Whats with HP Vista driver development ?

A

Alias

Richard said:
Alias has his own agenda, don't you know.

Really? And that being what? Your agenda seems to be to insult anyone
that doesn't post anything but praise for MS.

Alias
 
B

Bobdar

I have a HP 1350 and had a hell of a time believing there was a driver on
vista as they suggested. Finally found that I could go to accessories and
the scanner and camera connection and I had my scanner back. Believe me,
the Director does not work at all.
 
C

Chad Harris

LOL--

Between psychotic George Bush and Dick Cheney and the little moron puppy dog
they use for an Attorney General, Gonzales, the corporate spying and
pretexting, the wiretaping and the ubiqutous cameras all over the place, I
have come to perceive the US as one big virtual reality You Tube and now
that Viacom has bitched, whatever other You Tubesque things that are out
there.

You're always on camera, and some squirrel is pouring over your data and
they aren't aiming to give you the Nobel, they're trying to figure out how
they can rendition torture everyone on their block.

Soon the only thriving industry will be Dover coffin makers. Those will
continue as long as the indifferent citizens of the US construe the Iraque
fiasco as just one more big bloody yawn.

A Draft would bring them home because then the White elitist suburbinistas
would worry about their precious children instead of urge staying the course
with the children, mothers, and fathers, and grandparents of predominantly
less fortunate social-economic classes. At the end of the day the 110th
Congress will become "much ado, total sound and fury signifying nothing with
apologies to Mr. Faulkner.

CH

Follow the Scooter Libby bus to prison. Will the psychotic Dick Cheney and
sociopathic Karl Rove be on it as well? The next two weeks will tell.
Congratulations to the Wall Street Journal for pretending the trial isn't
taking place by banning its reporters from covering the trial or putting one
nano-line of print in the WSJ. LOL If you don't report on it, it isn't
happening. Old Conservative Proverb.

Saturday, February 03, 2007
FRANK RICH: Why Dick Cheney Cracked Up
IN the days since Dick Cheney lost it on CNN, our nation's armchair shrinks
have had a blast. The vice president who boasted of "enormous successes" in
Iraq and barked "hogwash" at the congenitally mild Wolf Blitzer has been
roundly judged delusional, pathologically dishonest or just plain nuts. But
what else is new? We identified those diagnoses long ago.


The more intriguing question is what ignited this particularly violent
public flare-up.The answer can be found in the timing of the CNN interview,
which was conducted the day after the start of the perjury trial of Mr.
Cheney's former top aide, Scooter Libby. The vice president's on-camera
crackup reflected his understandable fear that a White House cover-up was
crumbling. He knew that sworn testimony in a Washington courtroom would
reveal still more sordid details about how the administration lied to take
the country into war in Iraq.


He knew that those revelations could cripple the White House's current
campaign to escalate that war and foment apocalyptic scenarios about Iran.
Scariest of all, he knew that he might yet have to testify under oath
himself.Mr. Cheney, in other words, understands the danger this trial poses
to the White House even as some of Washington remains oblivious. From the
start, the capital has belittled the Joseph and Valerie Wilson affair as "a
tempest in a teapot," as David Broder of The Washington Post reiterated just
five months ago.


When "all of the facts come out in this case, it's going to be laughable
because the consequences are not that great," Bob Woodward said in 2005. Or,
as Robert Novak suggested in 2003 before he revealed Ms. Wilson's identity
as a C.I.A. officer in his column, "weapons of mass destruction or uranium
from Niger" are "little elitist issues that don't bother most of the
people." Those issues may not trouble Mr. Novak, but they do loom large to
other people, especially those who sent their kids off to war over
nonexistent weapons of mass destruction and nonexistent uranium.


In terms of the big issues, the question of who first leaked Ms. Wilson's
identity (whether Mr. Libby, Richard Armitage, Ari Fleischer or Karl Rove)
to which journalist (whether Mr. Woodward, Mr. Novak, Judith Miller or Matt
Cooper) has always been a red herring. It's entirely possible that the White
House has always been telling the truth when it says that no one intended to
unmask a secret agent. (No one has been charged with that crime.)


