What's a good choice for print/fax/scan

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krazebella2

I just bought a new Vista Ultimate Dell XPS 420, with 4gb ram, and 1tb and
750gb partitioned hds. I have a 10 year old HP DESKJET 882C printer that is
no longer supported by HP and Vista tells me it is not compatible. However
it is printing from my Vista. (better than it did from my Windows 98se).
There are no new drivers for it, I am told.

I have a HP Photosmart 8250 that I have been using as a stand alone to print
pictures from my digital xD card. It wouldn't work with my Windows 98se. I
don't know yet if it is supported by Vista.

My Okifax is not reliable and I need a reliable fax machine as I fax out 20
to 50 sheets at a time.

I have an inexpensive Canon scanner, LIDE 70. My Vista Ultimate tells me
"Vista does not support inkjet printer and scanner". But the scanner works
also.

I would like to get either an all in one that works well and does not eat
ink, or a color laser and whatever they come attached with these days. I can
not get out to shop. Could I please get some suggestions. (I work with a lot
of pictures; I do a lot of faxing, a moderate amount of scanning; and a
small amount of printing every day.) Thanks in advance for any advice.
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

HP Photosmart C5280 Q8330A Up to 32 ppm Up to 4800 x 1200 optimized dpi
(with 1200 x 1200 input dpi) Thermal Inkjet MFC / All-In-One Color Printer - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828104701

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

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I just bought a new Vista Ultimate Dell XPS 420, with 4gb ram, and 1tb and
750gb partitioned hds. I have a 10 year old HP DESKJET 882C printer that is
no longer supported by HP and Vista tells me it is not compatible. However
it is printing from my Vista. (better than it did from my Windows 98se).
There are no new drivers for it, I am told.

I have a HP Photosmart 8250 that I have been using as a stand alone to print
pictures from my digital xD card. It wouldn't work with my Windows 98se. I
don't know yet if it is supported by Vista.

My Okifax is not reliable and I need a reliable fax machine as I fax out 20
to 50 sheets at a time.

I have an inexpensive Canon scanner, LIDE 70. My Vista Ultimate tells me
"Vista does not support inkjet printer and scanner". But the scanner works
also.

I would like to get either an all in one that works well and does not eat
ink, or a color laser and whatever they come attached with these days. I can
not get out to shop. Could I please get some suggestions. (I work with a lot
of pictures; I do a lot of faxing, a moderate amount of scanning; and a
small amount of printing every day.) Thanks in advance for any advice.
 
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Frederick

Virtually all the products on the market are excellent
compared to only a few years ago. Base your decision on
cost of operation, which equates to the price of ink.

While some printers use proprietary cartridges that cost
a ton, other units can be fed generic ink that's
available on eBay and from various online vendors at $2
or so each. Get the sort of printer that puts each color
in its own tank so you needn't replace the entire supply
when the yellow runs out.

They're out there... just hunt.

Fred
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

I would like to get either an all in one that works well and does not eat
ink, or a color laser and whatever they come attached with these days. I can
not get out to shop. Could I please get some suggestions. (I work with a lot
of pictures; I do a lot of faxing, a moderate amount of scanning; and a
small amount of printing every day.) Thanks in advance for any advice.


My personal preference is to avoid all-in-ones. The problem is that
when one portion fails (which it always eventually does), you need to
buy a new unit that supports all three. I personally prefer to buy a
separate printer, a separate scanner, and a separate fax machine. You
can readily buy all three for around $150 US or even less.
 
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Don Harvey

Yes, and in addition I think it is better to pay just a little more and get
a document feeder for the scanner. Before I buy a printer I always research
the cost of the ink cartridges. A good place I use is
http://private.abacus24-7.com
 
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Paul Montgomery

Yes, and in addition I think it is better to pay just a little more and get
a document feeder for the scanner. Before I buy a printer I always research
the cost of the ink cartridges.

Same here... so I only buy Epson or Canon, and only those with four or
more cartridges (one black, the rest color) that have generic
equivalents.
 
