web site submission on search engines

[Guest]

Is it worth paying a web site search engine submission compnay - how do they
get you on the search engines any quicker than the search engine spideers
themselves?
If it is worth paying a good search engine comany does anyone have any
suggestions on a good one?
regards,
JacquieCC

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

no. just do it yourself.


| Is it worth paying a web site search engine submission compnay - how do
they
| get you on the search engines any quicker than the search engine spideers
| themselves?
| If it is worth paying a good search engine comany does anyone have any
| suggestions on a good one?
| regards,
| JacquieCC

 

[Guest]

My experience is that they don't do any better than you could do yourself.
Other may have different experiences but that was mine. I would suggest you
submit to dmoz.org and google and if you wish to spend money on helping your
site get listed, SEO would be a better investment in my opinion. Be patient,
it takes time to get indexed.

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

No, just visit each search engine that you want to be listed in, and submit your site.

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[Jon Spivey]

Submitting yourself (or using a submission service) is the worst way to do
it. If appropriate upload a sitemap to Google then link to your new site
from another site that's already in Google, probably also worth submitting
to DMOZ. You'll be spidered in a few days and appear in the rankings shortly
after. Self-submitting without an incoming link will take weeks to get
spidered, if it happens atall, self-submitting when you have an incoming
link might even harm you. It certainly won't help.

 

[Mark Fitzpatrick]

Do it yourself. Don't pay to have someone do it for you as the results are
never what you expect. Keep in mind, the search engines don't have to list
you, all you are doing is suggesting that your site be included. I don't
trust Search Engine Optimization companies as I think they're selling snake
oil. There are too many people that have paid lots of good money for many
months only to have thier sites not even show up at all. Google, for
example, bases your listing on how many people link to you. The more that
link to you the more authoritative and valued site you are so your site
becomes a higher rank. If nobody links to you, your site may not even show
up in the listings no matter how you tweak your keywords. Also, you can
pretty much forget worrying about meta tags. The only search engine that
even pays a little attention to them anymore is Yahoo, and even with Yahoo
the meta tags are only a small percentage of their overall keyword
calculation for your site.

Hope this helps,
Mark Fitzpatrick
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

DMOZ is impossible to be listed in, it they have no editor for your content area, nor can you get
them to change a listing once it is listed.

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Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
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Agents Real Estate Listing Network
http://www.NReal.com
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[Guest]

Thanks everyone - you've saved me a bit of cash! I am now tryuing to think
whose website will put my link in. Any takers - my website is
www.mountain-toursltd.com - it is for an alpine mountain resort. I shall
just be patient though.

Thanbks for all your good advice - I can always depend on an honest answer
from you all,
ùregards,
JacquieCC

 

[Jon Spivey]

That's why I said might be worth submitting to DMOZ The main point is do
not submit yourself to search engines if you want to get listed, or use a
3rd party service. At best it won't help at worst it will harm.

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

If you don't submit and no one links to you then, it could be years before a search robot find your
site.

I have never seen or heard of any issues with my clients or others submitting their sites to the
major search engines.

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Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
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Agents Real Estate Listing Network
http://www.NReal.com
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[Jon Spivey]

Hi,
Look through the businesses you have listed find one that has a web site
listed in Google email them and ask for a link on the basis that you will
hopefully send them business. Ask them to link with your keywords in the
url, eg <a href="http://you.com">Your Keywords Here</a> this should get
things moving for you quite quickly. Keep an eye on your logs for a visit
from googlebot. For a site like this I'd also get a sitemap going, start
here
https://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps

You'll need to set up a free account then follow their instructions exactly.
This should help Google spider you - no guarantees though

 

[Windsun]

Nope - there are only 3-4 SE's even worth submitting to. You can do that
yourself in 10 min

 

[Jon Spivey]

If you don't submit and no one links to you then, it could be years before

a search robot find your site.

That's the point - there's no shortage of sites wanting to be listed, Google
is only looking for quality sites to list. The first sign of quality is a
site that is able to get link(s) from another site, to be frank if a site
can't get at least one link from another site it's going to seriously
struggle in Google.

I have never seen or heard of any issues with my clients or others
submitting their sites to the major search engines.

The issue would be not getting listed as quickly and being ranked lower
if/when the site is listed. SEO is very competitive these days so going
along to Google's submit form and then waiting to be listed is not much
better than turning up for the Daytona 500 in a battered old Ford.

 

[Clark]

Submitting yourself (or using a submission service) is the worst way to do

it.

I find your statement about submitting it yourself really hard to
believe.

self-submitting when you have an incoming
link might even harm you. It certainly won't help.

And this one too. Can you back these statements up with credible
references? I mean, I gotta say these sound like folklore --

 

[Jon Spivey]

Well you might be able to read between the lines on Googles help pages,
under how to add my site to Google's search results
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=34397&topic=8523
You could also think why Google has become so successful and maybe ask if
they're going to base their decisions on which sites to index based on who
fills in that submit url form, they have much more sophisticated ways to
find useful sites that add value to the web. SEO is mainly based on
experience and common sense, which is why most of the really good stuff you
won't find written anywhere. I'm not giving away any secrets with this
though.

I wouldn't want someone to read advice in this group that they should be
self-submitting to the search engines because somebody new to the business
might spend a lot of time building a good site then follow the advice to
self-submit, think that's all they need to do and end up wondering why
they're not getting traffic.

 

[Windsun]

I bet I find it harder to believe than you do. In fact, I bet I am so far on
the non-believer side that you are left in the dust.

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[Windsun]

How do you know what Google is looking for? You have some kind of inside
track?

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[Windsun]

Yup, reading between the lines is what make UFO theories so popular.

 

[Jon Spivey]

Try it for yourself, when you've submitted about 50 sites and got them well
ranked you should have a good idea of the best way to submit. Do post back
your findings then. Or you could save yourself a lot of time by reading what
Google tells you and using a bit of common sense. Or do a bit of reading and
see if you can find one serious source anywhere that suggests using the
submit url form to get a site into Google, or maybe read Matt Cutts blog.
This is so basic it's hardly even worth discussing.

 

[Clark]

Well I cant claim registering a large number of sites but I designed
my own site and submitted it myself to the few key places that I
thought mattered.

I couldnt *buy* the positioning I get on searches for phrases that I
think matter. Usually on the first page of Google, sometimes the very
first listing. Which makes me very hard to convince that submitting it
myself was a bad idea.

And, just to add to the folklore, I routinely turn down requests for
link exchanges.

Hey -- what can I say -- it works for me. Your mileage may vary ---