The White House is also telling the truth when it repeatedly says that Mr.
Cheney did not send Mr. Wilson on his C.I.A.-sponsored African trip to check
out a supposed Iraq-Niger uranium transaction. (Another red herring, since
Mr. Wilson didn't make that accusation in the first place.) But if the
administration is telling the truth on these narrow questions and had little
to hide about the Wilson trip per se, its wild overreaction to the episode
was an incriminating sign it was hiding something else.


According to testimony in the Libby case, the White House went berserk when
Mr. Wilson published his Op-Ed article in The Times in July 2003 about what
he didn't find in Africa. Top officials gossiped incessantly about both
Wilsons to anyone who would listen, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby conferred about
them several times a day, and finally Mr. Libby, known as an exceptionally
discreet White House courtier, became so sloppy that his alleged lying
landed him with five felony counts.


The explanation for the hysteria has long been obvious. The White House was
terrified about being found guilty of a far greater crime than outing a
C.I.A. officer: lying to the nation to hype its case for war. When Mr.
Wilson, an obscure retired diplomat, touched that raw nerve, all the
president's men panicked because they knew Mr. Wilson's modest finding in
Africa was the tip of a far larger iceberg. They knew that there was still
far more damning evidence of the administration's W.M.D. lies lurking in the
bowels of the bureaucracy.


Thanks to the commotion caused by the leak case, that damning evidence has
slowly dribbled out. By my count we now know of at least a half-dozen
instances before the start of the Iraq war when various intelligence
agencies and others signaled that evidence of Iraq's purchase of uranium in
Africa might be dubious or fabricated. (These are detailed in the timelines
at frankrich.com/timeline.htm.) The culmination of these warnings arrived in
January 2003, the same month as the president's State of the Union address,
when the White House received a memo from the National Intelligence Council,
the coordinating body for all American spy agencies, stating unequivocally
that the claim was baseless.


Nonetheless President Bush brandished that fearful "uranium from Africa" in
his speech to Congress as he hustled the country into war in Iraq.If the war
had been a cakewalk, few would have cared to investigate the
administration's
deceit at its inception. But by the time Mr. Wilson's Op-Ed article
appeared - some five months after the State of the Union and two months
after "Mission Accomplished" - there was something terribly wrong with the
White House's triumphal picture.
More than 60 American troops had been killed since Mr. Bush celebrated the
end of "major combat operations" by prancing about an aircraft carrier. No
W.M.D. had been found, and we weren't even able to turn on the lights in
Baghdad. For the first time, more than half of Americans told a Washington
Post-ABC News poll that the level of casualties was "unacceptable." It was
urgent, therefore, that the awkward questions raised by Mr. Wilson's
revelation of his Africa trip be squelched as quickly as possible. He had to
be smeared as an inconsequential has-been whose mission was merely a trivial
boondoggle arranged by his wife.


The C.I.A., which had actually resisted the uranium fictions, had to be
strong-armed into taking the blame for the 16 errant words in the State of
the Union speech. What we are learning from Mr. Libby's trial is just what a
herculean effort it took to execute this two-pronged cover-up after Mr.
Wilson's article appeared. Mr. Cheney was the hands-on manager of the 24/7
campaign of press manipulation and high-stakes character assassination, with
Mr. Libby as his chief hatchet man. Though Mr. Libby's lawyers are now
arguing that their client was a sacrificial lamb thrown to the feds to
shield Mr. Rove, Mr. Libby actually was - and still is - a stooge for the
vice president.
Whether he will go to jail for his misplaced loyalty is the human drama of
his trial. But for the country there are bigger issues at stake, and they
are not, as the White House would have us believe, ancient history. The
administration propaganda flimflams that sold us the war are now being
retrofitted to expand and extend it.In a replay of the run-up to the
original invasion, a new National Intelligence Estimate, requested by
Congress in August to summarize all intelligence assessments on Iraq, was
mysteriously delayed until last week, well after the president had set his
surge.


