What do YOU expect from Vista SP1 ??

R

ray

Seeing as how you don't have a ray (pun intended) of hope of ever using
Vista I'd say your thoughts are totally irrelevant.
Peddle your linux crap somewhere else, ok?
Frank

Read the subject line frankie - he/she asked 'what do YOU expect from
vista' - I guess my expectations are as valid as anyone's. BTW - I have
used vista on the one machine at the local library running it. That one
has been up a couple of months - and, so far as I know, there have been no
major problems with it. Other posters in this news group seem not to have
fared so well.
 
I

Ian Betts

How many thousands if not millions already use Vista, they are not all on
this list. For gods sake do you really imagine this is the Vista world.
 
A

Adam Albright

Adam Albright wrote:



Often it is drivers. That's very common. Ask any Nvidia users. So what?


Someone forced someone to upgrade? I don't think so. But ranting in here
and not detailing the problem is well...a problem.


You are and we know it. We've all watched you do it so stop denying it.


Imply...well many times OP's don't know what they're are doing. A lot of
users thought Vista was just XP+eye-candy...and now find out it isn't.

You mean they cut & paste the answer?
So?
Frank

Thanks for confirming you just a village idiot, but it wasn't
necessary, we ALREADY knew that about you. <snicker>
 
A

Adam Albright

How many thousands if not millions already use Vista, they are not all on
this list. For gods sake do you really imagine this is the Vista world.

How do any of you clueless fanboys ever expect to have any
creditability if you don't even know the difference between some
"list" you keep referring to and THIS newsgroup that you're actually
posting to?

By the way, when you're speaking of God, you should capitalize His
name. See, I taught you something. ;-)
 
R

ray

How many thousands if not millions already use Vista, they are not all on
this list. For gods sake do you really imagine this is the Vista world.

I fully acknowledge that not every vista user in the world posts here. I
also realize that those with problems are more likely to post, seeking
aide, than those who are trouble free. BUT - I can only judge what I can
see, and I see a lot of problems here.
 
C

carl feredeck

shred your vista dvd into dust and mix with water..

drink daily for 2 weeks...

it will make you feel better!


 
F

Frank

ray said:
I fully acknowledge that not every vista user in the world posts here. I
also realize that those with problems are more likely to post, seeking
aide, than those who are trouble free. BUT - I can only judge what I can
see, and I see a lot of problems here.

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I guess you've never ventured into any linux ng and seen the same thing
right?
Give it up ray and go hawk your linux crap-ware somewhere else, ok?
Frank
 
D

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

Hello Juan,
Download and install the WAIK
http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsVista/en/library/129a1712-e3d8-46c1-bc0
9-a14349dc67db1033.mspx?mfr=true
You should be able to build a Windows Vista WinPE bootable CD\DVD from that.

As for the registry, it is backed up everyday to the
\windows\system32\config\regback folder.
So if the files are corrupted in \windows\system32\config, you could
manually copy them from the regback folder to the config folder.

There are the registry files that WinRE uses as part of it's recovery
methods if the registry cannot be loaded.
There are two copies maintained, the .old copies are older of the two
copies.

