the Old Testament so this Dan will
also move North even though this is the States and not the holy land. LOL!!
Have you figured me out yet Gary S. Terhune? <evil sneaky shift grin>

: I don't think I'm quite ready to arm you with heavy artillery just yet,
: Grasshopper, er, Dan, ;<)
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: : > Gary, I finally have stopped all port scans at my LinkSys router and
: they do
: > not even get through to ZA as of yesterday. It took some tweaking in
: DOS,
: > the underlying system registry and some programming fixes but I am so
: > satisfied that I fixed it. My LinkSYS router is $80 that I bought at
: Best
: > Buy. It is a 4-port wired (Ethernet Cables) router with cool
: flashing
: > lights. I will not use Wireless technology because of hacking
: potential.
: > Likewise, I will not use BlueTooth technology because of hacking
: potential.
: > The LinkSyS router model # is BEFSX41. I provide it so others can buy
: this
: > router to help secure the Internet from hackers. I am now ready to go
: on the
: > offensive and start shutting down hacker websites and computers/and or
: > networks. My armor of God has been donned and please show me where to
: start
: > the fight. I have read in the Tucson Citizen that a Firewall already
: exists
: > that allows the military and certain branches of government and
: certain
: > companies to attack the attacker. I want to buy this firewall. Do
: you or
: > anyone know you to acquire it. Have a great day!!!
:
 
D

Dan

I will hold the line until 30 June 2006 then 98SE will go off-line unless
certain hopes come to pass. I also have XPPRO. is my dual-boot and that will
stay on-line.

: Windows XP 64-Bit drops 16-Bit support - so it's end is in near.
: Adobe Reader 7.0 has no support for 9x/ME and you can expect
: other main line applications to follow suite.
:
: : >I am constantly petitioning Microsoft for more 98SE support Gary.
: >Microsoft
: > recently released 2 critical updates for me that are not available for
the
: > general public. "Admittedly, another
: > part of this equation is that the underlying vulnerability in most cases
: > is "buffer overflow", a situation that cannot be fixed except in
: > piecemeal fashion until the entire core structure of Windows is
: > changed" --
: > Gary S. Terhune
: > That is why we need a brand new operating system core that no longer has
: > any
: > legacy support and can be made almost hacker proof. As Chris Quirke, MVP
: > has
: > mentioned the underlying maintenance operating system of NT (New
: > Technology)
: > must change to something other than a MS-DOS (Microsoft Disk Operating
: > System) shell and have something radically new and different that would
be
: > super-secure at its core. I hope Microsoft can make this change with
: > Longhorn or failing to accomplish that then hopefully with Windows
: > Blackcomb.
: > (Windows Blackcomb estimated release date of 2010+ according to PC today
: > p.9 -- February issue) Have a nice day!
: >
: >
: >
: > : > : The reason you're installing more updates is two-fold:
: > :
: > : 1. You aren't installing many updates for 9x systems at all these days,
: > : because Microsoft isn't issuing any--even a serious handful that they
: > : should be issuing, IMNSHO.
: > :
: > : 2. WinXP is a much more complicated system, with much larger set of
: > : functionalities, and exists in a world where hacking for profit is a
: > : much larger, almost mainstream enterprise, one that I suspect is now a
: > : primary mainstay of organized crime. Because of XPs position as the
: > : leading Desktop OS, it gets attacked most often. Admittedly, another
: > : part of this equation is that the underlying vulnerability in most
cases
: > : is "buffer overflow", a situation that cannot be fixed except in
: > : piecemeal fashion until the entire core structure of Windows is
changed.
: > : Whether MS manages to solve that problem is the issue upon which
: > : Microsoft's continued dominance depends. Until then, however, piecemeal
: > : is the best that can be done. But *none* of that means that Win9x is
any
: > : more secure than XP. Just the opposite, in fact, when so many
: > : vulnerabilities that have been patched in XP and 2k go unpatched in the
: > : older
: > :
: > : Win98, 98SE and ME *are* dead, at least in so far as being a modern
: > : convenience. Sure, you can lock your 9x system away from the internet
: > : and run obsolete programs--same way MS-DOS and Win95 are still used.
But
: > : that's *all* you'll be able to decently do with it by the time this
year
: > : has closed.
: > :
: > : --
: > : Gary S. Terhune
: > : MS MVP Shell/User
: > : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: > : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
: > :
: > : : > : > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:27:54 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
: > : >
: > : > >Win98 is dead and headed for the cemetery,
: > : >
: > : > Don't tell me windows 98 is dead. I using it right now. I plan to
: > : > keep using it. I use it more than I do windows xp. Which I may
: > : > soon get rid of xp-getting tired of Constantly installing updates.
: > : > The reason most older software work better with 98se than with xp.
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > Greg R
: > :
: >
: >
:
:
 
D

Dan

Keep on trucking, Greg R. At least continue to use 98SE on-line while
critical updates are supported by Microsoft until 30 June 2006. Thanks for
your support!!! I highly respect, value and appreciate your support for the
9x line over the NT (New Technology aka Not There) line. Hopefully,
Microsoft will see the light before Apple, Mozilla, Google, Linux, Unix and
others overtake them in the marketplace.