Even the declassified passages released on Friday - the grim takes on the
weak Iraqi security forces and the spiraling sectarian violence - foretell
that the latest plan for victory is doomed. (As a White House communications
aide testified at the Libby trial, this administration habitually releases
bad news on Fridays because "fewer people pay attention when it's reported
on Saturday.") A Pentagon inspector general's report, uncovered by Business
Week last week, was also kept on the q.t.: it shows that even as more
American troops are being thrown into the grinder in Iraq, existing troops
lack the guns and ammunition to "effectively complete their missions." Army
and Marine Corps commanders told The Washington Post that both armor and
trucks were in such short supply that their best hope is that "five brigades
of up-armored Humvees fall out of the sky."


Tomorrow is the fourth anniversary of Colin Powell's notorious W.M.D.
pantomime before the United Nations Security Council, a fair amount of it a
Cheney-Libby production. To mark this milestone, the White House is reviving
the same script to rev up the war's escalation, this time hyping Iran-Iraq
connections instead of Al Qaeda-Iraq connections. In his Jan. 10 prime-time
speech on Iraq, Mr. Bush said that Iran was supplying "advanced weaponry and
training to our enemies," even though the evidence suggests that Iran is
actually in bed with our "friends" in Iraq, the Maliki government.
The administration promised a dossier to back up its claims, but that too
has been delayed twice amid reports of what The Times calls "a continuing
debate about how well the information proved the Bush administration's
case." Call it a coincidence - though there are no coincidences - but it's
only fitting that the Libby trial began as news arrived of the death of E.
Howard Hunt, the former C.I.A. agent whose bungling of the Watergate
break-in sent him to jail and led to the unraveling of the Nixon presidency
two years later.


Still, we can't push the parallels too far. No one died in Watergate. This
time around our country can't wait two more years for the White House to be
stopped from playing its games with American blood.



Dale said:
Perhaps HP didn't get the memo. When the email came from Microsoft that
they were thinking about creating a new operating system, HP's execs were
too busy spying on each other and installing key loggers on each others'
PCs to notice the email.

Dale

Chad Harris said:
It should. HP is also electing to discontinue making drivers of many
recent printers. One should also extend Kudos to Tali Roth Vista Print
Team PM. Email Tali. Ask her about her team's efforts to get HP and their
platinum partners to support very recent legacy printers. It's about
Selling. MSFT is a company that makes billions selling and they do it by
making hardware obsolete as well. Many recent HP printers and scanners
are not supported in Vista, however you may find work around dirvers or
TWAIN DS drivers that make them work somewhere.

HP's stock post on their site is "Buy one of our new Vista compatible
printers." Of course it sucks. But you're up against a software monopoly
that is promoting hardware monopolies as well, in the sense that little
effort is being made to get any older printers or scanners Vista
compatible. Many of us have to deploy workarounds and some have been hard
to find to make older hardware work in Visduh the new OS that has started
to advertise a bit.

One thing: If you name your make and model, you may get some help on
this group if a diriver that works can be found.

Good luck,

CH

______________________________

Check out Mark Russinovich [MSFT] Inside the Windows Vista kernel
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/default.aspx

Follow the Scooter Libby bus to prison. Will the psychotic Dick Cheney
and
sociopathic Karl Rove be on it as well? The next two weeks will tell.
Congratulations to the Wall Street Journal for pretending the trial isn't
taking place by banning its reporters from covering the trial or putting
one
nano-line of print in the WSJ. LOL If you don't report on it, it isn't
happening. Old Conservative Proverb.

Saturday, February 03, 2007
FRANK RICH: Why Dick Cheney Cracked Up
IN the days since Dick Cheney lost it on CNN, our nation's armchair
shrinks
have had a blast. The vice president who boasted of "enormous successes"
in
Iraq and barked "hogwash" at the congenitally mild Wolf Blitzer has been
roundly judged delusional, pathologically dishonest or just plain nuts.
But
what else is new? We identified those diagnoses long ago.


The more intriguing question is what ignited this particularly violent
public flare-up.The answer can be found in the timing of the CNN
interview,
which was conducted the day after the start of the perjury trial of Mr.
Cheney's former top aide, Scooter Libby. The vice president's on-camera
crackup reflected his understandable fear that a White House cover-up was
crumbling. He knew that sworn testimony in a Washington courtroom would
reveal still more sordid details about how the administration lied to
take
the country into war in Iraq.


