J
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M
Murray
<sigh>
We've been here before.
Your page has an improperly placed body tag, because this is not working -
</head>
<!--webbot bot="Include" U-Include="IncludeItems/top.htm" TAG="BODY"
startspan -->
<div align="center">
But if it were working, then this body tag further down the page would cause
more problems for you -
</div>
<!--webbot bot="Include" i-checksum="63563" endspan --><body topmargin="0"
leftmargin="0" link="#FAD734" vlink="#FAD734" alink="#00FF00" onLoad="
focus();" text="#FFFFFF" style="text-align: left"><div align=
You cannot expect us to be able to fix anything on your page as long as the
page is invalid HTML, really.
In addition, this menu system -
<script src="IncludeItems/TejanosMenu/xaramenu.js"
may be another source of problems (I don't know - I never use such
all-javascript menus). Perhaps the javascript code in the menu is a
cross-browser problem....
We've been here before.
Your page has an improperly placed body tag, because this is not working -
</head>
<!--webbot bot="Include" U-Include="IncludeItems/top.htm" TAG="BODY"
startspan -->
<div align="center">
But if it were working, then this body tag further down the page would cause
more problems for you -
</div>
<!--webbot bot="Include" i-checksum="63563" endspan --><body topmargin="0"
leftmargin="0" link="#FAD734" vlink="#FAD734" alink="#00FF00" onLoad="
focus();" text="#FFFFFF" style="text-align: left"><div align=
You cannot expect us to be able to fix anything on your page as long as the
page is invalid HTML, really.
In addition, this menu system -
<script src="IncludeItems/TejanosMenu/xaramenu.js"
may be another source of problems (I don't know - I never use such
all-javascript menus). Perhaps the javascript code in the menu is a
cross-browser problem....
R
Ronx
I use CSS to create/display the main buttons, and use CSS/DHTML to
display subpages.
The use of a dynamic web template (which I do use) is optional.
display subpages.
The use of a dynamic web template (which I do use) is optional.
T
Tom Pepper Willett
Good luck.
--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
Understanding FrontPage:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
FrontPage 2002 Server Extensions Support Center:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;fp10se
===
| Yes I did find a section under Scripting that can be disable... which
turns
| these features off.
| However, I think it affects WindowsXP that only has SP1. Once SP2 or a
| critical update is done, this should be resolved. Then again, I'm reading
| so much....I'm confused. To much, right after Easter.
|
| | > Internet Properties | Security tab | Internet Zone...and look through
the
| > options. I believe this is automatically disabled with WinXP Sp2.
| > --
| > ===
| > Tom "Pepper" Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > ---
| > About FrontPage 2003:
| > http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
| > FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
| > http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
| > Understanding FrontPage:
| > http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
| > FrontPage 2002 Server Extensions Support Center:
| > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;fp10se
| > ===
| > | > | Where are those settings at. I'm looking under Tools>Internet
| > | Options>Advance but not sure what items can make you see (or not see)
| > these
| > | JavaScript's.
| > |
| > | Unless your thinking of a firewall that stops JavaScript's from
running?
| > |
| > |
| > | | > | > Perhaps they must enable "active scripting" in the Internet Zone?
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > ===
| > | > Tom "Pepper" Willett
| > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > | > ---
| > | > About FrontPage 2003:
| > | > http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
| > | > FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
| > | > http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
| > | > Understanding FrontPage:
| > | > http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
| > | > FrontPage 2002 Server Extensions Support Center:
| > | > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;fp10se
| > | > ===
| > | > | > | > | Okay, if these menus are just JavaScript's, then why are some
people
| > | > having
| > | > | problems seeing them.
| > | > | Their browser should display them with no problems (unless
possibly
| > not
| > | > | using IE 6 but even FireFox lets you see them fine).
| > | > |
| > | > | What do most people, that can't see the menus, have to do to see
| these
| > | > | menus?
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > The menus on that site are "Javascript", not "Java." The common
| > | > | > factor between Javascript and Java is that they both have the
| > letters
| > | > | > J, a , v, and a in their name -- otherwise they are completely
| > | > | > different.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Java is a programming language with API, created by Sun
| > Microsystems.
| > | > | > It CAN be used on websites. It can also be used to provide
| complete
| > | > | > PC programs, such as SageTV, which is a fantastic home theater
PC
| > | > | > software (see my website for comments on my HTPC). Sun makes
Java
| > | > | > available for free for a number of different computer systems.
| You
| > | > | > can get it at www.java.com .