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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|> From: Juan I. Cahis <[email protected]>
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|> Subject: Re: What do YOU expect from Vista SP1 ??
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|> Dear Chad & friends:
|> Yes, I agree with many of your sayings, but tell me, where can we get
|> the WinPE environments from the absurd "Disk Recovery CDs"? That is
|> the point, I was telling of the XP Recovery Console as an example
|> only.
|> The issue is, how can you fix your Vista installation if you receive
|> the following message when booting: "Vista can not load because
|> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG\SYSTEM is corrupted"? And let suppose even
|> more, let suppose that you take a Registry backup every day, as I do
|> using ERUNT. What can you do with the "Disk Recovery CD"?
|> So, my plea is that Microsoft should provide us, the poor guys that
|> they allowed their OEMs to give us a "Disk Recovery CD" only instead
|> of the full bootable Vista DVD, for a tool to be able to boot in the
|> case of a Registry crash, independently if it is called WinPE, WinRE
|> or Recovery Console, and also independently if it comes on SP1 or if
|> we can download it from their site.
|> I will try to search for the previous postings of you relating this
|> issue in this group, of course!!!!!!!
|> "Chad Harris" <vistaneedsmuchowork.net> wrote:
|> >Dear Juan--
|> >
|> >There ain't no recovery console for Vista. It's as dead as Voldermort
is
|> >now. Maybe you could load the Recovery console onto Vista using the XP
CD,
|> >but having spent a lot of time with it, the RC is one of the most
|> >ineffective remedies in most peoples' hands, and even in the hands of
|> >advanced users, except for allowing you to run a chkdsk /r command
outside
|> >windows. The other dos commands are not of much use in the context of
|> >fixing Windows. I've posted about 10 ways to try to repair a
significantly
|> >broken or non-bootable(these aren't always the same) Vista about 200+
times
|> >in this group and the setup group as have others.
|> >
|> >Instead of the Recovery Console are the Win PE environments, and in my
|> >perception for fixing Vista the Win RE environments and other
modalities
|> >I've covered.
|> >
|> >
|> >CH
|> >
|> >A big shout out to Scootie Libby--the world's most gutless probationer.
|> >Scootie is a rich white American whose investment banker daddy left him
|> >millions and Tucker Carlson's rich daddy Richard a former local news
anchor,
|> >paid for Scootie's fine and his legal expenses.
|> >
|> >Don't be an indifferent American; stop the explosions that slaughter the
|> >children and families of your poorer members in Iraq. Those would be
the
|> >explosions you make sure your family doesn't get near.
|> >
|> >Welcome to apathetic America (home of Redmond, Washington) where the
|> >indifferent people get the Democracy they deserve:
|> >
|> >FRANK RICH: I Did Have Sexual Relations With That Woman
|> >New York 7/22/07
|> >
|> >IT'S not just the resurgence of Al Qaeda that is taking us back full
circle
|> >to the fateful first summer of the Bush presidency. It's the hot sweat
|> >emanating from Washington. Once again the capital is titillated by a
scandal
|> >featuring a member of Congress, a woman who is not his wife and a rumor
of
|> >crime. Gary Condit, the former Democratic congressman from California,
has
|> >passed the torch of below-the-Beltway sleaziness to David Vitter, an
|> >incumbent (as of Friday) Republican senator from Louisiana.
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >Mr. Vitter briefly faced the press to explain his "very serious sin,"
|> >accompanied by a wife who might double for the former Mrs. Jim
McGreevey. He
|> >had no choice once snoops hired by the avenging pornographer Larry Flynt
|> >unearthed his number in the voluminous phone records of the so-called
D.C.
|> >Madam, now the subject of a still-young criminal investigation.
Newspapers
|> >back home also linked the senator to a defunct New Orleans brothel, a
charge
|> >Mr. Vitter denies. That brothel's former madam, while insisting he had
been
|> >a client, was one of his few defenders last week. "Just because people
visit
|> >a whorehouse doesn't make them a bad person," she helpfully told the
Baton
|> >Rouge paper, The Advocate.
|> >
|> >
|> >Mr. Vitter is not known for being so forgiving a soul when it comes to
|> >others' transgressions. Even more than Mr. Condit, who once
co-sponsored a
|> >bill calling for the display of the Ten Commandments in public
buildings,
|> >Mr. Vitter is a holier-than-thou family-values panderer. He recruited
his
|> >preteen children for speaking roles in his campaign ads and, terrorism
|> >notwithstanding, declared that there is no "more important" issue facing
|> >America than altering the Constitution to defend marriage.
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >But hypocrisy is a hardy bipartisan perennial on Capitol Hill, and
hardly
|> >news. This scandal may leave a more enduring imprint. It comes with a
|> >momentous pedigree. Mr. Vitter first went to Washington as a young
|> >congressman in 1999, to replace Robert Livingston, the Republican
leader who
|> >had been anointed to succeed Newt Gingrich as speaker of the House. Mr.
|> >Livingston's seat had abruptly become vacant after none other than Mr.
Flynt
|> >outed him for committing adultery. Since we now know that Mr. Gingrich
was
|> >also practicing infidelity back then - while leading the Clinton
impeachment
|> >crusade, no less - the Vitter scandal can be seen as the culmination of
an
|> >inexorable sea change in his party.
|> >
|> >
|> >And it is President Bush who will be left holding the bag in history.
As the
|> >new National Intelligence Estimate confirms the failure of the war
against
|> >Al Qaeda and each day of quagmire signals the failure of the war in
Iraq, so
|> >the case of the fallen senator from the Big Easy can stand as an
epitaph for
|> >a third lost war in our 43rd president's legacy: the war against sex.
|> >
|> >
|> >During the 2000 campaign, Mr. Bush and his running mate made a point of
|> >promising to "set an example for our children" and to "uphold the honor
and
|> >the dignity of the office." They didn't just mean that there would be no
|> >more extramarital sex in the White House. As a matter of public policy,
|> >abstinence was in; abortion rights, family planning and homosexuality
were
|> >out. Mr. Bush's Federal Communications Commission stood ready to punish
the
|> >networks for four-letter words and wardrobe malfunctions. The surgeon
|> >general was forbidden to mention condoms or the morning-after pill.
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >To say that this ambitious program has fared no better than the
creation of
|> >an Iraqi unity government is an understatement. The sole lasting
benchmark
|> >to be met in the Bush White House's antisex agenda was the elevation of
|> >anti-Roe judges to the federal bench. Otherwise, Sodom and Gomorrah are
|> >thrashing the Family Research Council and the Traditional Values
Coalition
|> >day and night.
|> >
|> >
|> >The one federal official caught on the D.C. Madam's phone logs ahead of
Mr.
|> >Vitter, Randall Tobias, was a Bush State Department official whose
tasks had
|> >included enforcing a prostitution ban on countries receiving AIDS aid.
Last
|> >month Rupert Murdoch's Fox network succeeded in getting a federal court
to
|> >throw out the F.C.C.'s "indecency" fines. Polls show unchanging majority
|> >support for abortion rights and growing support for legal recognition of
|> >same-sex unions exemplified by Mary Cheney's.
|> >
|> >
|> >Most amazing is the cultural makeover of Mr. Bush's own party. The
G.O.P.
|> >that began the century in the thrall of Rick Santorum, Bill Frist and
George
|> >Allen has become the brand of Mark Foley and Mr. Vitter. Not a single
|> >Republican heavyweight showed up at Jerry Falwell's funeral. Younger
|> >evangelical Christians, who may care more about protecting the
environment
|> >than policing gay people, are up for political grabs.
|> >
|> >
|> >Nowhere is this cultural revolution more visible - or more fun to watch
-
|> >than in the G.O.P. campaign for the White House. Forty years late, the
party
|> >establishment is finally having its own middle-aged version of the
summer of
|> >love, and it's a trip. The co-chairman of John McCain's campaign in
Florida
|> >has been charged with trying to solicit gay sex from a plainclothes
police
|> >officer. Over at YouTube, viewers are flocking to a popular new
mock-music
|> >video in which "Obama Girl" taunts her rival: "Giuliani Girl, you stop
your
|> >fussin'/ At least Obama didn't marry his cousin."
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >As Margery Eagan, a columnist at The Boston Herald, has observed, even
the
|> >front-runners' wives are getting into the act, trying to one-up one
another
|> >with displays of what she described as their "ample and aging"
cleavage. The
|> >décolletage primary was kicked off early this year by the irrepressible
|> >Judith Giuliani, who posed for Harper's Bazaar giving her husband a
|> >passionate kiss. "I've always liked strong, macho men," she said. This
was
|> >before we learned she had married two such men, not one, before
catching the
|> >eye of America's Mayor at Club Macanudo, an Upper East Side cigar bar,
while
|> >he was still married to someone else.
|> >
|> >
|> >Whatever the ultimate fate of Rudy Giuliani's campaign, it is the straw
that
|> >stirs the bubbling brew that is the post-Bush Republican Party. The idea
|> >that a thrice-married, pro-abortion rights, pro-gay rights candidate is
|> >holding on as front-runner is understandably driving the G.O.P.'s
|> >increasingly marginalized cultural warriors insane. Not without reason
do
|> >they fear that he is in the vanguard of a new Republican age of
|> >Addams-family values and moral relativism. Once a truculent
law-and-order
|> >absolutist, Mr. Giuliani has even shrugged off the cocaine charges
leveled
|> >against his departed South Carolina campaign chairman, the state
treasurer
|> >Thomas Ravenel, as a "highly personal" matter.
|> >
|> >
|> >The religious right's own favorite sons, Sam Brownback and Mike
Huckabee,
|> >are no more likely to get the nomination than Ron Paul or, for that
matter,
|> >RuPaul. The party's faith-based oligarchs are getting frantic.
Disregarding
|> >a warning from James Dobson of Focus on the Family, who said in March
that
|> >he didn't consider Fred Thompson a Christian, they desperately started
|> >fixating on the former Tennessee senator as their savior. When it was
|> >reported this month that Mr. Thompson had worked as a lobbyist for an