He knew that those revelations could cripple the White House's current
campaign to escalate that war and foment apocalyptic scenarios about
Iran.
Scariest of all, he knew that he might yet have to testify under oath
himself.Mr. Cheney, in other words, understands the danger this trial
poses
to the White House even as some of Washington remains oblivious. From the
start, the capital has belittled the Joseph and Valerie Wilson affair as
"a
tempest in a teapot," as David Broder of The Washington Post reiterated
just
five months ago.


When "all of the facts come out in this case, it's going to be laughable
because the consequences are not that great," Bob Woodward said in 2005.
Or,
as Robert Novak suggested in 2003 before he revealed Ms. Wilson's
identity
as a C.I.A. officer in his column, "weapons of mass destruction or
uranium
from Niger" are "little elitist issues that don't bother most of the
people." Those issues may not trouble Mr. Novak, but they do loom large
to
other people, especially those who sent their kids off to war over
nonexistent weapons of mass destruction and nonexistent uranium.


In terms of the big issues, the question of who first leaked Ms. Wilson's
identity (whether Mr. Libby, Richard Armitage, Ari Fleischer or Karl
Rove)
to which journalist (whether Mr. Woodward, Mr. Novak, Judith Miller or
Matt
Cooper) has always been a red herring. It's entirely possible that the
White
House has always been telling the truth when it says that no one intended
to
unmask a secret agent. (No one has been charged with that crime.)


The White House is also telling the truth when it repeatedly says that
Mr.
Cheney did not send Mr. Wilson on his C.I.A.-sponsored African trip to
check
out a supposed Iraq-Niger uranium transaction. (Another red herring,
since
Mr. Wilson didn't make that accusation in the first place.) But if the
administration is telling the truth on these narrow questions and had
little
to hide about the Wilson trip per se, its wild overreaction to the
episode
was an incriminating sign it was hiding something else.


According to testimony in the Libby case, the White House went berserk
when
Mr. Wilson published his Op-Ed article in The Times in July 2003 about
what
he didn't find in Africa. Top officials gossiped incessantly about both
Wilsons to anyone who would listen, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby conferred
about
them several times a day, and finally Mr. Libby, known as an
exceptionally
discreet White House courtier, became so sloppy that his alleged lying
landed him with five felony counts.


The explanation for the hysteria has long been obvious. The White House
was
terrified about being found guilty of a far greater crime than outing a
C.I.A. officer: lying to the nation to hype its case for war. When Mr.
Wilson, an obscure retired diplomat, touched that raw nerve, all the
president's men panicked because they knew Mr. Wilson's modest finding in
Africa was the tip of a far larger iceberg. They knew that there was
still
far more damning evidence of the administration's W.M.D. lies lurking in
the
bowels of the bureaucracy.


Thanks to the commotion caused by the leak case, that damning evidence
has
slowly dribbled out. By my count we now know of at least a half-dozen
instances before the start of the Iraq war when various intelligence
agencies and others signaled that evidence of Iraq's purchase of uranium
in
Africa might be dubious or fabricated. (These are detailed in the
timelines
at frankrich.com/timeline.htm.) The culmination of these warnings arrived
in
January 2003, the same month as the president's State of the Union
address,
when the White House received a memo from the National Intelligence
Council,
the coordinating body for all American spy agencies, stating
unequivocally
that the claim was baseless.


Nonetheless President Bush brandished that fearful "uranium from Africa"
in
his speech to Congress as he hustled the country into war in Iraq.If the
war
had been a cakewalk, few would have cared to investigate the
administration's
deceit at its inception. But by the time Mr. Wilson's Op-Ed article
appeared - some five months after the State of the Union and two months
after "Mission Accomplished" - there was something terribly wrong with
the
White House's triumphal picture.
More than 60 American troops had been killed since Mr. Bush celebrated
the
end of "major combat operations" by prancing about an aircraft carrier.
No
W.M.D. had been found, and we weren't even able to turn on the lights in
Baghdad. For the first time, more than half of Americans told a
Washington
Post-ABC News poll that the level of casualties was "unacceptable." It
was
urgent, therefore, that the awkward questions raised by Mr. Wilson's
revelation of his Africa trip be squelched as quickly as possible. He had
to
be smeared as an inconsequential has-been whose mission was merely a
trivial
boondoggle arranged by his wife.