: On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:35:42 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
:
: >The reason you're installing more updates is two-fold:
: >
: >1. You aren't installing many updates for 9x systems at all these days,
: >because Microsoft isn't issuing any--even a serious handful that they
: >should be issuing, IMNSHO.
: >
: >2. WinXP is a much more complicated system, with much larger set of
: >functionalities, and exists in a world where hacking for profit is a
: >much larger, almost mainstream enterprise, one that I suspect is now a
: >primary mainstay of organized crime. Because of XPs position as the
: >leading Desktop OS, it gets attacked most often. Admittedly, another
: >part of this equation is that the underlying vulnerability in most cases
: >is "buffer overflow", a situation that cannot be fixed except in
: >piecemeal fashion until the entire core structure of Windows is changed.
: >Whether MS manages to solve that problem is the issue upon which
: >Microsoft's continued dominance depends. Until then, however, piecemeal
: >is the best that can be done. But *none* of that means that Win9x is any
: >more secure than XP. Just the opposite, in fact, when so many
: >vulnerabilities that have been patched in XP and 2k go unpatched in the
: >older
: >
: >Win98, 98SE and ME *are* dead, at least in so far as being a modern
: >convenience. Sure, you can lock your 9x system away from the internet
: >and run obsolete programs--same way MS-DOS and Win95 are still used. But
: >that's *all* you'll be able to decently do with it by the time this year
: >has closed.
:
:
: Gary,
: You can still get virus scanners and software for windows 98.
: most software excluding Microsoft say the requirements are
: win98,me,nt, 2000,xp. Some even say software is not compatible with
: xp.
:
: I don't think antivir, avast, f-prot, will stop supporting windows 98
: or above.
: Antivir still supports windows 95 and f-prot still support dos.
:
: Actual you can even get other virus scanners for windows 95 but it is
: harder to find. Even open office 1.0 runs on windows 95
:
: As long i can connect to the internet. I will keep using windows
: 98se.
:
:
: Greg R
 
G

Greg R

At least continue to use 98SE on-line while
critical updates are supported by Microsoft until 30 June 2006

I will and even past that date I will use out line.. I have a
firewall and a virus scanner. If I was starting out new. I would
possible use a mac or linux system. Unfortunately, there are a few
software that I can not give up-yet. Software is limited on the
linux and mac systems. I think eveyones waiting on the outcome of
sco lawsuit.

Microsoft even had a mslinux plan. Read that on the web.


Greg R
 
D

Dan

"I think eveyones waiting on the outcome of sco lawsuit." (Can you post a
web-link, please)

"Microsoft even had a mslinux plan. Read that on the web." (Can you post a
web-link, please)

Thanks for responding, Greg R. I think you and I might have a lot in common.

Greg R

:
: >At least continue to use 98SE on-line while
: >critical updates are supported by Microsoft until 30 June 2006
:
: I will and even past that date I will use out line.. I have a
: firewall and a virus scanner. If I was starting out new. I would
: possible use a mac or linux system. Unfortunately, there are a few
: software that I can not give up-yet. Software is limited on the
: linux and mac systems. I think eveyones waiting on the outcome of
: sco lawsuit.
:
: Microsoft even had a mslinux plan. Read that on the web.
:
:
: Greg R
 
L

Lee Chapelle

Dan said:
"Learn to think before you talk, that'll help." That is a lesson that I
am
learning everyday. Have a great day!

LOL! Me too, it's a lesson I hope to never stop learning.
 
B

Bill in Co.

Greg said:
Gary,
You can still get virus scanners and software for windows 98.
most software excluding Microsoft say the requirements are
win98,me,nt, 2000,xp. Some even say software is not compatible with
xp.

I don’t think antivir, avast, f-prot, will stop supporting windows 98
or above.
Antivir still supports windows 95 and f-prot still support dos.

Actual you can even get other virus scanners for windows 95 but it is
harder to find. Even open office 1.0 runs on windows 95

As long i can connect to the internet. I will keep using windows
98se.

Greg R

Me too, I expect. And I expect we will be able to connect to the Internet
with Win98SE, for a long, long time. And I'm not worried about the WU's
either.
 
G

Greg R

"I think eveyones waiting on the outcome of sco lawsuit." (Can you post a
web-link, please)
Do a search one the web for sco lawsuit-you will find alot.


Mslinux
http://www.mslinux.org/

There was going to be a us version. That on hold. This was reported
on another website.

Greg R
 
P

pjp

Bill in Co. said:
Me too, I expect. And I expect we will be able to connect to the Internet
with Win98SE, for a long, long time. And I'm not worried about the WU's
either.

I run 98SE alongside XP and to be truthfull I really don't see what all the
hype about XP is??? It's only attribute seems to be it's more complicated.
It seems capable of crashing just as often (although granted it traps
crashing better). I have yet to find anything that really matters that I can
only accomplish under XP or for that matter is even significantly easier and
/or faster..
 
R

Richard G. Harper

Ah, Greg ... you DID realize that page is a joke, didn't you? Didn't the
"Microsoft Invades Cuba" headline give it away?

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
 
A

Ad

pjp said:
I run 98SE alongside XP and to be truthfull I really don't see what all the
hype about XP is??? It's only attribute seems to be it's more complicated.

XP is suppose to be more secure and more reliable, the problem is, it
uses a lot more resouces.

It seems capable of crashing just as often (although granted it traps
crashing better). I have yet to find anything that really matters that I can
only accomplish under XP or for that matter is even significantly easier and
/or faster..
Someone told me once that Windows is great and will run very nicely
without crashing as long as you do not put any software on it. In his
mind it was not windows that crash, but the software that is running.

so now you know, we can all use windows, but make sure you do not
install any software :)
 

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