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Javascript was created by Netscape for use in web browsers.
| > Although
| > | > | > there is a standard to the language, each browser manufacturer
has
| > to
| > | > | > write their own implementation of Javascript.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Terry
| > | > | > Visit my computer tips, coffee pages, forums and more at:
| > | > | > http://www.terrystockdale.com
| > | > | >
| > | > | > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 01:26:23 GMT, " JCO" <[email protected]>
| > | > | > wrote:
| > | > | >
| > | > | > >Example is on this site... the menus
| > | > | > >http://dfwtejanos.com
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > >| > | > | > >> Do you mean Java or do you mean javascript? Can you show me
an
| > | > | example?
| > | > | > >> And I guess I don't understand what you mean with "see
| everything
| > | and
| > | > | make
| > | > | > >> use of the Java menu links"....
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >> --
| > | > | > >> Murray
| > | > | > >> ============
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >> | > | > | > >> > If your on a site that has the menus written in Java, what
is
| > the
| > | > | > >simplest
| > | > | > >> > way to allow your computer to see everything and make use
of
| > the
| > | > Java
| > | > | > >menu
| > | > | > >> > links?
| > | > | > >> >
| > | > | > >> >
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
Understanding FrontPage:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
FrontPage 2002 Server Extensions Support Center:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;fp10se
===
| Yes I did find a section under Scripting that can be disable... which
turns
| these features off.
| However, I think it affects WindowsXP that only has SP1. Once SP2 or a
| critical update is done, this should be resolved. Then again, I'm reading
| so much....I'm confused. To much, right after Easter.
|
| | > Internet Properties | Security tab | Internet Zone...and look through
the
| > options. I believe this is automatically disabled with WinXP Sp2.
| > --
| > ===
| > Tom "Pepper" Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > ---
| > About FrontPage 2003:
| > http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
| > FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
| > http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
| > Understanding FrontPage:
| > http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
| > FrontPage 2002 Server Extensions Support Center:
| > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;fp10se
| > ===
| > | > | Where are those settings at. I'm looking under Tools>Internet
| > | Options>Advance but not sure what items can make you see (or not see)
| > these
| > | JavaScript's.
| > |
| > | Unless your thinking of a firewall that stops JavaScript's from
running?
| > |
| > |
| > | | > | > Perhaps they must enable "active scripting" in the Internet Zone?
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > ===
| > | > Tom "Pepper" Willett
| > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > | > ---
| > | > About FrontPage 2003:
| > | > http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
| > | > FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
| > | > http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
| > | > Understanding FrontPage:
| > | > http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
| > | > FrontPage 2002 Server Extensions Support Center:
| > | > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;fp10se
| > | > ===
| > | > | > | > | Okay, if these menus are just JavaScript's, then why are some
people
| > | > having
| > | > | problems seeing them.
| > | > | Their browser should display them with no problems (unless
possibly
| > not
| > | > | using IE 6 but even FireFox lets you see them fine).
| > | > |
| > | > | What do most people, that can't see the menus, have to do to see
| these
| > | > | menus?
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > The menus on that site are "Javascript", not "Java." The common
| > | > | > factor between Javascript and Java is that they both have the
| > letters
| > | > | > J, a , v, and a in their name -- otherwise they are completely
| > | > | > different.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Java is a programming language with API, created by Sun
| > Microsystems.
| > | > | > It CAN be used on websites. It can also be used to provide
| complete
| > | > | > PC programs, such as SageTV, which is a fantastic home theater
PC
| > | > | > software (see my website for comments on my HTPC). Sun makes
Java
| > | > | > available for free for a number of different computer systems.
| You
| > | > | > can get it at www.java.com .
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Javascript was created by Netscape for use in web browsers.
| > Although
| > | > | > there is a standard to the language, each browser manufacturer
has
| > to
| > | > | > write their own implementation of Javascript.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Terry
| > | > | > Visit my computer tips, coffee pages, forums and more at:
| > | > | > http://www.terrystockdale.com
| > | > | >
| > | > | > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 01:26:23 GMT, " JCO" <[email protected]>
| > | > | > wrote:
| > | > | >
| > | > | > >Example is on this site... the menus
| > | > | > >http://dfwtejanos.com
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > >| > | > | > >> Do you mean Java or do you mean javascript? Can you show me
an
| > | > | example?
| > | > | > >> And I guess I don't understand what you mean with "see
| everything
| > | and
| > | > | make
| > | > | > >> use of the Java menu links"....