|> >abortion rights organization in the 1990s, they credulously bought his
|> >denials and his spokesman's reassurance that "there's no documents to
prove
|> >it, no billing records." Last week The New York Times found the billing
|> >records.
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >No one is stepping more boldly into this values vacuum than Mitt
Romney. In
|> >contrast to Mr. Giuliani, the former Massachusetts governor has not only
|> >disowned his past as a social liberal but is also running as a paragon
of
|> >moral rectitude. He is even embracing one of the more costly failed
Bush sex
|> >initiatives, abstinence education, just as states are abandoning it for
|> >being ineffective. He never stops reminding voters that he is the only
|> >top-tier candidate still married to his first wife.
|> >
|> >
|> >In a Web video strikingly reminiscent of the Vitter campaign ads, the
entire
|> >multigenerational Romney brood gathers round to enact their wholesome
|> >Christmas festivities. Last week Mr. Romney unveiled a new commercial
|> >decrying American culture as "a cesspool of violence, and sex, and
drugs,
|> >and indolence, and perversions." Unlike Mr. Giuliani, you see, he gets
along
|> >with his children, and unlike Mr. Thompson, he has never been in bed
with
|> >the perverted Hollywood responsible for the likes of "Law & Order."
|> >
|> >
|> >There are those who argue Mr. Romney's campaign is doomed because he is
a
|> >Mormon, a religion some voters regard almost as suspiciously as
Scientology,
|> >but two other problems may prove more threatening to his candidacy. The
|> >first is that in American public life piety always goeth before a fall.
|> >There had better not be any skeletons in his closet. Already Senator
|> >Brownback has accused Mr. Romney of pushing hard-core pornography
because of
|> >his close association with (and large campaign contributions from) the
|> >Marriott family, whose hotel chain has prospered mightily from its
X-rated
|> >video menu.
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >The other problem is more profound: Mr. Romney is swimming against a
swift
|> >tide of history in both culture and politics. Just as the neocons had
their
|> >moment in power in the Bush era and squandered it in Iraq, so the values
|> >crowd was handed its moment of ascendancy and imploded in debacles
ranging
|> >from Terri Schiavo to Ted Haggard to David Vitter. By this point it's
safe
|> >to say that even some Republican primary voters are sick enough of their
|> >party's preacher politicians that they'd consider hitting a cigar bar
or two
|> >with Judith Giuliani.
|> >___________________________________
|> >
|> >MAUREEN DOWD: A Woman Who's Man Enough
|> >WASHINGTON 7/22/07
|> >
|> >Things are getting confusing out there in Genderville.
|> >
|> >We have the ordinarily poker-faced secretary of defense crying over
young
|> >Americans killed in Iraq.
|> >
|> >We have The Washington Post reporting that Hillary Clinton came to the
floor
|> >of the Senate in a top that put "cleavage on display Wednesday
afternoon on
|> >C-SPAN2."
|> >
|> >We have Mitt Romney spending $300 for makeup appointments at Hidden
Beauty,
|> >a mobile men's grooming spa, before the California debate, even though
NBC
|> >would surely have powdered his nose for free.
|> >
|> >We have Elizabeth Edwards on a tear of being more assertive than her
|> >husband. She argued that John Edwards is a better advocate for women
than
|> >Hillary, explaining that her own experience as a lawyer taught her that
|> >"sometimes you feel you have to behave as a man and not talk about
women's
|> >issues."
|> >
|> >We have Bill Clinton, who says he'd want to be known as First Laddie,
|> >defending his woman by saying, "I don't think she's trying to be a man."
|> >
|> >We have The Times reporting that Hillary's campaign is quizzical about
why
|> >so many women who are like Hillary - married, high income, professional
|> >types - don't like her. A Times/CBS News poll shows that women view her
more
|> >favorably than men, but she has a problem with her own demographic and
some
|> >older women resistant to "a lady president" from the land of women's
lib.
|> >
|> >In a huge step forward for her, The Times said that "all of those
polled -
|> >both women and men - said they thought Mrs. Clinton would be an
effective
|> >commander in chief."
|> >
|> >So gender isn't Hillary's biggest problem. Those who don't like her
said it
|> >was because they don't trust her, or don't like her values, or think
she's
|> >too politically expedient or phony.
|> >
|> >There is a dread out there about 28 years of Bush-Clinton rule. But most
|> >people are not worried about Hillary's ability to be strong. Anyone who
can
|> >cast herself as a feminist icon while leading the attack on her
husband's
|> >mistresses, anyone who thinks eight years of presidential pillow talk
|> >qualifies her for the presidential pillow, is plenty tough enough to
smack
|> >around dictators, and other Democrats.
|> >
|> >John Edwards and Barack Obama often seem more delicate and concerned
with
|> >looking pretty than Hillary does. Though the tallest candidate usually
has
|> >the advantage, Hillary has easily dominated the debates without even
wearing
|> >towering heels.
|> >
|> >When she wrote to Bob Gates asking about the Pentagon's plans to get
out of
|> >Iraq, it took eight weeks for an under secretary, Eric Edelman, to send
a
|> >scalding reply, suggesting that she was abetting enemy propaganda. But
Mrs.
|> >Clinton hit back with a tart letter to Secretary Gates on Friday and
scored
|> >something of a victory, since he issued a statement that did not back
up his
|> >own creep.
|> >
|> >Maybe Hillary has had her tear ducts removed. If she acted like a sob
sister
|> >on the war the way Mr. Gates did, her critics would have a field day.
|> >
|> >Even in an era when male politicians can mist up with impunity, it was
|> >startling to see the defense chief melt down at a Marine Corps dinner
|> >Wednesday night as he talked about writing notes every evening to the
|> >families of dead soldiers like Douglas Zembiec, a heroic Marine
commander
|> >known as "the Lion of Falluja," who died in Baghdad in May after giving
up a
|> >Pentagon job to go on a fourth tour of Iraq. "They are not names on a
press
|> >release or numbers updated on a Web page," he said. "They are our
country's
|> >sons and daughters."
|> >
|> >The dramatic moment was disconcerting, because Mr. Gates, known as a
decent
|> >guy who was leery of the Bushies' black-and-white, bullying worldview,
has
|> >clearly been worn down by his effort to sort out the Iraq debacle. He
and
|> >Condi, who worked together under Bush I, have been trying to circumvent
the
|> >vice president to close Gitmo without much success, while the president
|> >finds ingenious new ways to allow torture.
|> >
|> >Mostly, though, it was moving - a relief to see a top official
acknowledge
|> >the awful cost of this war. The arrogant Rummy was dismissive. The
obtuse W.
|> >seems incapable of understanding how inappropriate his sunny spirits
are.
|> >And the callous Cheney's robo-aggression continues unabated. (What
could be
|> >more nerve-racking than the thought of President Cheney, slated to
happen
|> >for a couple of hours yesterday while Mr. Bush had a colonoscopy? Could
it
|> >be - a Medal of Freedom for Scooter?)
|> >
|> >Mr. Gates captured the sadness we feel about American kids trapped in a
|> >desert waiting to be blown up, sent there by men who once refused to go
to a
|> >warped war themselves.
|> >
|> >
|>
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|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >|> >Dear Henry and friends:
|> >
|> >I expect that Microsoft delivers the possibility to all, to boot to an
|> >equivalent to the old XP "Recovery Console", in order to survive to
|> >some Registry related crashes. This is essential for all the poor guys
|> >like me, that received some un-useful "Hard Disk Recovery CDs" from
|> >their computer manufacturers, instead of a bootable Vista DVD.
|> >
|> >
|> >>Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in
|> >>file size nearly a re-install. Those rewrites have benefited
|> >>from an infinity of combinations of hardware, software, user
|> >>settings/errors, and from an army of professional malware
|> >>defenders fighting guerrillas who attack vulnerabilities just
|> >>for the fun of it.
|> >>
|> >>Considering past SPs, I wonder what Vista SP1 will include.
|> >>
|> >>My guess is that SP1 will not add much in the way of security,
|> >>but will push it further into the background and less intrusive.
|> >>Perhaps massive usage data will enable security functions to be
|> >>safely trimmed and made faster for most.
|> >>
|> >>Will SP1 add stability? Vista overall seems to be very stable
|> >>for most, though - again - perhaps massive usage data will
|> >>support further stability enhancements.
|> >>
|> >>What about functionality? I've seen interest in capabilities not
|> >>available from the present Vista - perhaps some will be added
|> >>once usage data suggests it's safe to do so.
|> >>
|> >>And speed? Well, my Vista installation is as fast as XP Pro, but
|> >>everyone wants more speed. I think this is a primary goal for
|> >>Microsoft, who knows that consumers want faster operation -
|> >>particularly boot and shutdown times. The only thing worse than
|> >>"slow" is "STOP!", so there are pauses throughout Vista to
|> >>permit checks and cross-checks. Experience will permit
|> >>streamlining of such precautions and I therefore expect Vista
|> >>SP1 to "take off".
|> >>
|> >>Microsoft collects massive data because most computers call
|> >>home, and MS information collectors watch discussions, monitor
|> >>corporate usage, are intimate with major software companies, and
|> >>collect information from professional repair services. With all
|> >>that since Vista was released, I'd guess that plans for SP1 are
|> >>pretty firm by now.
|> >>
|> >>What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?
|> >>
|> >>And, of course, when do you think SP1 will be released to
|> >>non-Betaphiles like me?
|> >>
|> >>Henry
|> >>
|> >>-------------------
|> >>PS
|> >>Though Microsoft bashing is an international sport, it's one of
|> >>the world's most successful companies and a monument to American
|> >>entrepreneurism and brainpower (credit goes to the Israeli
|> >>Microsoft groups for much of the latter). Such companies as
|> >>Microsoft, Boeing, Walmart, Dell, Exxon, Verizon, and GE take a
|> >>lot of heat, but I admire and respect such achievement.
|> >Thanks
|> >Juan I. Cahis
|> >Santiago de Chile (South America)
|> >Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
|> Thanks
|> Juan I. Cahis
|> Santiago de Chile (South America)
|> Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
|>
 