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Paul Montgomery

Yes, and in addition I think it is better to pay just a little more and get
a document feeder for the scanner. Before I buy a printer I always research
the cost of the ink cartridges. A good place I use is
http://private.abacus24-7.com

By the way... that is an EXCELLENT site, and it's cheaper than the one
I used to use! :)
 
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Ringmaster

I just bought a new Vista Ultimate Dell XPS 420, with 4gb ram, and 1tb and
750gb partitioned hds. I have a 10 year old HP DESKJET 882C printer that is
no longer supported by HP and Vista tells me it is not compatible. However
it is printing from my Vista. (better than it did from my Windows 98se).
There are no new drivers for it, I am told.

I have a HP Photosmart 8250 that I have been using as a stand alone to print
pictures from my digital xD card. It wouldn't work with my Windows 98se. I
don't know yet if it is supported by Vista.

My Okifax is not reliable and I need a reliable fax machine as I fax out 20
to 50 sheets at a time.

I have an inexpensive Canon scanner, LIDE 70. My Vista Ultimate tells me
"Vista does not support inkjet printer and scanner". But the scanner works
also.

I would like to get either an all in one that works well and does not eat
ink, or a color laser and whatever they come attached with these days. I can
not get out to shop. Could I please get some suggestions. (I work with a lot
of pictures; I do a lot of faxing, a moderate amount of scanning; and a
small amount of printing every day.) Thanks in advance for any advice.

I can highly recommend Cannon all-in-one printers. I have a MP600
that's fast, reliable, and produces ultra high output in breathtaking
high resolution full color and yes, is stingy with ink. Several
features I like, you have separate ink cartridges, so you can replace
the primary colors individually as they run out. It does great as a
scanner, serves my purposes as a copy machine, can print directly from
a camera or memory sticks. This particular model I have doesn't
support Fax but other models like following do.

This is my first Canon, having always used either HP or Epson in the
past. I'll never go back to either of those brands. This model is
light years ahead and build very sturdy too, unlike some of the newer
models form other manufacturers that look like they will fall apart if
you look at them cross-eyed. I strongly suggest you check out Canon
printers. Yes my MP600 works fine with Vista and came with Vista
drivers in the box and even said as much on the box.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08012414canonpixmamx7600_mx850.asp

This is my first all-in-one and I LOVE it. I get some of my desk space
back. No need to have separate printers, FAX machines, scanners
anymore.
 
K

krazebella2

Ken, What do you think of the laser color printers. Don't they come in small
combinations. like printer/scanner. or printer/copier/scanner? Would that be
better in the long run? If not what brand would you suggest? I especially
need a reliable bulk fax machine (to fax 20 - 50 pages at a time).
 
D

Don Harvey

Paul,

I have been buying all my ink supplies from Abacus for probably 2 or so
years now. Great prices and excellent service.
 
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Paul Montgomery

Paul,

I have been buying all my ink supplies from Abacus for probably 2 or so
years now. Great prices and excellent service.

I didn't check out the shipping cost. Fixed rate or what??

I use www.bulkinkjetcarts.com and they have a fixed charge of $6, so I
usually order a dozen or more cartridges at a time.
 
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fb

big said:
what a bunch of crap! You have 10 printers and scanners and yet you
insist on using Vista the crappy OS that
makes all your good hardware obsolete!

Liar! That is simply no true.
Try trashing Vista using real facts!
This should be good!...LOL!
 
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Steve Thackery

I strongly recommend the all-in-one machines from Canon. Having used all
the big names in the past, I would avoid HP because, although they make good
printers, their drivers and utility software are pretty crap.

I'm using the Canon Pixma MP780. It has a sheet feeder on the top, which is
really useful. It also has a built-in duplexer for automatic double-sided
printing (an expensive accessory on most of its competitors). Print and
scan quality is great, and it uses separate cartridges for each colour, so
you aren't throwing away unused ink.

The MP780 is no longer made, but it has been superseded by similar models.
I suggest you go to Canon's website and browse their "multifunctionals".

SteveT
 
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Steve Thackery

Vista is crap in a bucket without the bucket!
TRASH vista and install XP for PETES SAKE!!!!!

Poor boy! Never was very good with computers, were you? Now go and pick up
your toys and play with them nicely.