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >> --
| > | > | > >> Murray
| > | > | > >> ============
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >> | > | > | > >> > If your on a site that has the menus written in Java, what
is
| > the
| > | > | > >simplest
| > | > | > >> > way to allow your computer to see everything and make use
of
| > the
| > | > Java
| > | > | > >menu
| > | > | > >> > links?
| > | > | > >> >
| > | > | > >> >
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >>
| > | > | > >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
T
Thomas A. Rowe
1. Not a good idea to nest FP Includes.
2. All inks to JavaScript files should be absolute URLs, ex:
<script menumaker src="TejanosMenu/tejanosmenu.js">
change to
<script menumaker src="http://www.dfwtejanos.com/IncludeItems/TejanosMenu/tejanosmenu.js">
3. Remove ALL spaces (%20) from folder and file names.
4. Since your site is hosted on a Unix/Linux server, you should stick with all lower case folder and
file names to avoid user getting a 404. ex:
This link works:
http://www.dfwtejanos.com/Academys/AcademyMidCities/Mid Cities.htm
This link doesn't work:
http://www.dfwtejanos.com/Academys/AcademymidCities/Mid Cities.htm
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
2. All inks to JavaScript files should be absolute URLs, ex:
<script menumaker src="TejanosMenu/tejanosmenu.js">
change to
<script menumaker src="http://www.dfwtejanos.com/IncludeItems/TejanosMenu/tejanosmenu.js">
3. Remove ALL spaces (%20) from folder and file names.
4. Since your site is hosted on a Unix/Linux server, you should stick with all lower case folder and
file names to avoid user getting a 404. ex:
This link works:
http://www.dfwtejanos.com/Academys/AcademyMidCities/Mid Cities.htm
This link doesn't work:
http://www.dfwtejanos.com/Academys/AcademymidCities/Mid Cities.htm
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
T
Thomas A. Rowe
Correct.
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
W
Windsun
Here is an example of CSS only navigation. This is a test page, so not much
there but a sample menu
http://www.solar-electric.com/style/Test.html
Still tweaking it for various browsers...
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there but a sample menu
http://www.solar-electric.com/style/Test.html
Still tweaking it for various browsers...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
J
JCO
I was reading that the menus won't propagate to all pages with Includes and
Shared Boarders therefore, Dynamic ... is what it takes to get around that.
Do you just use the FrontPage stuff to create everything or is there a more
user friendly utility that can do it. As it stands now, Frontpage is not
that friendly (at least not to me) when it comes to creating menus.
Thanks
Shared Boarders therefore, Dynamic ... is what it takes to get around that.
Do you just use the FrontPage stuff to create everything or is there a more
user friendly utility that can do it. As it stands now, Frontpage is not
that friendly (at least not to me) when it comes to creating menus.
Thanks
W
Windsun
I dont use shared borders, I use a .DWT page with the menu on it. It gets
inserted into any page it is attached to.
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inserted into any page it is attached to.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
J
JCO
Yes I know we've been here before.
Browser compatibility shows no errors except that it does not like the Jimco
Spawn that is placed after the </head>. But this really doesn't seem to be
an issue.
You say /head is not working but I don't know what you mean by that. I've
done lots of cleaning since our last discussion. I will try to work thru
the rest of your comments but I don't think these have anything to do with
why some folks can't see the JavaScript Menus.
Most menus systems I see can't work on all the pages. How do you get a menu
system to be identical on all pages unless it is somehow propagated through
out the website? I'm still learning, so it made sense to me to have a top
section that is Included which is common to all pages. Taking that one step
further, it seems like the best place to put the JavaScripts so that the
Menus are on every page and identical on every page.
Sorry for your headache (that I've caused) but I will eventually work
through this. Your help is appreciated.... believe me. I'm just to green
to take advantages of all your help.
Browser compatibility shows no errors except that it does not like the Jimco
Spawn that is placed after the </head>. But this really doesn't seem to be
an issue.
You say /head is not working but I don't know what you mean by that. I've
done lots of cleaning since our last discussion. I will try to work thru
the rest of your comments but I don't think these have anything to do with
why some folks can't see the JavaScript Menus.
Most menus systems I see can't work on all the pages. How do you get a menu
system to be identical on all pages unless it is somehow propagated through
out the website? I'm still learning, so it made sense to me to have a top
section that is Included which is common to all pages. Taking that one step
further, it seems like the best place to put the JavaScripts so that the
Menus are on every page and identical on every page.
Sorry for your headache (that I've caused) but I will eventually work
through this. Your help is appreciated.... believe me. I'm just to green
to take advantages of all your help.