R

ray

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I guess you've never ventured into any linux ng and seen the same thing
right?
Give it up ray and go hawk your linux crap-ware somewhere else, ok?
Frank

Geez frankie, I know you have comprehension problems, but this is really
getting ridiculous. Please note all occurances of my posts in this thread
in which I mentioned Linux. I have not, at all - you bring the subject up
and accuse me of peddling. Really frankie, can't you READ???
 
A

Adam Albright

Geez frankie, I know you have comprehension problems, but this is really
getting ridiculous. Please note all occurances of my posts in this thread
in which I mentioned Linux. I have not, at all - you bring the subject up
and accuse me of peddling. Really frankie, can't you READ???

Frankie is in a permanent delusional state where he sees everyone not
worshiping Microsoft like he does as some Linux troll.
 
F

Frank

ray said:
Geez frankie, I know you have comprehension problems, but this is really
getting ridiculous. Please note all occurances of my posts in this thread
in which I mentioned Linux. I have not, at all - you bring the subject up
and accuse me of peddling. Really frankie, can't you READ???

What are you ashamed of ray...the truth? It's not like you can now start
to hide the fact that you're peddling linux in this Vista ng, or are you
now denying that fact?
Well...?
And spare me the comprehension dance...you're not that good on your feet.
Frank
 
J

Juan I. Cahis

Thanks a lot, Darrell, but are you sure that I will not need the Vista
DVD also to build the WAIK? Remmber that my hardware manufacturer
provided me only with the dummy "Disk Recovery CDs". That is the main
problem for all of us.

Hello Juan,
Download and install the WAIK
http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsVista/en/library/129a1712-e3d8-46c1-bc0
9-a14349dc67db1033.mspx?mfr=true
You should be able to build a Windows Vista WinPE bootable CD\DVD from that.

As for the registry, it is backed up everyday to the
\windows\system32\config\regback folder.
So if the files are corrupted in \windows\system32\config, you could
manually copy them from the regback folder to the config folder.

There are the registry files that WinRE uses as part of it's recovery
methods if the registry cannot be loaded.
There are two copies maintained, the .old copies are older of the two
copies.