The C.I.A., which had actually resisted the uranium fictions, had to be
strong-armed into taking the blame for the 16 errant words in the State
of
the Union speech. What we are learning from Mr. Libby's trial is just
what a
herculean effort it took to execute this two-pronged cover-up after Mr.
Wilson's article appeared. Mr. Cheney was the hands-on manager of the
24/7
campaign of press manipulation and high-stakes character assassination,
with
Mr. Libby as his chief hatchet man. Though Mr. Libby's lawyers are now
arguing that their client was a sacrificial lamb thrown to the feds to
shield Mr. Rove, Mr. Libby actually was - and still is - a stooge for the
vice president.
Whether he will go to jail for his misplaced loyalty is the human drama
of
his trial. But for the country there are bigger issues at stake, and they
are not, as the White House would have us believe, ancient history. The
administration propaganda flimflams that sold us the war are now being
retrofitted to expand and extend it.In a replay of the run-up to the
original invasion, a new National Intelligence Estimate, requested by
Congress in August to summarize all intelligence assessments on Iraq, was
mysteriously delayed until last week, well after the president had set
his
surge.


Even the declassified passages released on Friday - the grim takes on the
weak Iraqi security forces and the spiraling sectarian violence -
foretell
that the latest plan for victory is doomed. (As a White House
communications
aide testified at the Libby trial, this administration habitually
releases
bad news on Fridays because "fewer people pay attention when it's
reported
on Saturday.") A Pentagon inspector general's report, uncovered by
Business
Week last week, was also kept on the q.t.: it shows that even as more
American troops are being thrown into the grinder in Iraq, existing
troops
lack the guns and ammunition to "effectively complete their missions."
Army
and Marine Corps commanders told The Washington Post that both armor and
trucks were in such short supply that their best hope is that "five
brigades
of up-armored Humvees fall out of the sky."


Tomorrow is the fourth anniversary of Colin Powell's notorious W.M.D.
pantomime before the United Nations Security Council, a fair amount of it
a
Cheney-Libby production. To mark this milestone, the White House is
reviving
the same script to rev up the war's escalation, this time hyping
Iran-Iraq
connections instead of Al Qaeda-Iraq connections. In his Jan. 10
prime-time
speech on Iraq, Mr. Bush said that Iran was supplying "advanced weaponry
and
training to our enemies," even though the evidence suggests that Iran is
actually in bed with our "friends" in Iraq, the Maliki government.
The administration promised a dossier to back up its claims, but that too
has been delayed twice amid reports of what The Times calls "a continuing
debate about how well the information proved the Bush administration's
case." Call it a coincidence - though there are no coincidences - but
it's
only fitting that the Libby trial began as news arrived of the death of
E.
Howard Hunt, the former C.I.A. agent whose bungling of the Watergate
break-in sent him to jail and led to the unraveling of the Nixon
presidency
two years later.


Still, we can't push the parallels too far. No one died in Watergate.
This
time around our country can't wait two more years for the White House to
be
stopped from playing its games with American blood.

_________________

steveb said:
Our T45 multi-function still worked great - but no Vista drivers - HP
web site actually says "it will not work, get a new printer"

So I rush out and get a new $250 HP multi-function printer OfficeJet
6310 network printer.

I guess I should of asked . . . .No Vista drivers !

We can do print with Vista bundles drivers, but no Scanning or Faxing
etc.

Maybe the HP web site should have advised me to get a new Dell printer.
 
A

Alias

Bob said:
For someone who doesn't answer hypothetical questions you sure give a
lot of hypothetical answers.

Ah, the trusty old ad hominem attack. Can you give an example of one of
my "hypothetical answers"?

Alias
 
B

Bob

Ah your trusty old response "hominem attack".
Here is the answer to your question.

"Maybe you should have waited to install Vista until it at least has SP1,
if not SP2. What was your hurry?"
 
R

Richard Urban

Your agenda is to knock anything that has to do with Vista, as you have so
competently shown over the last three months.