M
Murray
A well formed HTML page has this order of things -
<html>
<head>
"non-printing" markup goes here, like javascript function definitions, CSS
style rule declarations, meta tags, title tag, etc.
</head>
nothing belongs here
<body>
all your 'printing' markup goes here, i.e., the markup specifying everything
you see on the screen.
</body>
</html>
Your page does not have that order - it is -
<html>
<head>
</head>
HTML markup
<body>
more HTML markup
</body>
</html>
The problem is that the first bit of HTML markup below the </head> tag looks
like it should have a <body> tag supplied by some weird include line, but
that include is not working. So - as it is now, your page has a single
<body> tag that is misplaced. As a result it's invalid code. If the
include were working, your page would have two <body> tags. It would still
be invalid code. You are only allowed to have a single instance of <body>
and </body> on a given page.
Given that the page is invalid code, it's hard to diagnose any other
anomalies it might exhibit. See what I mean?
<html>
<head>
"non-printing" markup goes here, like javascript function definitions, CSS
style rule declarations, meta tags, title tag, etc.
</head>
nothing belongs here
<body>
all your 'printing' markup goes here, i.e., the markup specifying everything
you see on the screen.
</body>
</html>
Your page does not have that order - it is -
<html>
<head>
</head>
HTML markup
<body>
more HTML markup
</body>
</html>
The problem is that the first bit of HTML markup below the </head> tag looks
like it should have a <body> tag supplied by some weird include line, but
that include is not working. So - as it is now, your page has a single
<body> tag that is misplaced. As a result it's invalid code. If the
include were working, your page would have two <body> tags. It would still
be invalid code. You are only allowed to have a single instance of <body>
and </body> on a given page.
Given that the page is invalid code, it's hard to diagnose any other
anomalies it might exhibit. See what I mean?
R
Ronx
I use Dynamic Web Templates with FP2003, together with external style
sheets and external JavaScript.
See http://ww.rxs-enterprises.org
The menu is loosely based on the article at
http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=28
sheets and external JavaScript.
See http://ww.rxs-enterprises.org
The menu is loosely based on the article at
http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=28
R
Ronx
That include is a FrontPage include which, if it worked, would not
provide a <body> tag. It must come after the page's <body> tag.
provide a <body> tag. It must come after the page's <body> tag.
W
Windsun
Pretty much the same thing I do.
I use the DWT for all the non CSS type info, graphics, tags, etc., and the
CSS for layout and formatting.
That way I can easily make site wide changes very easily.
I use the DWT for all the non CSS type info, graphics, tags, etc., and the
CSS for layout and formatting.
That way I can easily make site wide changes very easily.
M
Murray
Thanks, Ron - I wasn't sure about that. I was quite sure that it was
broken, however.
broken, however.
T
Tina Clarke
JCO said:Yes I understand the MS Issues with Java but these are JavaScripts that
creates the menus. It seems that all browsers should be able to interpret
them with out an installation of Java?
We were going off what you wrote ... .see quote below.
Tina
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T
Tina Clarke
JCO said:What do you mean by a sitemap?
How can you do a quick and easy listing.
http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/site_map__using_anchor_text.htm
This should help
Tina
J
JCO
That change is easy, I can get that part fix quickly.
Still reviewing the other stuff.
Thanks
Still reviewing the other stuff.
Thanks
T
Tina Clarke
I use DWT with CSS and includes for menus as I like to show whatever pages
are in each section while not showing the whole deeper menu on EACH page ...
using includes allows more latitude and makes it easy to go to the relvevant
section to update a menu. I usually just make text menu's but I've just
started using css for rollover type 'buttons'. Very neat and eye candy.
It's never been so easy.
Tina
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are in each section while not showing the whole deeper menu on EACH page ...
using includes allows more latitude and makes it easy to go to the relvevant
section to update a menu. I usually just make text menu's but I've just
started using css for rollover type 'buttons'. Very neat and eye candy.
It's never been so easy.
Tina
--
http://accessfp.net/ - FrontPage Tutorials
http://anyfrontpage.com/ - http://frontpage-ebooks.com/
http://addonfp.com/ - FrontPage Addons
http://frontpage-tips.com/ - Weekly FrontPage Tips
http://msmvps.com/frontpage/ - FrontPage News & Articles Blog
http://frontpage-advice.blogspot.com/ - FrontPage Advice Blog
http://artdoodle.com/ - Abstract Pen and Ink Drawings
J
JCO
I removed the nested includes. What I wasn't sure is if the include should
come after the <body> tag or if it could before it (yet after the </html>)?
come after the <body> tag or if it could before it (yet after the </html>)?
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