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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|> Dear Chad & friends:
|> Yes, I agree with many of your sayings, but tell me, where can we get
|> the WinPE environments from the absurd "Disk Recovery CDs"? That is
|> the point, I was telling of the XP Recovery Console as an example
|> only.
|> The issue is, how can you fix your Vista installation if you receive
|> the following message when booting: "Vista can not load because
|> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG\SYSTEM is corrupted"? And let suppose even
|> more, let suppose that you take a Registry backup every day, as I do
|> using ERUNT. What can you do with the "Disk Recovery CD"?
|> So, my plea is that Microsoft should provide us, the poor guys that
|> they allowed their OEMs to give us a "Disk Recovery CD" only instead
|> of the full bootable Vista DVD, for a tool to be able to boot in the
|> case of a Registry crash, independently if it is called WinPE, WinRE
|> or Recovery Console, and also independently if it comes on SP1 or if
|> we can download it from their site.
|> I will try to search for the previous postings of you relating this
|> issue in this group, of course!!!!!!!
|> "Chad Harris" <vistaneedsmuchowork.net> wrote:
|> >Dear Juan--
|> >
|> >There ain't no recovery console for Vista. It's as dead as Voldermort
is
|> >now. Maybe you could load the Recovery console onto Vista using theXP
CD,
|> >but having spent a lot of time with it, the RC is one of the most
|> >ineffective remedies in most peoples' hands, and even in the hands of
|> >advanced users, except for allowing you to run a chkdsk /r command
outside
|> >windows. The other dos commands are not of much use in the context of
|> >fixing Windows. I've posted about 10 ways to try to repair a
significantly
|> >broken or non-bootable(these aren't always the same) Vista about 200+
times
|> >in this group and the setup group as have others.
|> >
|> >Instead of the Recovery Console are the Win PE environments, and in my
|> >perception for fixing Vista the Win RE environments and other
modalities
|> >I've covered.
|> >
|> >
|> >CH
|> >
|> >A big shout out to Scootie Libby--the world's most gutless probationer.
|> >Scootie is a rich white American whose investment banker daddy left him
|> >millions and Tucker Carlson's rich daddy Richard a former local news
anchor,
|> >paid for Scootie's fine and his legal expenses.
|> >
|> >Don't be an indifferent American; stop the explosions that slaughterthe
|> >children and families of your poorer members in Iraq. Those would be
the
|> >explosions you make sure your family doesn't get near.
|> >
|> >Welcome to apathetic America (home of Redmond, Washington) where the
|> >indifferent people get the Democracy they deserve:
|> >
|> >FRANK RICH: I Did Have Sexual Relations With That Woman
|> >New York 7/22/07
|> >
|> >IT'S not just the resurgence of Al Qaeda that is taking us back full
circle
|> >to the fateful first summer of the Bush presidency. It's the hot sweat
|> >emanating from Washington. Once again the capital is titillated by a
scandal
|> >featuring a member of Congress, a woman who is not his wife and a rumor
of
|> >crime. Gary Condit, the former Democratic congressman from California,
has
|> >passed the torch of below-the-Beltway sleaziness to David Vitter, an
|> >incumbent (as of Friday) Republican senator from Louisiana.
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >Mr. Vitter briefly faced the press to explain his "very serious sin,"
|> >accompanied by a wife who might double for the former Mrs. Jim
McGreevey. He
|> >had no choice once snoops hired by the avenging pornographer Larry Flynt
|> >unearthed his number in the voluminous phone records of the so-called
D.C.
|> >Madam, now the subject of a still-young criminal investigation.
Newspapers
|> >back home also linked the senator to a defunct New Orleans brothel, a
charge
|> >Mr. Vitter denies. That brothel's former madam, while insisting he had
been
|> >a client, was one of his few defenders last week. "Just because people
visit
|> >a whorehouse doesn't make them a bad person," she helpfully told the
Baton
|> >Rouge paper, The Advocate.
|> >
|> >
|> >Mr. Vitter is not known for being so forgiving a soul when it comes to
|> >others' transgressions. Even more than Mr. Condit, who once
co-sponsored a
|> >bill calling for the display of the Ten Commandments in public
buildings,
|> >Mr. Vitter is a holier-than-thou family-values panderer. He recruited
his
|> >preteen children for speaking roles in his campaign ads and, terrorism
|> >notwithstanding, declared that there is no "more important" issue facing
|> >America than altering the Constitution to defend marriage.
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >But hypocrisy is a hardy bipartisan perennial on Capitol Hill, and
hardly
|> >news. This scandal may leave a more enduring imprint. It comes with a
|> >momentous pedigree. Mr. Vitter first went to Washington as a young
|> >congressman in 1999, to replace Robert Livingston, the Republican
leader who
|> >had been anointed to succeed Newt Gingrich as speaker of the House. Mr.
|> >Livingston's seat had abruptly become vacant after none other than Mr.
Flynt
|> >outed him for committing adultery. Since we now know that Mr. Gingrich
was
|> >also practicing infidelity back then - while leading the Clinton
impeachment
|> >crusade, no less - the Vitter scandal can be seen as the culminationof
an
|> >inexorable sea change in his party.
|> >
|> >
|> >And it is President Bush who will be left holding the bag in history.
As the
|> >new National Intelligence Estimate confirms the failure of the war
against
|> >Al Qaeda and each day of quagmire signals the failure of the war in
Iraq, so
|> >the case of the fallen senator from the Big Easy can stand as an
epitaph for
|> >a third lost war in our 43rd president's legacy: the war against sex.
|> >
|> >
|> >During the 2000 campaign, Mr. Bush and his running mate made a pointof
|> >promising to "set an example for our children" and to "uphold the honor
and
|> >the dignity of the office." They didn't just mean that there would be no
|> >more extramarital sex in the White House. As a matter of public policy,
|> >abstinence was in; abortion rights, family planning and homosexuality
were
|> >out. Mr. Bush's Federal Communications Commission stood ready to punish
the
|> >networks for four-letter words and wardrobe malfunctions. The surgeon
|> >general was forbidden to mention condoms or the morning-after pill.
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >To say that this ambitious program has fared no better than the
creation of
|> >an Iraqi unity government is an understatement. The sole lasting
benchmark
|> >to be met in the Bush White House's antisex agenda was the elevationof
|> >anti-Roe judges to the federal bench. Otherwise, Sodom and Gomorrah are
|> >thrashing the Family Research Council and the Traditional Values
Coalition
|> >day and night.
|> >
|> >
|> >The one federal official caught on the D.C. Madam's phone logs aheadof
Mr.
|> >Vitter, Randall Tobias, was a Bush State Department official whose
tasks had
|> >included enforcing a prostitution ban on countries receiving AIDS aid.
Last
|> >month Rupert Murdoch's Fox network succeeded in getting a federal court
to
|> >throw out the F.C.C.'s "indecency" fines. Polls show unchanging majority
|> >support for abortion rights and growing support for legal recognition of
|> >same-sex unions exemplified by Mary Cheney's.
|> >
|> >
|> >Most amazing is the cultural makeover of Mr. Bush's own party. The
G.O.P.
|> >that began the century in the thrall of Rick Santorum, Bill Frist and
George
|> >Allen has become the brand of Mark Foley and Mr. Vitter. Not a single
|> >Republican heavyweight showed up at Jerry Falwell's funeral. Younger
|> >evangelical Christians, who may care more about protecting the
environment
|> >than policing gay people, are up for political grabs.
|> >
|> >
|> >Nowhere is this cultural revolution more visible - or more fun to watch
-
|> >than in the G.O.P. campaign for the White House. Forty years late, the
party
|> >establishment is finally having its own middle-aged version of the
summer of
|> >love, and it's a trip. The co-chairman of John McCain's campaign in
Florida
|> >has been charged with trying to solicit gay sex from a plainclothes
police
|> >officer. Over at YouTube, viewers are flocking to a popular new
mock-music
|> >video in which "Obama Girl" taunts her rival: "Giuliani Girl, you stop
your
|> >fussin'/ At least Obama didn't marry his cousin."
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >As Margery Eagan, a columnist at The Boston Herald, has observed, even
the
|> >front-runners' wives are getting into the act, trying to one-up one
another
|> >with displays of what she described as their "ample and aging"
cleavage. The
|> >décolletage primary was kicked off early this year by the irrepressible
|> >Judith Giuliani, who posed for Harper's Bazaar giving her husband a
|> >passionate kiss. "I've always liked strong, macho men," she said. This
was
|> >before we learned she had married two such men, not one, before
catching the
|> >eye of America's Mayor at Club Macanudo, an Upper East Side cigar bar,
while
|> >he was still married to someone else.
|> >
|> >
|> >Whatever the ultimate fate of Rudy Giuliani's campaign, it is the straw
that
|> >stirs the bubbling brew that is the post-Bush Republican Party. The idea
|> >that a thrice-married, pro-abortion rights, pro-gay rights candidateis
|> >holding on as front-runner is understandably driving the G.O.P.'s
|> >increasingly marginalized cultural warriors insane. Not without reason
do
|> >they fear that he is in the vanguard of a new Republican age of
|> >Addams-family values and moral relativism. Once a truculent
law-and-order
|> >absolutist, Mr. Giuliani has even shrugged off the cocaine charges
leveled
|> >against his departed South Carolina campaign chairman, the state
treasurer
|> >Thomas Ravenel, as a "highly personal" matter.
|> >
|> >
|> >The religious right's own favorite sons, Sam Brownback and Mike
Huckabee,
|> >are no more likely to get the nomination than Ron Paul or, for that
matter,
|> >RuPaul. The party's faith-based oligarchs are getting frantic.
Disregarding
|> >a warning from James Dobson of Focus on the Family, who said in March
that
|> >he didn't consider Fred Thompson a Christian, they desperately started
|> >fixating on the former Tennessee senator as their savior. When it was
|> >reported this month that Mr. Thompson had worked as a lobbyist for an
|> >abortion rights organization in the 1990s, they credulously bought his
|> >denials and his spokesman's reassurance that "there's no documents to
prove