You know so much about it, yet you aren't using it. Truly amazing I think.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
M

MattersNot

Alias said:
First insult. I did answer.



Second insult, being as I didn't place the blame on anyone.

Oh I forgot! If Microsoft didn't even come out



I didn't say who's fault *anything* is.



I didn't say that either.



Yawn. You had to ask and this post proves you'll never know. If you had
*read* my post, I didn't place the "blame" on *anyone*.

Now, for the sake of readers who are really interested (not you), by the
time Vista comes out with SP2, all the drivers should be available and
using foolish people who buy Vista now as guinea pigs will be over.

Do you get it now or do I have to go more slowly for you?

Alias
So, if no one bought Vista when it became available there
would be no need for an sp1 or sp2. Makes sense to me...NOT!
 
A

Alias

Bob said:
Ah your trusty old response "hominem attack".
Here is the answer to your question.

"Maybe you should have waited to install Vista until it at least has SP1,
if not SP2. What was your hurry?"

What's hypothetical about that? That is a suggestion that is prudent,
not hypothetical.

Alias
 
A

Alias

Richard said:
Your agenda is to knock anything that has to do with Vista, as you have
so competently shown over the last three months.

Example please (as if). And why, pray tell, would I have this imagined
agenda of yours? What would I gain?
You know so much about it, yet you aren't using it. Truly amazing I think.

I have never experienced jumping off a ten story building but that
doesn't mean I don't know that it isn't a good idea.

Alias
 
R

Richard Urban

Do you feel the same about sex. Have you ever................

Can you comment without trying?

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
B

Bob

Very simple, a service pack for Vista will have nothing to do with HP
drivers.
Service packs are for the OS. Do you really think a service pack is going to
cure the HP problem the op has?
If you do then its purely hypothetical on your part as there is absolutely
nothing to show it will.

Expecting more of your "hominem attack" remarks.
 
B

Bob

Personally I would never take the advice about Vista from someone who has no
hands on experience, and bases his knowledge on outdated hearsay
information.
 
A

Alias

Bob said:
Very simple, a service pack for Vista will have nothing to do with HP
drivers.
Service packs are for the OS. Do you really think a service pack is
going to cure the HP problem the op has?
If you do then its purely hypothetical on your part as there is
absolutely nothing to show it will.

I didn't say that. I said that by that time most bugs will be worked out
and drivers will be available. I also say that with the new hardware on
the way, Vista will be Prime Time in a year or so.

Alias
 
A

Alias

Richard said:
Do you feel the same about sex. Have you ever................

Can you comment without trying?

I knew sex was going to be good long before I experienced it and my
instinct were correct.

Alias
 
A

Alias

Bob said:
Personally I would never take the advice about Vista from someone who
has no hands on experience, and bases his knowledge on outdated hearsay
information.

Can't reply to the message, attack the messenger. Why is this a personal
thing for you? Are you married to Vista?

Alias
 
B

Bob

Show me where in this original post to the op you said any of that.
Here is your original post.

"Maybe you should have waited to install Vista until it at least has SP1,
if not SP2. What was your hurry?

Alias"


"I didn't say that. I said that by that time most bugs will be worked out
and drivers will be available. I also say that with the new hardware on
the way, Vista will be Prime Time in a year or so."

Alias
 
R

Richard Urban

Bubba made you feel "that" good?

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
A

Alias

Bob said:
Show me where in this original post to the op you said any of that.
Here is your original post.

Time passes. SP 1 appears and so do new drivers and new hardware. Follow
me so far? More time passes and SP 2 makes the scene and so do new
drivers and new hardware. Is it falling into place yet? Need I spell it
out for you even more?

To put it another way. A lot of time has passed since XP came out and
finding hardware drivers for XP is easy.

Alias
 
R

Richard Urban

Forget it Bob. This dude is in his own world. He thinks things and then says
he writes them as record. His real record shows him for what he is -
unknowledgeable in Vista, and not likely to become so.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
D

Dale

Alias said:
Time passes. SP 1 appears and so do new drivers and new hardware.

Why do I get this picture in my mind of a mountain scene with winter passing
into spring and spring to summer and summer into fall, right before my eyes,
as I read that?

Dale
 

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