SteveT
 
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fb

big said:
keep it up thackery and you will joint a select group of very slimy and
stupid idiots,
the club of blind vista fanboys...

other slime ball members include Frank (chief idiot), yanaire, spanky de
monkey.
Do you realize what a complete fool you are making out of yourself in
here with your Vista hate campaign capin' crunch?
You do know that millions & millions of Vista users are very satisfied
with Vista and that number continues to grow each and every day.
You admit in public that you can't get Vista to run properly so you
blast it and those of us in here who like and use Vista with your hatred.
Or is this too complicated for a brainless twit like you to understand
and comprehend?
 
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fb

big said:
see bell curve in image below... don't feel bad if you are on the far
left side... frank is there too!
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Did your mummy help you draw that on your etch-a-sketch?...LOL!
 
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Ringmaster

Do you realize what a complete fool you are making out of yourself in
here with your Vista hate campaign capin' crunch?
You do know that millions & millions of Vista users are very satisfied
with Vista and that number continues to grow each and every day.
You admit in public that you can't get Vista to run properly so you
blast it and those of us in here who like and use Vista with your hatred.
Or is this too complicated for a brainless twit like you to understand
and comprehend?

Interesting fact. The insane often see others as crazy. This is
Frank's main problem. He sees himself as the sane one and everyone
else being nuts. Reporting FACTS and EXPERIENCES as several of us do
here to help people not yet familiar with Vista's many flaws isn't a
hate campaign. Only some diseased mentally unbalanced putz would come
to that ridiculous conclusion.

To Frank if you don't worship Microsoft like he does, you are the
enemy. Someone Frank tries to rationalize he has a right to attack, to
lie about using rumors, crude vulgar language and obscenities. That is
Frank's mission and Frank being a determined prick will spend most of
his day here acting out. The more Frank gets painted into a corner or
exposed as the dummy he is, the more obnoxious Frank becomes. That is
a pattern you see repeated in thread after thread.

Frank knows nothing of logic, reason or how to make a factual
argument. Like all bullies Frank immediately attacks the poster at the
personal level, usually lying about what the other guy said.

Frank obviously being stupid as well as probably insane has a limited
bag of tricks he repeatedly uses.

First Frank will attack the poster calling them a liar, drunk, pig,
thief, draft dodger, child molester or sheep fukker, Frank's favorite
put-down. Next Frank will dig into his bag of dirty tricks a little
deeper and pull out stupid expressions like capin' Crunch, (which the
idiot misspells) cardboard spaceship or you must work at a help desk.
Next Frank always calls the other guy stupid, always tries to make it
look like the other guy can't install Vista or get it to run
correctly. If none of that works, Frank simply lies his shit encrusted
ass off. Frank not having a creative bone in his body often steals
insults others have made and changes a few words around. Such is the
mental prowess of Frank, the putz.

Frank is the Walter Mitty of this newsgroup. He fancies himself rich,
handsome, powerful, all knowing and the most laughable a successful
business owner. All lies and stupid ones at that, but Frank doesn't
seem to get everyone sees right through is gross exaggerations. Frank
has mentioned all this repeatedly as well as other clumsy attempts to
elevate himself, always ending up embarrassed when the truth comes
out. Such is Frank, this newsgroup's main clown.
 
F

Frank

The truth about ringmaster, aka adam albright, aka executioner, aka mr
gotemeyer.


By PowerUser:
"Licentious. Obnoxious. Anti-democratic. In case you can't tell, I'm
making a direct reference to Mr. Adam Albright. Before I launch into my
main topic, I want to make a few matters crystal-clear: (1) Failure to
recognize this salient point will result in Adam's getting free reign to
enshrine irrational fears and fancies as truth, and (2) as a result of
that, my observations are perhaps unique. Now that you know where I
stand on those issues, I can safely say that wily cutthroats like Adam
are not born -- they are excreted. However unsavory that metaphor may
be, Adam acts as if he were King of the World. This hauteur is
astonishing, staggering, and mind-boggling. He truly believes that he
defends the real needs of the working class. It is just such
counter-productive megalomania, muddleheaded egoism, and intellectual
aberrancy that stirs Adam to carve out space in the mainstream for
ungrateful politics.