|> >it, no billing records." Last week The New York Times found the billing
|> >records.
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >No one is stepping more boldly into this values vacuum than Mitt
Romney. In
|> >contrast to Mr. Giuliani, the former Massachusetts governor has not only
|> >disowned his past as a social liberal but is also running as a paragon
of
|> >moral rectitude. He is even embracing one of the more costly failed
Bush sex
|> >initiatives, abstinence education, just as states are abandoning it for
|> >being ineffective. He never stops reminding voters that he is the only
|> >top-tier candidate still married to his first wife.
|> >
|> >
|> >In a Web video strikingly reminiscent of the Vitter campaign ads, the
entire
|> >multigenerational Romney brood gathers round to enact their wholesome
|> >Christmas festivities. Last week Mr. Romney unveiled a new commercial
|> >decrying American culture as "a cesspool of violence, and sex, and
drugs,
|> >and indolence, and perversions." Unlike Mr. Giuliani, you see, he gets
along
|> >with his children, and unlike Mr. Thompson, he has never been in bed
with
|> >the perverted Hollywood responsible for the likes of "Law & Order."
|> >
|> >
|> >There are those who argue Mr. Romney's campaign is doomed because heis
a
|> >Mormon, a religion some voters regard almost as suspiciously as
Scientology,
|> >but two other problems may prove more threatening to his candidacy. The
|> >first is that in American public life piety always goeth before a fall.
|> >There had better not be any skeletons in his closet. Already Senator
|> >Brownback has accused Mr. Romney of pushing hard-core pornography
because of
|> >his close association with (and large campaign contributions from) the
|> >Marriott family, whose hotel chain has prospered mightily from its
X-rated
|> >video menu.
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >The other problem is more profound: Mr. Romney is swimming against a
swift
|> >tide of history in both culture and politics. Just as the neocons had
their
|> >moment in power in the Bush era and squandered it in Iraq, so the values
|> >crowd was handed its moment of ascendancy and imploded in debacles
ranging
|> >from Terri Schiavo to Ted Haggard to David Vitter. By this point it's
safe
|> >to say that even some Republican primary voters are sick enough of their
|> >party's preacher politicians that they'd consider hitting a cigar bar
or two
|> >with Judith Giuliani.
|> >___________________________________
|> >
|> >MAUREEN DOWD: A Woman Who's Man Enough
|> >WASHINGTON 7/22/07
|> >
|> >Things are getting confusing out there in Genderville.
|> >
|> >We have the ordinarily poker-faced secretary of defense crying over
young
|> >Americans killed in Iraq.
|> >
|> >We have The Washington Post reporting that Hillary Clinton came to the
floor
|> >of the Senate in a top that put "cleavage on display Wednesday
afternoon on
|> >C-SPAN2."
|> >
|> >We have Mitt Romney spending $300 for makeup appointments at Hidden
Beauty,
|> >a mobile men's grooming spa, before the California debate, even though
NBC
|> >would surely have powdered his nose for free.
|> >
|> >We have Elizabeth Edwards on a tear of being more assertive than her
|> >husband. She argued that John Edwards is a better advocate for women
than
|> >Hillary, explaining that her own experience as a lawyer taught her that
|> >"sometimes you feel you have to behave as a man and not talk about
women's
|> >issues."
|> >
|> >We have Bill Clinton, who says he'd want to be known as First Laddie,
|> >defending his woman by saying, "I don't think she's trying to be a man."
|> >
|> >We have The Times reporting that Hillary's campaign is quizzical about
why
|> >so many women who are like Hillary - married, high income, professional
|> >types - don't like her. A Times/CBS News poll shows that women view her
more
|> >favorably than men, but she has a problem with her own demographic and
some
|> >older women resistant to "a lady president" from the land of women's
lib.
|> >
|> >In a huge step forward for her, The Times said that "all of those
polled -
|> >both women and men - said they thought Mrs. Clinton would be an
effective
|> >commander in chief."
|> >
|> >So gender isn't Hillary's biggest problem. Those who don't like her
said it
|> >was because they don't trust her, or don't like her values, or think
she's
|> >too politically expedient or phony.
|> >
|> >There is a dread out there about 28 years of Bush-Clinton rule. But most
|> >people are not worried about Hillary's ability to be strong. Anyone who
can
|> >cast herself as a feminist icon while leading the attack on her
husband's
|> >mistresses, anyone who thinks eight years of presidential pillow talk
|> >qualifies her for the presidential pillow, is plenty tough enough to
smack
|> >around dictators, and other Democrats.
|> >
|> >John Edwards and Barack Obama often seem more delicate and concerned
with
|> >looking pretty than Hillary does. Though the tallest candidate usually
has
|> >the advantage, Hillary has easily dominated the debates without even
wearing
|> >towering heels.
|> >
|> >When she wrote to Bob Gates asking about the Pentagon's plans to get
out of
|> >Iraq, it took eight weeks for an under secretary, Eric Edelman, to send
a
|> >scalding reply, suggesting that she was abetting enemy propaganda. But
Mrs.
|> >Clinton hit back with a tart letter to Secretary Gates on Friday and
scored
|> >something of a victory, since he issued a statement that did not back
up his
|> >own creep.
|> >
|> >Maybe Hillary has had her tear ducts removed. If she acted like a sob
sister
|> >on the war the way Mr. Gates did, her critics would have a field day.
|> >
|> >Even in an era when male politicians can mist up with impunity, it was
|> >startling to see the defense chief melt down at a Marine Corps dinner
|> >Wednesday night as he talked about writing notes every evening to the
|> >families of dead soldiers like Douglas Zembiec, a heroic Marine
commander
|> >known as "the Lion of Falluja," who died in Baghdad in May after giving
up a
|> >Pentagon job to go on a fourth tour of Iraq. "They are not names on a
press
|> >release or numbers updated on a Web page," he said. "They are our
country's
|> >sons and daughters."
|> >
|> >The dramatic moment was disconcerting, because Mr. Gates, known as a
decent
|> >guy who was leery of the Bushies' black-and-white, bullying worldview,
has
|> >clearly been worn down by his effort to sort out the Iraq debacle. He
and
|> >Condi, who worked together under Bush I, have been trying to circumvent
the
|> >vice president to close Gitmo without much success, while the president
|> >finds ingenious new ways to allow torture.
|> >
|> >Mostly, though, it was moving - a relief to see a top official
acknowledge
|> >the awful cost of this war. The arrogant Rummy was dismissive. The
obtuse W.
|> >seems incapable of understanding how inappropriate his sunny spirits
are.
|> >And the callous Cheney's robo-aggression continues unabated. (What
could be
|> >more nerve-racking than the thought of President Cheney, slated to
happen
|> >for a couple of hours yesterday while Mr. Bush had a colonoscopy? Could
it
|> >be - a Medal of Freedom for Scooter?)
|> >
|> >Mr. Gates captured the sadness we feel about American kids trapped in a
|> >desert waiting to be blown up, sent there by men who once refused togo
to a
|> >warped war themselves.
|> >
|> >
|>
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|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >|> >Dear Henry and friends:
|> >
|> >I expect that Microsoft delivers the possibility to all, to boot to an
|> >equivalent to the old XP "Recovery Console", in order to survive to
|> >some Registry related crashes. This is essential for all the poor guys
|> >like me, that received some un-useful "Hard Disk Recovery CDs" from
|> >their computer manufacturers, instead of a bootable Vista DVD.
|> >
|> >
|> >>Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in
|> >>file size nearly a re-install. Those rewrites have benefited
|> >>from an infinity of combinations of hardware, software, user
|> >>settings/errors, and from an army of professional malware
|> >>defenders fighting guerrillas who attack vulnerabilities just
|> >>for the fun of it.
|> >>
|> >>Considering past SPs, I wonder what Vista SP1 will include.
|> >>
|> >>My guess is that SP1 will not add much in the way of security,
|> >>but will push it further into the background and less intrusive.
|> >>Perhaps massive usage data will enable security functions to be
|> >>safely trimmed and made faster for most.
|> >>
|> >>Will SP1 add stability? Vista overall seems to be very stable
|> >>for most, though - again - perhaps massive usage data will
|> >>support further stability enhancements.
|> >>
|> >>What about functionality? I've seen interest in capabilities not
|> >>available from the present Vista - perhaps some will be added
|> >>once usage data suggests it's safe to do so.
|> >>
|> >>And speed? Well, my Vista installation is as fast as XP Pro, but
|> >>everyone wants more speed. I think this is a primary goal for
|> >>Microsoft, who knows that consumers want faster operation -
|> >>particularly boot and shutdown times. The only thing worse than
|> >>"slow" is "STOP!", so there are pauses throughout Vista to
|> >>permit checks and cross-checks. Experience will permit
|> >>streamlining of such precautions and I therefore expect Vista
|> >>SP1 to "take off".
|> >>
|> >>Microsoft collects massive data because most computers call
|> >>home, and MS information collectors watch discussions, monitor
|> >>corporate usage, are intimate with major software companies, and
|> >>collect information from professional repair services. With all
|> >>that since Vista was released, I'd guess that plans for SP1 are
|> >>pretty firm by now.
|> >>
|> >>What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?
|> >>
|> >>And, of course, when do you think SP1 will be released to
|> >>non-Betaphiles like me?
|> >>
|> >>Henry
|> >>
|> >>-------------------
|> >>PS
|> >>Though Microsoft bashing is an international sport, it's one of
|> >>the world's most successful companies and a monument to American
|> >>entrepreneurism and brainpower (credit goes to the Israeli
|> >>Microsoft groups for much of the latter). Such companies as
|> >>Microsoft, Boeing, Walmart, Dell, Exxon, Verizon, and GE take a
|> >>lot of heat, but I admire and respect such achievement.
|> >Thanks
|> >Juan I. Cahis
|> >Santiago de Chile (South America)
|> >Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
|> Thanks
|> Juan I. Cahis
|> Santiago de Chile (South America)
|> Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
|>
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

Tue, 24 Jul (e-mail address removed) ("Darrell Gorter[MSFT]")
Download and install the WAIK

You should be able to build a Windows Vista WinPE bootable CD\DVD from that.

That worked for me, too...
As for the registry, it is backed up everyday to the
\windows\system32\config\regback folder.

Not a great choice, if whatever eats \windows\system32\config (thus
the "live" registry) also eats \windows\system32\config\regback

In XP, I've recovered these situations by harvesting hives from System
Restore's C:\SVI via a Bart CDR boot, as outlined here...

http://cquirke.blogspot.com/search?q=registry+hive

....is a similar approach possible for Vista via WinPE boot?

Another fail-safe would be to use ERUNT, which does backup the
registry in Vista, as long as you:
- set it to run as administrator
- specify the backup location outside "\Program Files"
|> Yes, I agree with many of your sayings, but tell me, where can we get
|> the WinPE environments from the absurd "Disk Recovery CDs"? That is
|> the point, I was telling of the XP Recovery Console as an example
|> The issue is, how can you fix your Vista installation if you receive
|> the following message when booting: "Vista can not load because
|> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG\SYSTEM is corrupted"? And let suppose even
|> more, let suppose that you take a Registry backup every day, as I do
|> using ERUNT. What can you do with the "Disk Recovery CD"?

Welcome to "Dubious Advantage"; OS licenses that are legal (i.e. MS
got paid) but crippled as per big-brand OEMs.

See...

http://cquirke.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!C7DAB1E724AB8C23!336.entry

....and item #1 here:

http://cquirke.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!C7DAB1E724AB8C23!187.entry?_c=BlogPart
|> So, my plea is that Microsoft should provide us, the poor guys that
|> they allowed their OEMs to give us a "Disk Recovery CD" only instead
|> of the full bootable Vista DVD, for a tool to be able to boot in the
|> case of a Registry crash, independently if it is called WinPE, WinRE
|> or Recovery Console, and also independently if it comes on SP1 or if
|> we can download it from their site.

Yup - we deserve nothing less, and should accept nothing less.

MS once threatened to cut off an OEM's supply of Windows because the
OEM substituted "The Internet" (IE) desktop icon with a Netscape icon
instead. MS reckoned the users were entitled to the "full Windows
experience" and were being denied this if they had to run IE via the
Start menu instead of off the desktop.

Yet now they let OEMs sell fair-weather PCs that doom you to a
destructive rebuild, should they blink or fail to boot.

The OEM's "support" is then dumbed down to:
- "Run the Recovery CD"
- ' won't that wipe my system? '
- "Yup"
- ' but I don't want to do that! '
- "Well, then we can't help you <click>"
- ' <redial> '
- ' OK, I tried that, and it failed to install '
- "Is it? OK, here's an RMA, maybe the hardware's bad"
- ' couldn't you have tested that FIRST? '
- "No, that's not the way we work here."

Normally, one would say "let market forces weed out the scumbags", but
you try phoning PC shops to get straight answers on whether you get a
full, proper, custom-installable OS disk with maintenance tools...
- "Does it come with a custom-installable OS disk?"
- ' Yes, it's Genuine Windows! '
- " <loooong explanation of question> "
- ' Yes, it's Genuine Windows! '

I had one client who was thrilled that the nice Toshiba person finally
did supply her with a proper XP Pro CD with her new laptop. She only
had to pay the cost of an extra license, and yep; she now has two
licenses for the same laptop - and of course, thanks to MS's
weasel-detail, she can't use the spare on anything else.