I want to draw two important conclusions from this. The first is that
Adam and his gofers are wolves in sheep's clothing who will create
profound emotional distress for people on both sides of the issue
eventually, and the second is that the justification he gave for seeking
to judge people by the color of their skin while ignoring the content of
their character was one of the most addlepated justifications I've ever
heard. It was so addlepated, in fact, that I will not repeat it here.
Even without hearing the details you can still see my point quite
clearly: Adam keeps telling everyone within earshot that honesty and
responsibility have no cash value and are therefore worthless. I'm
guessing that Adam read that on some Web site of dubious validity. More
reliable sources generally indicate that he isn't as smart as he thinks
he is. As an interesting experiment, try to point this out to
Adam. (You might want to don safety equipment first.) I think you'll
find that if he had even a shred of intellectual integrity, he'd admit
that he has no evidence or examples to back up his point. Still, I
recommend you check out some of his commentaries and draw your own
conclusions on the matter. Adam teaches workshops on clericalism.
Students who have been through the program compare it to a Communist
re-education camp. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to
repeat it. Of course, if Adam had learned anything from history, he'd
know that I challenge him to point out any text in this letter that
proposes that we ought to worship feckless mountebanks as folk heroes.
It isn't there. There's neither a hint nor a suggestion of such a thing.


We no longer have the luxury of indulging in universalist, altruistic
principles that, no matter how noble they may appear, have enabled the
most self-satisfied spouters I've ever seen to compose paeans to
irrationalism. Didn't Adam tell his comrades that he wants to make
people suspicious of those who speak the truth? Did he first give any
thought to what would happen if he did? Of course, that question is
ridiculous -- as ridiculous as his gormless platitudes. None but the
grotesque can deny that he says that the sun rises just for him. What he
means by this, of course, is that he wants free reign to threaten the
existence of human life, perhaps all life on the planet. I understand
that I become truly impatient with people who refuse to recognize the
key role that he is playing in the destruction of our civilization, but
from the fog and mist of his disquisitions rises the leering grimace of
nihilism. An equal but opposite observation is that I and Adam part
company when it comes to the issue of quislingism. He feels that
those who disagree with him should be cast into the outer darkness,
should be shunned, should starve, while I suspect that he needs to stop
living in a fool's paradise. But there's the rub; his idea of mutinous
autism is no political belief. It is a fierce and burning gospel of
hatred and intolerance, of murder and destruction, and the unloosing of
an irascible blood-lust. It is, in every sense, a doctrinaire and pagan
religion that incites its worshipers to an infernal frenzy and then
prompts them to precipitate riots.


Adam does not merely undermine the current world order. He does so
consciously, deliberately, willfully, and methodically. His undertakings
were never about tolerance and equality. That was just window dressing
for the "innocents". Rather, someone has been giving Adam's brain a very
thorough washing, and now Adam is trying to do the same to us. Several
things he has said have brought me to the boiling point. The statement
of his that made the strongest impression on me, however, was something
to the effect of how he is a refined gentleman with the soundest
education and morals you can imagine. Forgive me for boring you with all
the gory details, but Adam's hypocrisy is transparent. Even the least
discerning among us can see right through it.


It's easy to tell if Adam's lying. If his lips are moving, he's lying.
Although Adam demonstrates a great deal of ignorance and presumption
when he says that he commands an army of robots that live in the hollow
center of the earth and produce earthquakes whenever they feel like
shaking things up a bit on the surface, the fact remains that in order
to convince us that he has the authority to issue licenses for
practicing heathenism, Adam often turns to the old propagandist trick of
comparing results brought about by entirely dissimilar causes. Now that
you've read the bulk of this letter, it should not come as a complete
surprise that there can be no argument that when I first realized that
Mr. Adam Albright is a proponent of "paternalism" -- a term Adam uses
catachrestically in place of "Pyrrhonism" -- a cold shudder ran down my
back. However, this fact bears repeating again and again, until the
words crack through the hardened exteriors of those who would violate
the basic tenets of journalism and scholarship. I am referring, of
course, to the likes of Adam Albright."

Want to read more about this failed drunken accountant and big mouth
lying pig?
For your reading pleasure!

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=tYag3woAAABrYFiZuwWGCKzw8oMmJKS7

Enjoy!
I know I did!...LOL!
Frank
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Ken, What do you think of the laser color printers.


Sorry, I have no experience with them. I personally use a B&W laser
and a color inkjet.

My understanding however is the color lasers are fine for most things,
but not as good as inkjets for photos. And they are much less
expensive when it comes to consumables--ink and toner.
 

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