This, in a word, is crap - when stealthing defective product becomes a
mechanism for selling extra stuff that can never be used, and thus
never incurs any extra cost to the vendor at all.
|> >There ain't no recovery console for Vista. It's as dead as Voldermort

The good news is that it's gone because it's replaced with something a
lot better; a real maintenance OS built into the DVD (ASSuming you
*get* the DVD, i.e. are not ripped off by "royalty" OEMs).

Recovery Console was a grab-bag of useful canned tricks, but it was
not an OS (it could not run any external tools).

In contrast, the WinPE that underlies the Vista DVD, along with the
WinRE functionality, IS a real maintenance OS. If you choose the
command prompt, you can run some apps from there (though the lack of
32-bit support in Vista64 DVD is a serious limitation there).

The particular tricks of Recovery Console are hidden behind a new
"ease of use" sheen, but they are there. Some clickfood:

http://blogs.msdn.com/winre/archive/2006/10/20/where-are-recovery-console-commands.aspx

http://blogs.msdn.com/winre/archive/2006/09/18/760295.aspx

It saddens me when folks attack MS for "dropping Recovery Console"
when they have at last liberated WinPE from sphincteric licensing, and
are showing sigs of "getting it" where maintenance OS goes.

Not that they don't have a way to go...

http://cquirke.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!C7DAB1E724AB8C23!344.entry

http://cquirke.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!C7DAB1E724AB8C23!345.entry

http://cquirke.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!C7DAB1E724AB8C23!341.entry

http://cquirke.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!C7DAB1E724AB8C23!343.entry

http://cquirke.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!C7DAB1E724AB8C23!342.entry

....but at least they are moving. Give 'em credit for that!
|> >now. Maybe you could load the Recovery console onto Vista using the XP
|> >CD, but having spent a lot of time with it, the RC is one of the most
|> >ineffective remedies in most peoples' hands, and even in the hands of
|> >advanced users, except for allowing you to run a chkdsk /r command
|> >outside windows.

It's a bit more useful than that; it's good for some pre-NTLDR
boot-stoppers such as MBR and PBR fixing, and rebuilding Boot.ini
(which in turn help many mis-adventures with boot managers and
dual-boot attempts that install older Windows after XP).
|> >The other dos commands are not of much use in the context of
|> >fixing Windows.

DOS commands? Recovery Console is a 32-bit canned set of tools as
driven by a CLI, is not an OS, and is certainly not DOS.

<strange off-topic ramblings snipped>

I'll leave you with a sig that typifies one problem at MS... if
something exists, there's a product group and there are excellent
tools to gather feedback, etc.

But if something does NOT exist that needs to, there's no traction...


--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
To one who has never seen a hammer,
nothing looks like a nail
 
C

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:44:56 -0400, Juan I. Cahis
Thanks a lot, Darrell, but are you sure that I will not need the Vista
DVD also to build the WAIK? Remmber that my hardware manufacturer
provided me only with the dummy "Disk Recovery CDs". That is the main
problem for all of us.

I don't think you will need it - I can't recall needing it when I
first got started with the WAIK, myself. But I could be wrong.

--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
Error Messages Are Your Friends
 
R

ray

What are you ashamed of ray...the truth? It's not like you can now start
to hide the fact that you're peddling linux in this Vista ng, or are you
now denying that fact?
Well...?
And spare me the comprehension dance...you're not that good on your feet.
Frank

Frankie I'm not denying anything except that I ever mentioned Linux in the
thread - YOU broght the subject up - READ THE TREAD!!!!!
 
F

Frank

ray said:
Frankie I'm not denying anything except that I ever mentioned Linux in the
thread - YOU broght the subject up - READ THE TREAD!!!!!

hahaha...ray...buddy...that's not the point now is it...lol.
I know the game you play here, so don't try and deny it.
Frank
 
A

Adam Albright

hahaha...ray...buddy...that's not the point now is it...lol.
I know the game you play here, so don't try and deny it.
Frank

Lets talk about the game little Frankie plays:

1. Calls everybody a liar.
2. Calls everybody a Linux troll.
3. Use to add smirk to most of his posts like the idiot he is.
4. Argues with EVERYBODY constantly.
5. Pretends he owns a business.
6. Pretends he very wealthy.
7. Pretends he has property in Southern Europe.
8. Has terrible grammar.
9. Always quick to anger.
10. He's utterly clueless on every topic he posts on.
11. Always acts like a complete jerk.
12. Willing to kiss Microsoft ass, anytime, anywhere.
13. Always builds fallacies and Strawmen.
14. Has roughly the intelligence of a head of cabbage.
15. Tends to repeat everything fifty times or more.
16. Never listens.
17. Never admits he's wrong even when proven wrong.
18. Admits it took him 6 months to understand Vista yet
enjoys badly faking he's some kind of computer expert.

The list is WAY longer, but I made my point.

Frankie, you're the COMPLETE newsgroup moron. Everything you do,
everything you say causes others to laugh their asses off day after
day.
 
F

Frank

Adam said:
Lets talk about the game little Frankie plays:

1. Calls everybody a liar.
2. Calls everybody a Linux troll.
3. Use to add smirk to most of his posts like the idiot he is.
4. Argues with EVERYBODY constantly.
5. Pretends he owns a business.
6. Pretends he very wealthy.
7. Pretends he has property in Southern Europe.
8. Has terrible grammar.
9. Always quick to anger.
10. He's utterly clueless on every topic he posts on.
11. Always acts like a complete jerk.
12. Willing to kiss Microsoft ass, anytime, anywhere.
13. Always builds fallacies and Strawmen.
14. Has roughly the intelligence of a head of cabbage.
15. Tends to repeat everything fifty times or more.
16. Never listens.
17. Never admits he's wrong even when proven wrong.
18. Admits it took him 6 months to understand Vista yet
enjoys badly faking he's some kind of computer expert.

The list is WAY longer, but I made my point.

Frankie, you're the COMPLETE newsgroup moron. Everything you do,
everything you say causes others to laugh their asses off day after
day.

You're really one little sick brained piss ante aren't you?
You take all those meds and yet you're still an ignorant piece of sh*t
loser.
You're actually jealous of me aren't you? You've not accomplished near
as much as I have in your miserable loser life and I make you feel just
how inferior to me you really are.
Live with it...you'll get over it, maybe.
You need to go back to the mental institution you've recently been
released (or escaped) from. You're possibly a danger to yourself (I
hope!) and society at large.
Go back to that mental institution where they were helping you.
It's the right thing to do.
Frank

Btw, did you ever figure out how to fix your computer?
 
F

Frank

Frank said:
You're really one little sick brained piss ante aren't you?
You take all those meds and yet you're still an ignorant piece of sh*t
loser.
You're actually jealous of me aren't you? You've not accomplished near
as much as I have in your miserable loser life and I make you feel just
how inferior to me you really are.
Live with it...you'll get over it, maybe.
You need to go back to the mental institution you've recently been
released (or escaped) from. You're possibly a danger to yourself (I
hope!) and society at large.
Go back to that mental institution where they were helping you.
It's the right thing to do.
Frank

Btw, did you ever figure out how to fix your computer?
Oh and one more thing.
We've actually got three places in Europe.
Jealous?
Frank
 

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